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backi

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PostPosted: Sun 18 Jun 2017, 11:50    Post subject:  

Have to admit.....having a bad conscience....i am sorry Toni.......

I am just a funny guy ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwfZXxRe9eQ
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PostPosted: Mon 19 Jun 2017, 12:33    Post subject:  

Could be Off-topic but somehow related to Debian (9)
Found this comment about Debian 9 on Distrowatch Readers Comment

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21 • Debian 9 bugged (by LorenzoC on 2017-06-19 16:17:38 GMT from Italy)
I tried to upgrade from Debian 8 and making a "clean" install, there are tons of bugs in Debian 9, like USB dongles not working while the kernel spits cryptic and useless errors, CDs that cannot be unmounted either accessed, weird Networkmanager behavior and so on.

So much for an "extra-stable" distro, years of development and testing for this?.
Regression translates in depression.

https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20170619#comments
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PostPosted: Tue 20 Jun 2017, 06:30    Post subject:  

mcewanw wrote:
backi wrote:
Could be Off-topic but somehow related to Debian (9)
Found this comment about Debian 9 on Distrowatch Readers Comment

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21 • Debian 9 bugged (by LorenzoC on 2017-06-19 16:17:38 GMT from Italy)
I tried to upgrade from Debian 8 and making a "clean" install, there are tons of bugs in Debian 9, like USB dongles not working while the kernel spits cryptic and useless errors, CDs that cannot be unmounted either accessed, weird Networkmanager behavior and so on.

So much for an "extra-stable" distro, years of development and testing for this?.
Regression translates in depression.

https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20170619#comments


Yeah, slightly off-topic I suppose, but we do need a thread somewhere, I feel, to allow the deb/Ubuntu dogs some presence here - the github website is unlikely to create much discussion on it's own, I think. Without a continuing active presence on the projects subtopic area the dogs will gradually drop from view, notice, and interest. I don't want to open a new thread myself but someone should consider that as a continued forum presence actively pointing to the off-forum dog website. The dogs are all reasonably stable as is but discussions on maintenance/future upgrades continue to be important even if no new isos are planned.

William

EDIT: post was previously sent via a small screen android and I made a hash of the quote tags...

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Jun 2017, 08:09    Post subject:  

Hi !

Regarding " bad news " about Debian 9 Stretch....seems i became victim of some false information.

Belham2 wrote :
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Ignore those posts from the Fedora and OpenSUSE gang (I recognize a couple).....they always do that (leave nasty comments) every time Debian does something new. And what's even funnier: like Fedora and OpenSUSE have never had problems---good Lord, they both are magnitudes worse (even to this day) than what Debian does and is doing


Was not aware about those nasty games.....good to know.
Going to stop spreading these " bad news " about Debian 9 Stretch.
But my main intention was to keep the discussion going on this thread .

Greetings !
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PostPosted: Tue 20 Jun 2017, 08:55    Post subject:  

William wrote:
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Without a continuing active presence on the projects subtopic area the dogs will gradually drop from view, notice, and interest. I don't want to open a new thread myself but someone should consider that as a continued forum presence actively pointing to the off-forum dog website. The dogs are all reasonably stable as is but discussions on maintenance/future upgrades continue to be important even if no new isos are planned.


I agree and me neither want to open such a new thread, but let's keep this thread only for how-to purpose.

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Jun 2017, 10:03    Post subject:  

Hi fred !

Did you remove the comment function on the github Xenial Dog Forum ? .....can`t get access to it ......disqus does not appear any longer for me .
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PostPosted: Tue 20 Jun 2017, 11:06    Post subject:  

backi wrote:
Hi fred !

Did you remove the comment function on the github Xenial Dog Forum ? .....can`t get access to it ......disqus does not appear any longer for me .


Yes, I did remove, still contemplating about what or how to do.

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Jun 2017, 11:33    Post subject:  

Hi !
Fred wrote :

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.....I think also that the 'Dogs' belongs on murga-linux.


Yes i agree .....this github place for a forum is somehow too far out in the woods . Feel not comfortable with it......will there ever anybody comes along ?

