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Quirky Xerus 8.3 for x86_64, released July 29, 2017
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TeX Dog

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PostPosted: Tue 27 Dec 2016, 23:45    Post subject:  

Never found the wood polish, but had time to attempt to install linux EFI boot into Win!0, not happening??? took away esp (???) and boot flags and it still <but with more spinning blobs of white dots, now> refuses to boot linux EFI when I know this worked when it was still win8 Mad
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Sage

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PostPosted: Wed 28 Dec 2016, 03:57    Post subject:  

Afraid our archaeologist colleague and others are missing the point - both barrels, both feet. Regular folk ain't gonna jiggle with broken offerings, even if they understand the jargon.
Too many other more essential calls in this frenetic life.
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mavrothal


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PostPosted: Wed 28 Dec 2016, 06:03    Post subject:  

Took a fast look on 8.1.5 iso
As mentioned it fails. I believe that this is because the kernel does not have AUFS, so the mounting of the layered filesystem fails and there is nothing to switch_root to.
I guess the kernel has overlayfs now, but the mount call in the init still has aufs.

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prehistoric


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PostPosted: Wed 28 Dec 2016, 08:27    Post subject:  

@mavrothal,

Can that explain why the ISO fails, but installations to flash drives derived from the ISO file work? At this point I am confused. Confused

If true this would narrow the search for a fix considerably.
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prehistoric


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PostPosted: Wed 28 Dec 2016, 08:46    Post subject:  

@Tex Dog,

The scripts only work on Linux systems, and not all of them. We have determined that they work under Fatdog 710 with those added efi files, and under Quirky Werewolf 7.4, which already has them built in.

I have no idea what you are doing with W10.

@Sage,

This was obviously a release candidate rather than a true release. We are trying to fix this without waiting for BarryK, a limited commodity who is concentrating on ARM versions these days.

We now have two working ways to install this to flash drives, so I don't believe the system itself is broken, just one means of setting it up. Until we have the fix for the ISO file, we just need to warn people against using it.
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Wed 28 Dec 2016, 08:54    Post subject:  

Oh dear. I didn't test the ISO, just assumed it would work.

I have removed the ISO from Ibiblio, the alternatives are still there.

Probably the easiest way to install is with the *.img.xz file, just "dd" it to a flash stick. Instructions are online.

Yeah, once you get it going, it seems to be working very well.

Right now, have limited time to work on it. I am working on a Slackware-based Quirky, following that line of thought right now.

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mavrothal


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PostPosted: Wed 28 Dec 2016, 08:58    Post subject:  

prehistoric wrote:
@mavrothal,

Can that explain why the ISO fails, but installations to flash drives derived from the ISO file work? At this point I am confused. Confused

If true this would narrow the search for a fix considerably.


I 'm not sure how you install in a flash drive, but if you install in a flash by extracting and copying the q.sfs then is should work because you do not use the initrd.q/init anymore (is like a full install). If you just dd the ISO to a flash than should also fail because you go again through the initrd.q.
But I would give it a couple of days, I'm sure that BK will issue a new ISO soon with corrected init or kernel Wink
(ooops see above Very Happy )

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PostPosted: Wed 28 Dec 2016, 09:44    Post subject:  

@mavrothal,

I've confirmed your analysis by trying to reproduce the success reported above by dangerfirebob. I was able to use the universal installer in Quirky Werewolf 7.4 to install from the Xerus 8.1.5 ISO. My problem was that this approach got as far as the Quirky boot screen, but failed to find the vmlinuz kernel file.

Adding the kernel file from the ISO works, I'm using it now. Also confirmed that including the initrd.q causes failure. There is, of course, no need for the q.sfs file if the partition containing the same information is directly mounted.

I think this isolates the problem pretty clearly.

@BarryK, this is not an emergency. You've already taken action to stop use of the defective ISO. Those who want to experiment have means to use the system with the alternative setup.
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PostPosted: Wed 28 Dec 2016, 10:02    Post subject:  

Quote:
...obviously a release candidate...

Yes, of course. Such minimal skills as I possess are limited to testing and reporting. Testing is difficult for a distro that doesn't boot! This Forum attracts a majority of IT professionals, maybe a handful of advanced hobbyists and a lot of hangers-on like me who are keen to see the technology out in the field, although HW is my speciality. I read all the detailed coding discussion, but not sure what most of it means. I also follow instructions very well if they are detailed - most are not. Since HW is what I understand, I can report that the world is still running a vast number of 32bit machines with slow encroachment of 64bit ones. Non-specialist cannot be persuaded to move to newer kit if their present stuff is working! And, whether experts on this Forum like it or not, most of the great unwashed run with a CD/DVD drive available. Notwithstanding, many abandoned a laptop because someone in the family dropped it, stepped on it, grasped it across the screen, snapped the lid/hinge(s) and certainly aren't going to pay half as much as it's worth for a new screen and half as much again to have it fitted. Others have decamped to cheap Android tablets. Where are they going to archive their precious family photos? The 'cloud'? That is a by-word for someone else's server, just as likely to fail, or the company go bust. CD/DVD s might last 100yrs, but the jury's out on flash memory. HD s are old technology, but SSD s are hardly flavour of the month with strim and other issues abounding.

