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Robert123

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PostPosted: Sat 22 Apr 2017, 15:57    Post subject:  

Devuan Linux made this announcement plus some interesting distros to try based on it - some of which are not so well known.http://refracta.freeforums.org/post6831.html?hilit=#p6831


- Gnuinos <http://gnuinos.org> (linux-libre 100% free, GNU review pending)
- Refracta <http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta>
- Exe GNU/Linux <http://exegnulinux.net>
- Nelum-dev1 <https://sourceforge.net/projects/nelum-dev1>
- Star <https://sourceforge.net/projects/linnix>
- heads <https://heads.dyne.org> (linux-libre 100% free, GNU review pending)
- good-life-linux <https://sourceforge.net/projects/good-life-linux/>
- Crowz <https://sourceforge.net/projects/crowz>

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PostPosted: Sat 22 Apr 2017, 15:59    Post subject:  

I'm trying the Goodlife spin it offers 32 bit versions.
https://devuan.org/os/partners/devuan-distros

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PostPosted: Sun 23 Apr 2017, 02:56    Post subject:  

My Good Life Linux desktop based on Devuan this one is for Colonel Panic and Nitehawk.
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Colonel Panic


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PostPosted: Sun 23 Apr 2017, 11:42    Post subject:  

Robert123 wrote:
My Good Life Linux desktop based on Devuan this one is for Colonel Panic and Nitehawk.


Thanks for the mention! My problem at the moment is getting distros I've installed to boot from the hard drive; that's why I'm Puppy-only for the time being.

Looks like a great concept though and you've clearly put a lot of work into it, so I may have a look at it later on.

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PostPosted: Sun 23 Apr 2017, 14:31    Post subject:  

Sorry Colonel it isn't creation my creation I just mean't my desktop the way I set it up as opposed to the vanilla default one
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PostPosted: Sun 23 Apr 2017, 16:00    Post subject:  

Robert123 wrote:
Sorry Colonel it isn't creation my creation I just mean't my desktop the way I set it up as opposed to the vanilla default one


Fair enough Robert, and sorry for the misunderstanding (I now see that you'd said you were trying it as opposed to it being your creation). You did a good job with the desktop anyway.

Just looking at that list and seeing Refracta mentioned, I think it's worth saying that it's a pretty good distro in its own right and it runs well on older computers.

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PostPosted: Thu 04 May 2017, 18:58    Post subject:  

Trying out Bee Free at the moment, a 64-bit free software distro based on Mint and with Cinnamon as its window manager. So far it's working well.
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PostPosted: Tue 09 May 2017, 08:31    Post subject: Other Distros  

I downloaded and installed the latest Debian testing iso

System: Host: ******** Kernel: 4.9.0-2-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3
Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch)
Machine: Device: desktop System: Hewlett-Packard product: p7-1246s
Mobo: Foxconn model: 2ADA v: 1.00 BIOS: AMI v: 7.12 date: 06/07/2012
CPU: Quad core Intel Core i5-3550 (-MCP-) speed/max: 1609/3700 MHz
Graphics: Card: NVIDIA GF108 [GeForce GT 430]
Display Server: X.Org 1.19.2 drivers: nouveau (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz, 1920x1080@60.00hz
GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on NVC1 GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 13.0.6
Network: Card-1: Ralink RT5390 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe driver: rt2800pci
Card-2: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: r8169
Drives: HDD Total Size: 2000.4GB (0.8% used)
Info: Processes: 166 Uptime: 45 min Memory: 811.3/11976.2MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.5

Works good so far.
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PostPosted: Tue 16 May 2017, 03:09    Post subject:  

I've just installed the latest version of Solus (2017.04.18.0). With this release Ikey seems to be getting away from the Debian roots of earlier versions of Solus (apt-get doesn't work in Solus, for example), but there is a software centre that allows you to install additional programs and which works well; I was able to install midnight commander without any problems.

I downloaded the Budgie version, which has a nice spring theme to it but Budgie itself is limited in the ways in which you can manipulate windows with the mouse (maybe I've been spoilt by window managers like fvwm and windowmaker). Probably a good option though for someone moving from Windows who doesn't want any necessary complication.

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PostPosted: Sat 27 May 2017, 02:19    Post subject: Devuan One released  

http://news.softpedia.com/news/devuan-1-0-officially-released-it-s-based-on-debian-jessie-but-without-systemd-516044.shtml
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PostPosted: Sat 27 May 2017, 10:27    Post subject: Other Distros  

I downloaded the Devuan 1.0 live DVD From Distrowatch and installed it
to a 128GB SSD.

