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musher0


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PostPosted: Sun 05 Mar 2017, 00:28    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
musher0 wrote:
@all:

Given ttuuxxx's refusal above, who's with me to achieve the goal of
developing this Dpup Stretch-7 co-operatively?

Even a tandem will be ok, but given the expected scope of the task it
would be better if there were 3 or 4 of us.

One of these people should be the project leader (coordinator). A good
communicator with organization skills, not necessarily a "dev" per se. If
such a person comes by, I'll pass the hand, I'm not in it for the glory.
And to be frank, I prefer being a "field man" ("homme de terrain").

Let's remember Puppy has popularity positions to regain at DW and in the
Linux world generally. One way to get there is of course the search for
the highest quality.

A reply by PM would be appreciated -- for the time being, for privacy and
confidentiality. If and when we have a team, the project should have its
own thread.

If you have no interest in or no skills for this project, do you think you
could nevertheless spread the word?

Thanks in advance.

In co-operation,

I'm pretty much doing that now ,lol As for quality that's my middle name Smile How did you guess? lol
ttuuxxx

Hey ttuxxx.

A difference in approach does NOT make enemies. I have my philosophy
and you have yours. That's fine. I hope you won't take it personally and
that we can still talk to each other once this co-op project gets off the
ground!

Rule #1 of co-operation: don't force anyone to join. You opted yourself
out and that's your privilege.

On the subject of quality, I'm not saying your work leaves to be desired.

I'm just saying: I wish to develop this distro in co-operation. I hope to
find team mates and see what happens.

I have been with Puppy eight years, and I've seen too many oversights
because it was strictly individual work. There's LOTS and lots of talent
here, except you cannot be the doer and the critic in the same person,
that's human nature.

We do have a form of unconscious co-operation on this board, but it's
always out of sync. Someone does something, and then a day, a week,
or a month later, somebody else finds an oversight, an error in code, an
ugly design, or a needed improvement.

I believe we can improve that by working another way: as a team,
preferably small, in sync and aware of what each other is doing -- to not
overlap with or worse double what that other person is doing. Aside from
quality, that should also gain us a lot of time (this sentence is a
"Frenchism" but I'm sure you're getting my meaning).

Future may prove me wrong -- or right. But we'll never know if this
solution is any good is no one is calling for structured co-operation.

I happen to be this "caller". Smile

BFN.

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Mar 2017, 02:19    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:

I happen to be this "caller". Smile

BFN.

Hey its not like I'm going anywhere Smile
I'm just saying I'm not wasting my time with woof ce, i'll use it for the base but after that I need to start building an iso and I'm wasting a lot of time where I could be producing something and tweaking it. This week I'll be very busy working basically two full-time jobs, I hope my foot doesn't play up, its never healed right since my accident the cold weather does a number to it, Should of stayed in Australia Smile, but my Aussie wife wanted to move to Canada and she loves the weather, go figure a Canadian's dream is to live in the tropics and a Aussie's dream is to live in the snow. Typical cat and dog marriage, lol
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PostPosted: Sun 05 Mar 2017, 05:32    Post subject:  

Since you built evince / epdf, I think we should remove ghostview.desktop
and corresponding files. It's too old and the exec is missing anyway.

Perhaps replace it with a complement in the form of jpdfbookmarks:
http://flavianopetrocchi.blogspot.ca

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Mar 2017, 08:45    Post subject:  

I just checked this board this morning, and now I feel like an idiot. if it walks like a duck, talks like I duck, sounds like a duck, then I was a duck last evening Embarassed

Musher I owe you a big apology.....I was trying to be funny last night, to lighten the mood here (and my frustrations), and thus that is why I wrote what I did. I even used the goofy word "bromance", like they do in politics or movies when they say two friends are fond of each other. I keep forgetting that language and cultural differences exist and this may not translate well....argh, I need to smack my forehead with a brick whenever I think to do this.

Still, thanks for trying, it was just a simple first stab, with a ton of errors are being fixed thanks to ttuuxxx, oscar, you, billtoo, sailor, phil, peebee, micko, fred, mistfire, and many others. Basically I, without shame, rob & steal all of your guys ideas & uploads from this thread and many other threads & projects on murga. Then I try to drop them into this dpup-stretch test ISO build that I did.

Some stuff works, others I can't get to. And whenever there is a .pet, I try to convert it into a .deb file, then include it into the woof-CE build files that I have on the hard drive I use for dpup-stretch woof-CE building.

But I have to say, woof-CE is maddening for me, because I don't understand how to do this properly yet. It is usually luck when I get one of the .deb files seen & built into a new ISO build. I am tempted to just stop using woof-CE altogether (since it already did a basic build) and just keep re-mastering and/or editing the main SFS that the woof-CE process did for the 1st dpup-stretch build & ISO it produced.