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Those who want to experiment have means to use the system with the alternative setup.
- ain't gonna happen!
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PostPosted: Wed 28 Dec 2016, 11:11    Post subject:  

Hi Sage,

I have an older Acer Chomebook (3years I think) that I use quite a
lot.
It has an ethernet port and a 300+ GB hard drive, the newer Chromebooks
don't have ethernet ports or internal hard drives (they have 16 or 32
GB ssd).
Like any laptop they aren't droppable but if looked after they work
well.
I was given a bluetooth speaker this xmas and it works great with this
chromebook, much better than headphones or ear buds.

Anyhow, I love my Chromebook Smile
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Sage

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PostPosted: Wed 28 Dec 2016, 12:09    Post subject:  

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=924021#924021
Yes, Chromebooks are interesting because they can be cheap! Doubtless you are aware of the above thread. I reckon there's a good future for hardware & SW conversions of that sort of kit. Only catch is avoiding the add-on costs if one needs to plug-in HW from previous incarnations or proprietary stuff. [Was caught out recently by a unit with a USB -C 3.1. Wasn't advertised as Apple. Genuine converter to regular USB was listed, by Apple, at ~fifty quid! ] Stories of folks spending fortunes on eg interseries connectors/ADC boards/&co for RPi s.
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PostPosted: Wed 28 Dec 2016, 12:54    Post subject:  

@Sage,

Hey! I'm the one claiming to be prehistoric. Even I use flash drives.

As for problems with SSDs, I built a system with a 64 GB SSD some years ago. I wasn't sure how long it would last, but I set it up as a cache for the hard drive, so it is read-mostly. User files constantly being modified generally go to the hard drive. I recently replaced that hard drive, but that SSD keeps on ticking.

The owner was wondering about getting a replacement for something this old, but I have 120 GB and 240 GB SSDs standing by. No need to pay more for obsolete components.

I have yet to hear a complaint from anyone whose laptop drive I've replaced with an SSD.

You need to compare new problems with older alternatives.
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dangerfirebob


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PostPosted: Wed 28 Dec 2016, 17:03    Post subject:  

Ah, sorry prehistoric I was not clear enough about the process I used to get to Xerus 8.1.5

prehistoric wrote:


I've confirmed your analysis by trying to reproduce the success reported above by dangerfirebob. I was able to use the universal installer in Quirky Werewolf 7.4 to install from the Xerus 8.1.5 ISO. My problem was that this approach got as far as the Quirky boot screen, but failed to find the vmlinuz kernel file.

I went from Quirky Werewolf 7.4 to Xerus 8.0. and then used puppy package manger to upgrade to Xerus 8.1.5 Smile a quirky experience.

Limited success truly because now the touchpad on my HP mini does not work and I have to use a usb mouse due to a missing synaptic driver dependency that seems impossible to install: xorg-input-abi-22

I will keep using this distro for a while, it seems really good all round and the HP mini touchpad is not anything special anyway + I was getting a lot of usb power failings with Xerus 8.0 probably a hardware fault, time will tell.
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PostPosted: Thu 29 Dec 2016, 14:19    Post subject:  

@dangerfirebob,

Thanks to a misunderstanding we now have a third way to install Quirky Xerus 8.1.5.

I interpreted your post to mean you used Quirky Werewolf to install to a flash drive using the ISO image for Xerus 8.1.5, even though that was defective.

I then looked at the result, and decided the main problem was a missing vmlinuz file, which I added. Do not add the initrd.q file. This is not necessary if it is directly mounting the partition with the filesystem, and contains an error.

I've just tested the resulting flash drive installation on another machine which just happens to be an HP Elitebook 6930p.

The mini-touchpad works fine on this, and is reported as a Synaptics Touchpad by hwinfo.
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PostPosted: Thu 29 Dec 2016, 16:55    Post subject: vlc player not working after upgrade  

@prehistoric

I'm glad you got it working, I just reinstalled Quirky Xerus 8.0 after discovering that the Vlc player was not working and Xine wouldn't install codecs properly. As far as I can see my Xerus 8.1.5 was fatally corrupted.

With the Xerus 8.0 installation I had to manually add the vmlinuz file too, I also added the q.sfs file for luck, not sure whats in there! programs maybe.

The service pack upgrade to Xerus 8.1.5 is strange, there is a long wait time for it to complete, maybe I didn't wait long enough, I ended up with a lot of missing stuff. I'm not going to use that recommended upgrade again after my experience. Sounds like a fresh installation from the iso is better.

Quirky Xerus 8.0 with the Xine media player working fine again on this little HP mini.
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