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PostPosted: Tue 22 Nov 2016, 08:38    Post subject:  

Hi fred !

Could not manage to open and handle conkyconfigs.tar.gz

What`s am i doing wrong ?
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PostPosted: Tue 22 Nov 2016, 08:49    Post subject:  

You mean they wouldn't extract or you can't *see* them?

Remember they've got a hidden dot extension. Wink

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Nov 2016, 08:52    Post subject:  

Thanks semme ....thats right ......those hidden dots.....
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PostPosted: Tue 22 Nov 2016, 08:54    Post subject:  

Very Happy Fooled me @ first too!
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PostPosted: Tue 22 Nov 2016, 09:08    Post subject:  

Replaced the old .conkys with the new .conkys.........

now Conky looks more the old fashioned way .

(means instead showing 120 Megabyte of Ram or so idle....it only shows 80 Megabyte Ram or so idle .)
Indeed there is some discrepancy to Htop .

But of course this is not a question of Live or Death .
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PostPosted: Wed 23 Nov 2016, 06:20    Post subject:  

Hello, Fred:)

About logging in as puppy in Yakkety - I'm actually having opposite difficultiues on Gnome:D I cannot log in as root by default (with gdm3). But I can log in only as puppy no problem. But it always was like that in gnome. Anyway I will apply your suggestions upon next week update)

And modified conky. I'll leave new conky (the one with new memory calculation methods) - It's very useful with 'ramsize=100%' (or 90%) boot option.
I think there is still some confusion going on about new memory calculation methods. Don't have time so here's short version: new methods calculates actual physical ram usage, that means software loaded by OS and TMPFS. I.e. you download 400mb file, then your ram usage bumps by 400mb, you delete file then ram usage lowers exactly by 400mb, tmpfs bar lags a bit so it will updates few sec later.
Please check attached picture. I'm using micro conky setup - white bar is RAM, blue bar is TMPFS, and XFCE task manager shows only memory used by software (akin top).
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PostPosted: Wed 23 Nov 2016, 06:59    Post subject:  

Hi !Flying Cat.

Quote:
I think there is still some confusion going on about new memory calculation methods. Don't have time so here's short version: new methods calculates actual phisical ram usage, that means software loaded by OS and TMPFS. I.e. you download 400mb file, then your ram usage bumps by 400mb, you delete file then ram usage lowers exactly by 400mb, tmpfs bar lags a bit so it will updates few sec later.


This way new Htop does also work ...........brings some light into this confusing Topic .....
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PostPosted: Wed 23 Nov 2016, 08:54    Post subject:  

Oh, so 'xserver-xorg-legacy' is only for blue (custom kenel) version, I see)
Was in a bit of a confusion - indeed blue as it stands now will not log in as puppy, red works np. Still concerned about blue update, since 'udev error' should pop out. Which is fixable by upgrading kernel, but upgrading kernel might break system boot on some hardware...
Probably lock 'udev' from upgrading:D
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PostPosted: Wed 23 Nov 2016, 14:14    Post subject:  

The Flying Cat wrote:
new methods calculates actual physical ram usage, that means software loaded by OS and TMPFS. I.e. you download 400mb file, then your ram usage bumps by 400mb, you delete file then ram usage lowers exactly by 400mb, tmpfs bar lags a bit so it will updates few sec later


Well... what the... ,why didn't I realize before it's like that (banging my head...%$#) Thanks! Smile

From what I just tested this goes only when using the porteus-boot EXIT: option, wihout it there is still a difference between the htop and top/free memory display, but not that crazy much as it can grow when booted with the EXIT: option.(changes in tmpfs)
(installing software, downloading stuff, firefox cache etc. all increase the memory amount displayed!!)

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Oh, so 'xserver-xorg-legacy' is only for blue (custom kenel) version, I see)


Yes, I guess so , tried only the blue.
The problem is on newer systems like Yaketty and also Debian Stretch/Sid when trying to login from console and using startx (permission denied), installing a login manager probably will solve it also (slim will let you login as root btw).
The fix I found works, but there might be also other solution I don't know of.

EDIT: a fix for the udev error might be reinstalling initramfs-tools:
Code:
apt-get install initramfs-tools --reinstall

I must admit I can't exactly explain why and what caused the udev problem, it has to do with some conflict between the (older) casper package from custom repository (older one because of compatibility with aufs) and initramfs-tools.
Maybe it needs included in the upgrade-kernel script that it removes the casper package at the end, not sure yet.

