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PostPosted: Sat 03 Dec 2016, 08:52    Post subject:  

It's an option which Windows users don't NEED
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Billtoo


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PostPosted: Sat 03 Dec 2016, 09:36    Post subject:  

belham2 wrote:
Billtoo wrote:


My main OS is Gecko-Linux Rolling, I checked the package manager for
Enlightenment and installed it on my laptop:



Hi Bill,

Sorry to bug you again...was wondering if I could ask a question about Gecko-rolling (since it is based on OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, which I use as one of my main, big distros) and SSDs. Have you installed Gecko-Rolling on any SSD? If so, can I ask if you've done or do anything special in prepping the SSD (assuming it is full install or a big partition install)?

I bought a new SSD, and am trying to read about how Linux handles SSDs and that each distro might be need to set up differently to optimize and maintain the SSD. From reading, I found that Ubuntu and Linux Mint changed their distro (kernels) to install and set up fstrim to run once a week, which is vital for SSD health. But other Linux distributions, including Debian and Fedora, do not. The user has to set everything (script included) up manually in order for "fstrim" to run.

What did you do for OpenSUSE (I see in your specs listed, when you test distros, you usually always mention it is on a SSD)? I read this from OpenSUSE: https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:SSD_discard_(trim)_support , but as is sometimes typical from OpenSUSE explanations, you can't make heads or tails sense (as a user) what you're actually supposed to do.

Thanks for any help/tips/suggestions


Hi,

I have Gecko on one SSD (128GB Verbatim USB-3.0) but I wasn't aware
that any special maintenance was required to keep the SSD healthy.
I didn't use that particular install much and am now running Gecko
Gnome from the hard drive.

There may be a setting in Yast that deals with it but the openSuse
forum would be the place to find out more about installing to an SSD I guess.
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PostPosted: Sun 04 Dec 2016, 11:49    Post subject:  

Easy to do manually

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/: 3.7 GiB (3928014848 bytes) trimmed
# fstrim -v /home
/home: 24.2 GiB (25944813568 bytes) trimmed
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Billtoo


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PostPosted: Sun 04 Dec 2016, 13:15    Post subject: Other Distros  

I found this link that talks about SSD's in openSuse:

https://lizards.opensuse.org/2015/02/06/ssd-configuration-for-opensuse/
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PostPosted: Sun 04 Dec 2016, 13:17    Post subject: Here's the Deepin DE Environment on latest Debian Testing  

Ok, one, two, three HAILS for Sparky Linux! This distro (based on Debian Testing) is carving out a niche, quickly, and justifiably. They're from Poland, and they use Debian Testing as the base, and then give you the choice of an incredible array of desktop environments to put on top. All from inside their graphical CLI (sounds counterintuitive, I know, but try it, it is awesome and simple) after you download a minimal install (basically the Debian Testing Minimal ISO (~480MB). So, after getting the Minimal ISO installed, fired up the "Sparky-Installer", and easily went thru the paces setting up the Deepin Desktop environment. And I can confirm (as you are hearing from the Youtube videos popping up about it---and also what I mentioned a few msgs ago in this thread)....the Deepin DE has to be contending for not only the desktop envirnoment of the year, but also the future. It is simple, yet powerful, fast, and it is drop-dead gorgeous. The Deepin team (In China) has done an incredible job (it is the fastest growing DE in Asia right now, and spreading).

Below are some pictures of Deepin on this Sparky Debian Testing. I hope the pics can do this DE some justice. From the little things like holding your mouse over the sound icon in the taskbar and just scrolling the wheel to either raise or lower the sound (genius, right?), to the simple, tight elegance of their full on dark theme & icons (this theme even wraps up Firefox and Thunderbird, something other Linux themes struggle with and force you download add-on dark themes for those). Also, look at that beautiful, transparent launcher (just click the purple rocket in the left taskbar, and their is everything to launch in your system). Also, look at the system settings, to the right, just click the settings icon on the middle-right of the taskbar, and look at that simple full-side right hand pop up that has every setting for the system. Overall, just tightness, simpleness, and beauty.

