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#1 Post by Wildman69 »

Greetings One and All,
I used the March 30,2017woof-CE testing branch by zigbert;
I made an x86 xenial-7.0.6 PAE with 4.1.30 kernel,
xenial iso:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5lAga ... sp=sharing
md5 text:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5lAga ... sp=sharing
Devx file:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5lAga ... sp=sharing
md5 text:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5lAga ... sp=sharing

And an x86 Debian pup 7.0.0a1 with 4.1.38 kernel,
Debian flavored iso:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5lAga ... sp=sharing
md5 text:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5lAga ... sp=sharing
Devx file:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5lAga ... sp=sharing
md5 text:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5lAga ... sp=sharing

Enjoy!

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#2 Post by musher0 »

Hello, wildman69.

Many thanks for making those Puppies available. It saves some of us the
aggravation. I'm downloading your Puppy Stretch 7 now.

If I may: are those "ex-factory"? I mean: are they OOTB woof-CE templates?
Or did you personalize them in any way? TIA.

And again: thanks.
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Straight out of the box

#3 Post by Wildman69 »

Greetings musher0,
I did not add or remove anything.
They are both woof-CE generated.
I was unable to find any x86 versions of the new puppies, so I fixed it.
I for one can not afford a new 64bit computer.

And yes the request line is open!

What you need?

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Re: Straight out of the box

#5 Post by musher0 »

Wildman69 wrote:Greetings musher0,
I did not add or remove anything.
They are both woof-CE generated.
I was unable to find any x86 versions of the new puppies, so I fixed it.
I for one can not afford a new 64bit computer.

And yes the request line is open!

What you need?
Hi, Wildman69.

Thanks for the clarification.

I asked the question because I will try to replace the older woof-CE
template (from +/- 3 weeks ago) for Stretch with yours.

Most probably make available the two kernels, and test if the ROX-Filer
and a couple of other programs (evince/epdfview and jwm, for ex.),
behave properly.

I had to change to older ROX-Filer and jwm in the early March woof-CE
template because the ex-factory ones act strange.

Actually, what our small French team for DPupStretch7 needs is another
co-operator or serious tester! (But you'd have to know some French.)
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... ost#947366

BFN.
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#6 Post by rufwoof »

Nice!

Noticed that (frugal boot of DebPup) when I updated the repositories the yellow backgrounded windows had double spacing.

Also the tray configuration tool when you try to move the panels around doesn't work as intended. I've not seen that tool before so guess its new/buggy (it did also prompt about errors because panels 3, 4...etc weren't activated/used).

I suspect nothing to do with your build Wildman69, just part of core Puppy/WoofCE bugs.

Thanks for sharing.

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#7 Post by musher0 »

@rufwoof: are the bugs in Xenial or Stretch?
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#8 Post by musher0 »

@Wildman69 and all:

Just to let you know that I tried compiling something from source with the
devx which you provided above, and the gcc in it still has the "Hybrid" bug
that was discussed in the first DPupStretch thread.

This means that if you compile something, you'll have to use elfedit to
change the type of the compiled executable from DYN back to a true EXEC.

That's OscarTalks discovery. Mavrothal also mentions another work-around
on that thread.

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#9 Post by Robert123 »

Thanks Wildman,

Booted and ran nicely on my E625 Emachine Laptop. The Xcalc bug remains in this build.
Devuan Linux, Stardust 013 (4.31) updated [url]https://archive.org/details/Stardustpup013glibc2.10[/url]
s57(2018)barebone[url]https://sourceforge.net/projects/puppy-linux-minimal-builds/files/s57%282018%29barebones.iso/download[/url]

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#10 Post by musher0 »

Robert123 wrote:Thanks Wildman,

Booted and ran nicely on my E625 Emachine Laptop. The Xcalc bug remains in this build.
Hi Robert123.

I have made available an xcalc for DpupStretch, here

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@all:

About the Debianized gcc compiler bug:
Mavrothal's work-around is here
OscarTalk's work-around is here

IHTH.
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#11 Post by Robert123 »

Thanks Musher have a virtual wine, beer or cider one me.:)
Devuan Linux, Stardust 013 (4.31) updated [url]https://archive.org/details/Stardustpup013glibc2.10[/url]
s57(2018)barebone[url]https://sourceforge.net/projects/puppy-linux-minimal-builds/files/s57%282018%29barebones.iso/download[/url]

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#12 Post by rufwoof »

musher0 wrote:@rufwoof: are the bugs in Xenial or Stretch?
The second of the two downloads, Debian Pup (so I guess Stretch?)