Version
Kernel Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 (x86_64)
Compiled #1 SMP Debian 3.16.43-2 (2017-04-30)

I added Kodi-16.1 (needed to add the Jesse Backports repository to
Synaptic).

It's working well.

Thanks for the headsup @Robert123
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PostPosted: Sat 27 May 2017, 21:40    Post subject: Re: Other Distros  

Billtoo wrote:
I downloaded the Devuan 1.0 live DVD From Distrowatch and installed it
to a 128GB SSD.

Version
Kernel Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 (x86_64)
Compiled #1 SMP Debian 3.16.43-2 (2017-04-30)

I added Kodi-16.1 (needed to add the Jessie Backports repository to
Synaptic).

It's working well.

Thanks for the headsup @Robert123

Does it cater for running
apt-get update;apt-get install systemd-sysv
... to install the later/modular (and IMO vastly better) SystemD ? Smile

Under systemd you're able to start/stop/see individual services and any dependencies easily. Other commands such as systemd-analyze are able to show timing (bootup) and even plot charts of each individual service plotted alongside all others in a time sequenced manner (so you can visually identify bottlenecks). Takes a bit of getting used to if you write your own service ... where to drop it in (depends on/required by type decisions have to be made), but with familiarity its very easy.

Way way better than the older case of having to drop in sleep 5's or whatever to try and sequence things as-desired/intended.

That's not my chart BTW, just one I found via a search. Mine has little to see, all over (bootup) in a few seconds, with wicd (networking) being the bottleneck.

Code:
$ uname -a
Linux debian 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.43-2 (2017-04-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux

Frugally booted using grub4dos, /home only set as being persistent. Extraction of sfs to / enables it to be booted as though a full install (handy for the likes of installing kernel updates before reforming a updated main sfs again).

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title Debian Frugal RO except /home RW
find --set-root /live/jessieamd64lxde
kernel /vmlinuz boot=live quiet splash
initrd /initrd.img

title Debian FULL *** USE THIS TO UPGRADE KERNEL ***
  find --set-root /live/jessieamd64lxde
  configfile /boot/grub/menu-mine.lst
  commandline

I have the plymouth glow bootup splash theme installed that shows a animated clock like rotation/glow of the bootup timing
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PostPosted: Sun 28 May 2017, 04:24    Post subject: Re: Other Distros  

[quote="rufwoof"]
Billtoo wrote:

Does it cater for running
apt-get update;apt-get install systemd-sysv
... to install the later/modular (and IMO vastly better) SystemD ? Smile


If you like Debian and want systemd, why not just go straight for debian jessie and install that instead? Devuan (and its spinoffs like Refracta) is specifically for people who don't want systemd on their computer.

I'm sure the arguments concerning the merits and demerits of systemd will run and run; the great thing with Linux is that at least we have the choice, whereas with Windows once Microsoft moves to a new technology you're stuck with it sooner or later (since Microsoft stops supporting its older Windows releases after a certain date, you can't run an old version of Windows indefinitely).

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PostPosted: Sun 28 May 2017, 05:09    Post subject:  

I have run both Systemd and non-systemd systems (including refracta and Devuan) and don't mind either. Having said that those two I have mentioned are designed to work without systemd and infact there are also idealogical reasons as well. Like you say Colonel why add systemd when these distros are about freedom from systemd and the packages are also systemd free.
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PostPosted: Sun 28 May 2017, 10:09    Post subject: Re: Other Distros  

Colonel Panic wrote:
rufwoof wrote:
Does it cater for running
apt-get update;apt-get install systemd-sysv
... to install the later/modular (and IMO vastly better) SystemD ? Smile

If you like Debian and want systemd, why not just go straight for debian jessie and install that instead?

It was a joke (hence smiley). I do run Debian Jessie (frugally) already. Many saw the need to update init due to its serial deficiencies and of a number of potential candidates, such as Upstart, Epoch, Mudar and SystemD, the tendency has been to adopt SystemD as the upgrade path/development for its parallel processing/modular approach.
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the great thing with Linux is that at least we have the choice, whereas with Windows once Microsoft moves to a new technology you're stuck with it sooner or later (since Microsoft stops supporting its older Windows releases after a certain date, you can't run an old version of Windows indefinitely).

Devuan has around half a dozen key developers. Saw some claims that they'd support Devuan Jessie beyond the 2020 LTS date that Debian will support Jessie, however that claim seems to be fading as it would be too tall a order for the development team to continue with new developments and maintain older versions. Personally I think now Devuans at release 1.0 it will start to fade into yet another small backwater. No doubt there will be some die-hards, as there are some who prefer to continue to use terminals rather than gui's for desktop sessions.
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