I gotta be honest, with woof-CE, more than half the time, I am just stumbling blindly thru their process because woof-CE confuses the heck out of me in why it will see some .debs, but not others, despite the .debs being entered into the pkg-build-list (of .debs) identically in format.

So, yeah, boy, after getitng the 1st base woof-CE dpup-stretch build, sometimes re-mastering and/or just editing the main SFS is a lot more appealing (and understandable) than knowing I am going to struggle giving another go aorund with the woof-CE process. I just wish there was documentation somewhere to tell me how to correctly, after I convert .pets into .deb files, enter these in the correct line format into the pkg-build-list used for dpup-stretch. That's 80-90% of my battle with woof-CE, and a huge time waster because I am too stupid to understand how to do it without some simple documentation for it. Sad




P.S. Musher, I was going to PM you back, but I wanted to write this apology here so you know I was sincere when I say: I am truly sorry at my attempt at humor. And i consider you (and all here) a good guy, it just drives me nuts when you guys get to talking about something, and I find myself completely lost, lol, scrambling to go read other threads trying to figure out what you guys are referring to.
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PostPosted: Sun 05 Mar 2017, 10:24    Post subject: Woof CE Debian Stretch and Devuan Ascii Based Development  

I did a new manual frugal install, this one uses the 4.1.30 PAE kernel:

System: Host: puppypc19741 Kernel: 4.1.30 i686 (32 bit) Desktop: Openbox 3.6.1 Distro: Dpup Stretch 7.0.0a1
Machine: Device: desktop System: Compaq-Presario product: AU194AA-A2L CQ5123F serial: MXX9300M0F
Mobo: MSI model: Boston v: 1.0 BIOS: Phoenix v: 5.24 date: 06/19/2009
CPU: Dual core Pentium E5200 (-MCP-) speed/max: 2000/2500 MHz
Graphics: Card: NVIDIA GF108 [GeForce GT 430]
Display Server: X.org 1.19.1 drivers: nouveau (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
tty size: 131x31 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Network: Card-1: Realtek RTL8101/2/6E PCI Express Fast/Gigabit Ethernet controller driver: r8169
Card-2: D-Link System AirPlus G DWL-G122 Wireless Adapter(rev.C1) [Ralink RT2571W] driver: rt73usb
Drives: HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (5.7% used)
Weather: Conditions: 7 F (-14 C) - Clear Time: March 5, 8:29 AM EST
Info: Processes: 136 Uptime: 59 min Memory: 194.1/4036.0MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.5

@radky has provided a second DpupStretch_trayfix.pet, some of the broken
tray items were replaced with working Tahrpup ones, I'll attach the pet
for anyone who would like to try it (do a backup first).
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PostPosted: Sun 05 Mar 2017, 13:15    Post subject: Re: Woof CE Debian Stretch and Devuan Ascii Based Development  

Billtoo wrote:
I did a new manual frugal install, this one uses the 4.1.30 PAE kernel:

System: Host: puppypc19741 Kernel: 4.1.30 i686 (32 bit) Desktop: Openbox 3.6.1 Distro: Dpup Stretch 7.0.0a1
Machine: Device: desktop System: Compaq-Presario product: AU194AA-A2L CQ5123F serial: MXX9300M0F
Mobo: MSI model: Boston v: 1.0 BIOS: Phoenix v: 5.24 date: 06/19/2009
CPU: Dual core Pentium E5200 (-MCP-) speed/max: 2000/2500 MHz
Graphics: Card: NVIDIA GF108 [GeForce GT 430]
Display Server: X.org 1.19.1 drivers: nouveau (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
tty size: 131x31 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Network: Card-1: Realtek RTL8101/2/6E PCI Express Fast/Gigabit Ethernet controller driver: r8169
Card-2: D-Link System AirPlus G DWL-G122 Wireless Adapter(rev.C1) [Ralink RT2571W] driver: rt73usb
Drives: HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (5.7% used)
Weather: Conditions: 7 F (-14 C) - Clear Time: March 5, 8:29 AM EST
Info: Processes: 136 Uptime: 59 min Memory: 194.1/4036.0MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.5

@radky has provided a second DpupStretch_trayfix.pet, some of the broken
tray items were replaced with working Tahrpup ones, I'll attach the pet
for anyone who would like to try it (do a backup first).


LoL I think we might of been compiling the same kernel at the same time, I compiled it also last night, Haven't tried it yet because I was working on issues on the base, I'm figuring I'll get things working well before swapping kernels. Smile

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Mar 2017, 13:37    Post subject:  

@billtoo & ttuuxxx,

Will either of you be releasing that kernel separately where I could (some way) drop it in this dpup-stretch of mine to upgrade from the 3.14.79?
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PostPosted: Sun 05 Mar 2017, 13:45    Post subject:  

belham2 wrote:
@billtoo & ttuuxxx,

Will either of you be releasing that kernel separately where I could (some way) drop it in this dpup-stretch of mine to upgrade from the 3.14.79?