" Everybody " knows you on Murga and " they " all hope and want to see you back again on Murga .
Just relax and " go with the flow "....

Meanwhile maybe as a place to meet and discuss should be on " DebianDog How to Thread " .
Sure DebianDog is not Xenial Dog . How to solve this conflict/dilemma ?........there is some attempt from pelo to keep the Xenial Topic going ...maybe a bit clumsy......but obviously there is some demand .
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=110813
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PostPosted: Tue 20 Jun 2017, 13:08    Post subject:  

Hi all,

Can anyone tell me why there's such a big difference in the amount of RAM being shown used between all types dogs and forms of puppies?

Is this the right thread to ask this??

Oh, wait,..............SNAP!..........my bad.


P.S. Why is there always some sort of drama going on in Dog land? In this case, Pelo (and others) are dead right. All forms of Dogs can stay on Murga if they like. No one (are they??) is asking anybody to leave. Plus, places like Github can be a complementary thing, no?? Love, hugs and kisses to everyone here. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue 20 Jun 2017, 14:22    Post subject:  

Hi belham ( you are quite a tricky devil ) and everybody !

mcewnw aka " The Guardian Angel of the Hidden or maybe even Lost Treasure "
aka " The Good Shepard of the Lost and Lonely Herd " wrote :

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we do need a thread somewhere, I feel, to allow the deb/Ubuntu dogs some presence here - the github website is unlikely to create much discussion on it's own, I think. Without a continuing active presence on the projects subtopic area the dogs will gradually drop from view, notice, and interest. I don't want to open a new thread myself but someone should consider that as a continued forum presence actively pointing to the off-forum dog website. The dogs are all reasonably stable as is but discussions on maintenance/future upgrades continue to be important even if no new isos are planned.


I myself even would go one radical step further ......
After contemplating a while ....My appeal to fred would be :
just open the Xenial Dog Thread again .
You started it ,you closed it.... so you could just open it again......
There are a lot of arguments for doing so (don`t want to go into detail......to lazy )..... There is , in my humble opinion, not one good reason to keep it closed .
This is your thread why doing a new one ....starting all over again does not make any sense .....
Can understand ......you needed some break .
But why to abandon so much good quality work , just because of feeling desperate for awhile .
Bad mood did come and bad mood did go......but the quality work on all those thread still remains .....so for heavens sake .......why to wreck it . Hope you are feeling better now .

So my plea to Mr. Fred is.... (i think to speak also for the peoples voice ) :

Mr. Fred, open this gate !
Mr. Fred, tear down this wall!
Mr Fred.... open the Xenial Dog thread again!

Be aware Mr.Fred ......if you don`t .... i am going to do some crowd-funding to pay for a contract killer .

Because " Happiness is a warm Gun "
https://www.vidio.com/watch/68703-the-beatles-happiness-is-a-warm-gun-lyrics

For Debian Dog i am quite clueless .It is Toni`s thread .
Toni did not close this thread and that`s O.K .
No reason to complain .
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PostPosted: Tue 20 Jun 2017, 15:39    Post subject:  

Sorry, backi, I will not re-open the XD threads, appreciate your creativity and humor though Laughing

I had my reasons for closing the threads and still have, because nothing has changed for me.
(not going in details now, enough said about it)
For the same reasons I wouldn't want to open some new thread.

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Jun 2017, 16:16    Post subject:  

Well, I've changed my mind because I didn't intend this HowTo thread to become a general discussion thread nor deal with any XenialDog matters. I've thus opened two threads in Projects area afterall (if only to allow continuation of this discussion whilst not polluting DebianDog HowTo area. But I've kept my new first post intentionally short for others to start adding main content from post two onwards.

William (site owner of https://github.com/DebianDog, which includes everyone's contributions to DebianDog and XenialDog}

EDIT: Unfortunately someone has assumed right to delete the new, much needed, XenialDog Project Maintenance Thread I created. We thus have no forum presence allowed us to maintain that already developed, community-created resource. I have work of my own inside that creation, which I freely contributed as open-source licensed on the understanding this forum provided its facilities freely for all further development work related to that. Instead maintenance thread has been denied, which is unacceptable under the terms I release my own work to the open source community.