Short end of the stick here? You're doing yourself, if you are a Linux luver, a disservice if you are not giving the Deepin DE a try. It is, with Enlightement and Moksha DEs, the future of DE Linux environments. In fact, it is arguably the one everyone is aspiring to be right now.
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Dec 2016, 17:55    Post subject:  

I'm always (OK, usually) willing to admit when I've been wrong about something as I don't believe you can learn any other way. Anyway, I have to eat humble pie now.

One of my favourite distros in the past was the "full" version of OpenSUSE; Li-f-e (Linux For Education). It's a big download but it contains pretty much all the software I need and use on a regular basis, and all the multimedia codecs as well (which even Mint no longer has now, apparently).

I've now installed the latest version, 42.1.1, and done a full update overnight (about 1.8 GB of downloads) and I can't see any problems at all with bootup or anything else, despite the fact it runs on systemd. Lesson learned.

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Billtoo


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PostPosted: Sun 11 Dec 2016, 21:54    Post subject: Other Distros  

Gecko-Linux Rolling installed to the hard drive of my Macmini:

bill@Macmini:~> inxi -bw
System: Host: Macmini Kernel: 4.8.13-1-default x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3
Distro: openSUSE Tumbleweed
Machine: Device: laptop System: Apple product: Macmini6 1 v: 1.0
Mobo: Apple model: Mac-031AEE4D24BFF0B1 v: Macmini6 1
UEFI: Apple v: MM61.88Z.0106.B03.1211161202 date: 11/16/2012
CPU: Dual core Intel Core i5-3210M (-HT-MCP-) speed/max: 1200/2501 MHz
Graphics: Card: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller
Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 drivers: intel (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev)
Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ivybridge Mobile GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 13.0.2
Network: Card-1: Broadcom Limited NetXtreme BCM57766 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe driver: tg3
Card-2: Broadcom Limited BCM4331 802.11a/b/g/n driver: wl
Drives: HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (4.4% used)
Weather: Conditions: 28 F (-2 C) - light snow Time: December 11, 5:53 PM EST
Info: Processes: 207 Uptime: 1:14 Memory: 517.8/15953.0MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.5
bill@Macmini:~> free
total used free shared buff/cache available
Mem: 16335876 450488 14193360 68196 1692028 15535800
Swap: 2104316 0 2104316
bill@Macmini:~>

Computer is connected to a 32" TV by HDMI cable.
It is working well.
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PostPosted: Fri 16 Dec 2016, 16:58    Post subject:  

I had a brief play with the just-released MX Linux 16;

https://distrowatch.com/?newsid=09669

https://mxlinux.org/

Really, really impressive. If anyone is interested in a systemd-free (uses SysVInit) stable Debian Jesse with an extremely well fleshed-out and complete Xfce desktop (which can be a biotch to arrive at with Debian, IMHO) - including a number of very neat and useful Anti-X/MX applications/modules, and it's own additional repo with a GUI app specifically for it - I'd heartily recommend giving this distro a good spin!! If only I had a spare HD to install to... I'd really like to run with this one for a good long while. Thumbs way up! Smile

This distro's popularity appears to be increasing, and I can see why. Heck, even Dedoimedo might like this one! Laughing

Bob
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PostPosted: Fri 16 Dec 2016, 21:00    Post subject:  

Moat wrote:
I had a brief play with the just-released MX Linux 16;

https://distrowatch.com/?newsid=09669

https://mxlinux.org/

Really, really impressive. If anyone is interested in a systemd-free (uses SysVInit) stable Debian Jesse with an extremely well fleshed-out and complete Xfce desktop (which can be a biotch to arrive at with Debian, IMHO) - including a number of very neat and useful Anti-X/MX applications/modules, and it's own additional repo with a GUI app specifically for it - I'd heartily recommend giving this distro a good spin!! If only I had a spare HD to install to... I'd really like to run with this one for a good long while. Thumbs way up! Smile

This distro's popularity appears to be increasing, and I can see why. Heck, even Dedoimedo might like this one! Laughing

Bob


Good review Moat. It's a fair bet that Dedo likes MX, since he recently interviewed its developers;

http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/interview-mx-team.html

In other news, I've just installed Mint 18.1 Cinnamon (which has just come out) and it's working well with no problems so far. The only slight letdown for me is that I miss the old default Mint wallpaper, with the 3-D letters and numbers casting shadows on a grey background. They've stopped producing (or at least including) it for some reason.