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PostPosted: Sat 26 Nov 2016, 07:38    Post subject:  

Bugfix for "upgrade-kernel" package: new version 1.0.1 (see also above post)
Changes:
- bugfix 2016-11-25 make backup of /usr/sbin/update-initramfs (and restore later) instead previously create symlink to /usr/share/casper/casper-update-initramfs
- and improved checking for to which kernel version just upgraded

Previous version (1.0.0) can break the dpkg database for Xenialdog or Yakketydog, if that already happened (if you get error when installing or upgrading packages), it can be fixed by:
Code:
apt-get install initramfs-tools --reinstall


Install with synaptic or from terminal:
Code:
apt-get update
apt-get install upgrade-kernel # installs new v1.0.1


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PostPosted: Wed 30 Nov 2016, 08:26    Post subject:  

Yakkety updated! click flag on bottom to change language.
https://yadi.sk/d/VrfwGIPozqFfU 301,6MB

Proper changelog:) Previous version here http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=931369#931369
bugfixes
- imported old /etc/mke2fs.conf # fixes gparted issues http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=932680#932680
- rox-pinboard background http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=931577#931577
improvements
- 'software & updates' removed
- compton config (blur disabled) - panel blur can be enabled in /root/.config/compton.conf line 124 'blur-background = false;' set to 'true'
- added read/write indicators to conky
- added ".conky-notmpfs.tar.gz" as an alternative
- UI changes/fixes here and there
new
- lxtask
- font symbola - emoji, various symbols (1.5mb)
- dxtn library - kinda sorta required for pretty much everything open gl, mesa related but not listed as dependancy (<0.5m)
- testdisk + launcher - undelete and bootfixer (~1mb)
- scrot swapped with gnome-screenshot (however menus still linked to scrot)
- everything upgraded

All UI changes are not reflected to 'puppy' user/folder this is by design (used as backup) for now, if you want same changes applied to puppy then copy under root content of root folder to /home/puppy folder.

How to disable compton: press blue gear (compton toggle) on the panel, then remove 'comton' script from 'Startup' folder.

Red specific:
- 4.8.0-28 kernel
- 'upgrade kernel' script for frugal installs - installs new kernel if there is any
- xfce4 panel and whiskers menu - 'win' binded to whiskers menu, yes you can press 'win' then type 'syn' and hit enter to open synaptic:) you also can drag-n-drop launchers from whiskers menu to panel. Shutdown buttons hidden on a small panel in bottom right corner - hover mouse to that corner to pop them out)
- gvfs-backends (40mb, 10mb compressed) - gives access to (smart)phones, cameras, tablet devices "This package contains the afc, afp, archive, cdda, dav, dnssd, ftp, gphoto2, http, mtp, network, sftp, smb and smb-browse backends." This package also goes as dependancy for most DE) mate for example

After booting up it uses ~150mb of memory with compton on and ~140 with compton off.
systemd-analyze blame: (top 4 startup slowdowns)
5.786s frisbee.service
3.638s dev-sdb2.device
3.475s dev-loop0.device
2.678s loadcpufreq.service
systemd-analyze time: Startup finished in 6.260s (kernel) + 10.022s (userspace) = 16.283s
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PostPosted: Fri 02 Dec 2016, 06:31    Post subject:  

blue https://yadi.sk/d/nnrEpXiSzytqG 286,4MB

changelog identical to red with following blue specific stuff:
- kernel 4.7.0-8.1-liquorix - due to odd bug in 4.8 kernel leading to super slow boot on some hardware, custom 4.7 kernel was used
- installed 'xserver-xorg-legacy' http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=933158#933158 - this allows to log in as puppy on a custom kernels

After booting up it uses ~110mb of memory with compton on and ~100 with compton off.
systemd-analyze blame: (top 4 startup slowdowns)
5.584s frisbee.service
2.002s dev-sda2.device
2.001s dev-loop0.device
1.375s alsa-restore.service
systemd-analyze time: Startup finished in 5.422s (kernel) + 8.391s (userspace) = 13.814s
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PostPosted: Sat 03 Dec 2016, 14:30    Post subject:  

Thanks Flying Cat !

The Red version still has for me the extreme long boot time (due to kernel 4.8 and my (old) hardware, of course)
Hopefully they fix that for the LTS 4.9 kernel.

Added Edit on the first post with links to your last posts.

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Dec 2016, 02:59    Post subject:  

Want to share my GNOME experiences)

This is not absolute minimal GNOME install but it is somewhat smaller than gnome-core. There is a huge command line in the file. I think you can trim it to be even smaller. This pulls about ~400mb.

It does not installs Evolution so you can't sync GNOME with your Google account (supported mail, calendar, contacts and gooogle drive - kinda sorta like Android). You can install it manually if interested:)

Oh, forgot: use "exec gnome-session" to start gnome:) And attaching screenshots. I'm aware that there may be issues with pulseaudio - it's fixable - and custom menu extension (like for wmpoweroff and wmreboot commands) - also no problem. No time to write faq lol

PS. If your hardware pulls off GNOME recommend also try KDE! Very pretty and flexible desktop)

PPS. there are only one "close" button on windows DansGame! Go to Tweak Tool section "Windows" PogChamp
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PostPosted: Sat 24 Dec 2016, 01:18    Post subject: photivo for Xenial dog  

photivo for Xenial dog. Does any XenialDog user tried photivo yet ? i would need some help because app is all english spoken.
"First you need to install all the needed tools for the build environment and the development packages for the libraries that Photivo uses. Please use reasonably new packages. My tests are always on a current Ubuntu system. The package names below are ubuntu-style but should be the same or very similar for other distributions. You need to install the following tools: " that is for linux experts to compile. Did anybody compile photivo for Puppy or Xenialdog ?
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