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#13 Post by Robert123 »

Oh dear!

This Debian build won't full-install on Ext4 but will on Ext2.

Problems with JWM setting different themes.
Devuan Linux, Stardust 013 (4.31) updated [url]https://archive.org/details/Stardustpup013glibc2.10[/url]
s57(2018)barebone[url]https://sourceforge.net/projects/puppy-linux-minimal-builds/files/s57%282018%29barebones.iso/download[/url]

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#14 Post by belham2 »

musher0 wrote:
Robert123 wrote:Thanks Wildman,

Booted and ran nicely on my E625 Emachine Laptop. The Xcalc bug remains in this build.
Hi Robert123.

I have made available an xcalc for DpupStretch, here

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@all:

About the Debianized gcc compiler bug:
Mavrothal's work-around is here
OscarTalk's work-around is here

IHTH.

Hi Musher and all,

Wildman (thanks for the builds) dpup exhibits many of the same problems we are struggling with in the dpup-stretch ISOs we've already put up. In fact, looking through the directories, nothing seems to have been changed. I am struggling to understand what is new about this pup since the kernel was not specifically compiled for dpup. Or am I mistaken and wildman complied this kernel???

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#15 Post by 01micko »

TBH 'full installs' should be totally abandoned by Puppy (woof-CE).
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#16 Post by belham2 »

01micko wrote:TBH 'full installs' should be totally abandoned by Puppy (woof-CE).

+1

Additionally, what bothered me about Barry's Quirky excursion was its near total inability to run smoothly as a "frugal" install. The hoops I had to jump through just to get Quirkies to somewhat 'stably' run in frugal mode were, well, to be kind, irritating. Barry seemed to have went 'whole hog' in the other direction and wanting everyone to do "full installs". Far be it from to us 'users' question you Masters of the puppy universe, but--for Barry at least---he seems to, with the Quirkies, have completely forgotten what puppy is all about. I know of no one, except Slavvo, using Quirkies (myself included) anymore exactly because of this issue. They are a major PITA to run and maintain. From my perspective, most other puppies' beauty is precisely BECAUSE we do not full install them.

Puppyies, frugally, savefile or remastering (which is made easy now), all via a partition, USB, SD-card, CD or DVD, that is what our world is about. I don't know, maybe I am misguided, and the "end destination" of puppy is the objective to full-install and replace every other Linux, MSFT, or Apple OS out there :( But if this 'full-install' mentality continues, what would be holding us puppy users here and not just moving over to MX-16 or SimplyLinux or Solus or one of the other zillion nice mid-to-large linux OSes out there that present way less headaches in terms of operation and maintenance?

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#17 Post by backi »

Hi belham !

Do completely agree with you !

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#18 Post by Robert123 »

01micko wrote:TBH 'full installs' should be totally abandoned by Puppy (woof-CE).
Totally disagree having the choice is important. What separates Puppy from other distros is the freedom to run as root.
Devuan Linux, Stardust 013 (4.31) updated [url]https://archive.org/details/Stardustpup013glibc2.10[/url]
s57(2018)barebone[url]https://sourceforge.net/projects/puppy-linux-minimal-builds/files/s57%282018%29barebones.iso/download[/url]

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#19 Post by rcrsn51 »

Robert123 wrote:Totally disagree having the choice is important. What separates Puppy from other distros is the freedom to run as root.
What's the connection between full/frugal and running as root?

Please explain what benefits you get from a full install.

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#20 Post by belham2 »

Robert123 wrote:
01micko wrote:TBH 'full installs' should be totally abandoned by Puppy (woof-CE).
Totally disagree having the choice is important. What separates Puppy from other distros is the freedom to run as root.
Hi Robert,

As rcrsn51 eloquently put, you're comparing apples and oranges. We all agree with the power of running root. But there are no benefits to mention that a user can describe that are attained from a "full" install versus a "frugal" one when it comes to the world of "puppy". Trying to do so in as exercise in Donald-Trump-like fairyland disbelief, lol, to use an analogy. Frugal can do everything that a full can, but here's the key, frugal can do so much more that a "full" cannot.

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