I won't be releasing the one I compiled until I install it and do some testing, better safe than sorry Smile
But if bill wants too when he's ready that would be cool. Boy they take a long time to compile.
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PostPosted: Sun 05 Mar 2017, 13:49    Post subject:  

right now I'm working on a new build of woofce again, Trying to fix a browser error, it crashes when I download anything, grrrr never did that one before with other builds but on the other hand I didn't need to add anything to get to the desktop. which is a first.

keep getting this error in xerrs
Quote:
(palemoon-bin:20192): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: Two different plugins tried to register 'PupClientVolume'.

(palemoon-bin:20192): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_type_add_interface_dynamic: assertion 'G_TYPE_IS_INSTANTIATABLE (instance_type)' failed

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Mar 2017, 14:08    Post subject:  

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=659516#659516

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=698777#698777

Wild guess. Pup-volume-monitor has been installed. Ubuntu or Debian glib and pup-volume-monitor does not like each other.
There probably is debian stretch glib package installed with or without self-compiled version from original source glib package. If there is original installed, then the file locations differ from debian version and the debian glib libraries are called first ( or the self-compiled glib is not installed at all ).

First thing: check if the pup-volume-monitor is installed, if yes, then check if the build has debian glib installed. If yes, check if original self-compiled glib is installed, if yes, check why the self compiled version does not write over the debian version. Usually the overwriting has been done with zz prefix in the woof. Package name could be zzglib-version-numbers.pet

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Mar 2017, 14:11    Post subject:  

belham2 wrote:
@billtoo & ttuuxxx,

Will either of you be releasing that kernel separately where I could (some way) drop it in this dpup-stretch of mine to upgrade from the 3.14.79?


I'm using the original dpup stretch iso that I posted on Smokey01's
server, I got the kernel from an (auto woof-CE) tahrpup build that I did on
feb23rd.
I used the method I described a few pages back to change the kernel in
Dpup Stretch.
I've been running it for 5+ hours without anything awful happening Smile

Hi pemasu.
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PostPosted: Sun 05 Mar 2017, 14:32    Post subject:  

I downloaded the woof-ce and created stretch platform.

DISTRO_PKGS_SPECS-debian-stretch:

yes|pup-volume-monitor||exe

yes|glib|libglib2.0-bin,libglib2.0-0,libglib2.0-data,libglib2.0-dev|exe,dev,doc>null,nls>null #does not work with pup-volume-monitor

yes|zzz_glib||exe,dev,doc>null,nls>null #pet

So...If the builder has not changed this, there is debian glib and self-compiled glib installed. And if the error still happens, then the file locations are different in those packages and debian glib libraries are called first. Maybe because they are on the /lib and self-compiled has them on the /usr/lib or the loading gio binary is called from the debian installation first.

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Mar 2017, 14:45    Post subject:  

pemasu wrote:
I downloaded the woof-ce and created stretch platform.

DISTRO_PKGS_SPECS-debian-stretch:

yes|pup-volume-monitor||exe

yes|glib|libglib2.0-bin,libglib2.0-0,libglib2.0-data,libglib2.0-dev|exe,dev,doc>null,nls>null #does not work with pup-volume-monitor

yes|zzz_glib||exe,dev,doc>null,nls>null #pet

So...If the builder has not changed this, there is debian glib and self-compiled glib installed. And if the error still happens, then the file locations are different in those packages and debian glib libraries are called first. Maybe because they are on the /lib and self-compiled has them on the /usr/lib.
Your 100% correct and thank-you Smile I installed the zzz_glib-2.50.2-i686-dpup-stretch.pet and dev and now it doesn't crash Smile, Man it feels good when things work out Smile , Thanks Once again
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PostPosted: Sun 05 Mar 2017, 14:51    Post subject:  

I still would check the package structure, it might be that the debian and zzz version has different locations of the bins and libs. And....I would remove the debian version from the recipe to build using woof-ce.

##yes|glib|libglib2.0-bin,libglib2.0-0,libglib2.0-data,libglib2.0-dev|exe,dev,doc>null,nls>null #does not work with pup-volume-monitor and should not be used if pup-volume-monitor is installed
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PostPosted: Sun 05 Mar 2017, 15:00    Post subject:  

pemasu wrote:
I still would check the package structure, it might be that the debian and zzz version has different locations of the bins and libs. And....I would remove the debian version from the recipe to build using woof-ce.

##yes|glib|libglib2.0-bin,libglib2.0-0,libglib2.0-data,libglib2.0-dev|exe,dev,doc>null,nls>null #does not work with pup-volume-monitor and should not be used if pup-volume-monitor is installed

yes I'm removing the debian versions. Thanks for help Smile
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