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PostPosted: Sat 01 Jul 2017, 12:59    Post subject:  

Isobooter modified for use also with ISO's from the 'Dog' series, e.g. Debiandog, MIntpup, Xenialdog
(puppy ISO's still work also)

Isobooter original by rcrsn51, see here: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=67235
Read there first if you are not familiar with isobooter

Similar to what mikeslr shared here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=950077#950077
With the difference that isobooter-mod script is added and no prefab menu.lst included.

Attached: isobooter-mod_weeinst.tar.gz
Extract on the root of your USB or HDD partition, see for usage in included Readme.

Content of Readme:
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See for more info: rcrsn51's isobooter original: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=67235

Included scripts:
- isobooter-mod (by rcrsn51, modified to work also with DebianDog, Mintpup, Xenialdog)
- weeinst
- defragfs

- Use isobooter-mod for making this drive bootable (using grub4dos) and create menu.lst.
ISO's placed on the root of this drive will have menu.lst entry after running isobooter
Works only on FAT32 formatted partition (AFAIK, with other filesystems there's more risk of fragmentation).
From terminal in this directory, run:
Code:
./isobooter-mod

There's choice to make the drive bootable, type 'n' if it is bootable already.
When prompted if 'you want to boot the ISO from it's splash screen' it's recommended to choose 'n' (menu.lst entry is more flexible then to edit e.g. for adding save file/folder options)
Type 'y' ('boot the ISO from it's splash screen') only if the regular method doesn't work.

- Use weeinst for making the drive bootable only, it does not create menu.lst, so you need to do manually. From terminal in this directory, run:
Code:
./weeinst


- Use defragfs to defrag this partition (it won't work always).
It may easily happen that one of the ISO's is not contiguous (fragmented)
In that case it won't boot, if defragfs doesn't help, better start all over by reformatting to FAT32 and copy the files from this archive and the ISO's again..
From terminal in this directory, run (if e.g. mountpoint of your drive is /mnt/sdb1):
Code:
./defragfs /mnt/sdb1

(change according to the mountpoint)
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EDIT: defragfs is a perl script, so having perl installed is required.
EDIT2: isobooter-mod depends on 'isoinfo' which is part of package 'genisoimage'

Fred
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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jul 2017, 03:11    Post subject:  

G'day Fred, I've Tried Your isobooter-mod weeinst, on a 32 GB, Formatted FAT32, But I get isoinfo: Unable to find Joliet SVD

Wot does this mean Please? How 2 Fix it Please?

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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jul 2017, 04:00    Post subject:  

Max Headroom wrote:
G'day Fred, I've Tried Your isobooter-mod weeinst, on a 32 GB, Formatted FAT32, But I get isoinfo: Unable to find Joliet SVD

Wot does this mean Please? How 2 Fix it Please?

SmileK


Mmm.. don't know, is your ISO fragmented maybe ?
Check by:
Code:
filefrag *.iso

From terminal in directory of your USB stick mountpoint.
If it shows more than 1 extend it's fragmented.
EDIT: Here's the output I get with my setup (all fine: 1 extend):
Code:
root@stretch:/mnt/sdb1# filefrag *.iso
LxPupXenial-16.08.2-pae.iso: 1 extent found
StretchDog32.iso: 1 extent found
StretchDog64-6-25-17.iso: 1 extent found
XenialDog_32bit-openbox_jwm-2017-01-22-firmware-all.iso: 1 extent found
stretch64.iso: 1 extent found
root@stretch:/mnt/sdb1#


Please give more info about e.g. which ISO's you used and you do use a FAT32 formatted filesystem? etc... EDIT: didn't read well, you do use FAT32.

EDIT: I need to say that ISO booting doesn't work always on any USB stick, I have one or more where it just doesn't work, no matter what I try, so just tried another USB and it worked flawlessly. Question

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