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PostPosted: Fri 16 Dec 2016, 22:26    Post subject:  

Colonel Panic wrote:
It's a fair bet that Dedo likes MX, since he recently interviewed its developers;

http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/interview-mx-team.html


Ha - whaddya' know... Smile Another feature of MX-16 I'd like to explore are the remastering and USB tools - looks as if one could create a USB with persistence using 'em.

Mint is great, probably the most polished, complete Linux distro OOTB that exists today. I've had tremendous luck and stability with two regular Mint Mate installs (one going on 2-1/2 years). I'm sure you can find that favorite wallpaper set... actually, it's likely they're even in Quiana/Rebecca's repo(s)... I'd guess - install Synaptic, update the package lists, and search on, say, "Rebecca artwork" - might find 'em...

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PostPosted: Sat 17 Dec 2016, 06:25    Post subject:  

Moat wrote:
Colonel Panic wrote:
It's a fair bet that Dedo likes MX, since he recently interviewed its developers;

http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/interview-mx-team.html


Ha - whaddya' know... Smile Another feature of MX-16 I'd like to explore are the remastering and USB tools - looks as if one could create a USB with persistence using 'em.

Mint is great, probably the most polished, complete Linux distro OOTB that exists today. I've had tremendous luck and stability with two regular Mint Mate installs (one going on 2-1/2 years). I'm sure you can find that favorite wallpaper set... actually, it's likely they're even in Quiana/Rebecca's repo(s)... I'd guess - install Synaptic, update the package lists, and search on, say, "Rebecca artwork" - might find 'em...

Bob



Moat,

If you get the 'USB with persistence' thing figured out on MX, please let us know. I have a fond spot for MX when I first tried it about ~2yrs ago, and saw how nicely it was laid out (also I've always had and still do a current AntiX cd for running off of the Cd).

As far as Mint, is there any of us that hasn't tried it and/or still have it on one of our HDs' partitions? I do. Mint just keeps getting better and better and better, and they slowly but surely have left Ubuntu & Unity behind. Everything just works, and they include everything in the distro plus the kitchen sink. Problem is, coming from the puppy world, I like to get my hands dirty sometimes, and there's nothing ever to do in Mint (actually, it is because you really can't customize Mint like you can most any other linux distro). But Mint, especially Sarah, sure has been stable for me, almost...dare I say...as stable as my trusty CentOS 7.




P.S. Any of you run Manjaro XFCE? I've been using it for ~3 weeks now on one machine and I am quite impressed how far along they've come. There's still some of the usual Manjaro problems (like their infernal bootloader never playing nice if any other Linux distro bootloader takes over, and their still quirkiness with the package managers & updating), but overall, Manjaro has done far more than any other distro---outside of Antergos----I can see to bring Arch to the masses or to those who no longer want to fool around going thru the lengthy steps to set up a full arch install. I'm too old anymore...lol.....to find the beauty in self-flagellation when setting up either a full Arch (and/or also Gentoo) install. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat 17 Dec 2016, 13:39    Post subject:  

Colonel Panic wrote:
I miss the old default Mint wallpaper, with the 3-D letters and numbers casting shadows on a grey background.


Oh, wait, d'oh - I see your old favorite wallpaper includes the release number in the artwork. Bummer, then. Unless you make/modify one yourself! Wink

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PostPosted: Sat 17 Dec 2016, 13:43    Post subject:  

belham2 wrote:
If you get the 'USB with persistence' thing figured out on MX, please let us know.


Will do. A short fit of researching it last night gave me the impression that it can only be done from a full install of MX to a hard drive. So... must find myself a spare hard drive...!

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PostPosted: Sat 17 Dec 2016, 20:36    Post subject:  

Moat wrote:
belham2 wrote:
If you get the 'USB with persistence' thing figured out on MX, please let us know.


Will do. A short fit of researching it last night gave me the impression that it can only be done from a full install of MX to a hard drive. So... must find myself a spare hard drive...!

Bob


Wrong. Run it live not installed.
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PostPosted: Sat 17 Dec 2016, 21:09    Post subject:  

Ahh - good news... I'll dig further. Thanks, anticapitalista - and congrats on a great release!

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