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Re: Ye olde Minimum Profit

#41 Post by L18L »

L18L wrote:Then compiled 5.2.10
The reason that I did not use that version, is could not figure out how to fix the <home> and <end> keys. They did not move the cursor to beginning and end of a line.
No problem here:
Key labelled "Ende" moves cursor to end of line
Key labelled "Pos1" moves cursor to beginning of line
without any configuration, OOTB.
That was using a standard external keyboard.
With my convertible Acer Aspire R3-131T I had to hold additionally Fn key (the key between Ctrl and window)
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CUPS V.2.2.2

#42 Post by FeodorF »

Success!

CUPS works great.

Tested with Samsung mono laser printer pet (64bit).


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LibreOffice V. 5.0.6.3

#43 Post by FeodorF »

As soon as you try to save a text file in LibreOffice it will pop up a warning message. Ref: LibreOffice V 5.0.6.3

LibreOffice V 5.1.2.2. works fine in Quirky Xerus 8.1.6 for x86_64.

I think this problem is related to my 'full installation to a partition'! I'll have to do more testing on this issue.

Did some more testing. It's not the file system.
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Re: dri for intel i915 and gma500

#44 Post by BarryK »

L18L wrote:
don570 wrote:I did a full install of pyro to a partition using Barry's script,
but still getting message that Screen section of my xorg.conf
is not correct whereas xorgwizard message says everything is fine.
I did not use that script.
I have been using:

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xz --decompress --stdout pyro64-0.2-8gb.img.xz  > /dev/sdb
sync
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Result of latest experiment:

/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-gpudriver.conf must be and stay

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 Section "Device"
    Identifier "gma500_gfx"
    Driver     "modesetting"
    Option     "SWCursor"       "ON"
 EndSection 
for intel poulsbo graphics (gma500) running modesetting driver.

For intel i915 gpu it must stay unchanged or not exist, tested on my 2 boxes.
Yes, interesting thing about that 20-gpudriver.conf. On my "new" middy-tower PC, which has Intel graphics but not poulsbro, that 20-gpudriver.conf caused xorg to choose the 'modesetting' driver.

I renamed it to 20-gpudriver.confHIDE, restarted X and got the intel driver.

So, next release will have it as /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-gpudriver.confHIDE, someone with poulsbro video can change the name.
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Re: Ye olde Minimum Profit

#45 Post by BarryK »

L18L wrote:
BarryK wrote:Version 3.3.18b was the last in the 3.x series. I wonder if that improved unicode support?
This was the first one I have compiled and checked (Menu items contain utf8).

Then compiled 3.3.17 because you named it in your blog.

Then compiled 5.2.10
The reason that I did not use that version, is could not figure out how to fix the <home> and <end> keys. They did not move the cursor to beginning and end of a line.
No problem here:
Key labelled "Ende" moves cursor to end of line
Key labelled "Pos1" moves cursor to beginning of line
without any configuration, OOTB.
Hmmm, <home> and <end> keys did not work for me OOTB.
I was using en_US-UTF8, if that is a factor.
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Re: Ye olde Minimum Profit

#46 Post by BarryK »

L18L wrote:
L18L wrote:Then compiled 5.2.10
The reason that I did not use that version, is could not figure out how to fix the <home> and <end> keys. They did not move the cursor to beginning and end of a line.
No problem here:
Key labelled "Ende" moves cursor to end of line
Key labelled "Pos1" moves cursor to beginning of line
without any configuration, OOTB.
That was using a standard external keyboard.
With my convertible Acer Aspire R3-131T I had to hold additionally Fn key (the key between Ctrl and window)
SOLVED?
Oh, I see, haven't tried that. There must be a place for fiddling with the key bindings, like the old mprc?
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Re: Ye olde Minimum Profit

#47 Post by L18L »

BarryK wrote:There must be a place for fiddling with the key bindings, like the old mprc?
There is: /usr/share/doc/mp-5/index.html
and I have found $HOME/.mprc

EDIT
.. and there is also a menu
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Ye olde Minimum Profit

#48 Post by L18L »

mp-5 is really nice under X.

But without X, Ctrl Alt F2, (we do need it in console mode for configuring X) I get:

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mp-5
No usable driver found: exiting.

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Re: Ye olde Minimum Profit

#49 Post by BarryK »

L18L wrote:
BarryK wrote:There must be a place for fiddling with the key bindings, like the old mprc?
There is: /usr/share/doc/mp-5/index.html
and I have found $HOME/.mprc

EDIT
.. and there is also a menu
I don't think that $HOME/.mprc works with the mp 5.x series, only the 3.x series.
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Re: Ye olde Minimum Profit

#50 Post by L18L »

BarryK wrote:I don't think that $HOME/.mprc works with the mp 5.x series, only the 3.x series.
Yes I see, you are right.
But without X, Ctrl Alt F2, (we do need it in console mode for configuring X) I get:
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mp-5
No usable driver found: exiting.
Maybe this is just because my wrong configuration

Fatdog has mp-5.2.8
mp: This editor in this package can use terminal or gtk.
Tested OK.

But translations (in all versions) is a night mare
They have minimum-profit.mo
and seem to use only mpsl files in /usr/share/mp5/lang
e.g. de.mpsl

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/* Built by po2mpsl - Don't modify, change the .po file instead */
__I18N__ = {
	"" => "Project-Id-Version: Minimum Profit\nReport-Msgid-Bugs-To: \nPOT-Creation-Date: 2006-01-11 06:09+0100\nPO-Revision-Date: 2006-05-28 13:19+0100\nLast-Translator: Ronny Steiner <Post@SIRSteiner.de>\nLanguage-Team: \nMIME-Version: 1.0\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8\nContent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n",
	"&File" => "&Datei",
	"&Edit" => "&Bearbeiten",
I have been starting to use our momanager,
use symlink mp-5 to minimum-profit
and got po and mo updated
but .mo is not used by the program.

No more wondering why they do not have more languages translated :lol:

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Quirky Pyro64 version 0.2 (alpha)

#51 Post by L18L »

Thought I share this, too.....

Remember, this is for the famous poulsbo graphics (read more at http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/mor ... -community from 2009, but puppy is for Old computers, isn't it) which does need boot cmdline parameter:
drm_kms_helper.edid_firmware=edid/<bult-in or home made>

In the past I was stuck with the resolution from that boot parameter.
So I have been trying a "home made" EDID file.

Using get-edid:

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# get-edid 
This is read-edid version 3.0.1. Prepare for some fun.
Attempting to use i2c interface
Looks like no busses have an EDID. Sorry!
Attempting to use the classical VBE interface
Illegal instruction
#
...and I had some fun.

A solution was found on the web using python.
Used it just to see that a "home made" EDID file works.
Wrote a shell script get-edid.sh
Used it just to see that this "home made" EDID file also works.

It worked,
but with the one resolution only,
no change of resolution seemed to be possible.

Then I unplugged VGA cable and used HDMI, success!
Tested also in Fatdog64 switching resolutions with zarfy.

At last I changed back to boot with built-in EDID file
and
guess what ?
No home made EDID file needed at all. (and no get-edid.sh uploaded)
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Re: Quirky Pyro64 version 0.2 (alpha)

#52 Post by L18L »

L18L wrote:No home made EDID file needed at all. (and no get-edid.sh uploaded)
Anyway, here it is: my get-edid.sh. Maybe it will become useful.

not at: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=get-edid
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#53 Post by don570 »

Note to L18L

I tried your script on fatdog64

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# ./get-edid.sh

Hit ENTER to close this window

	EDID:
		00ffffffffffff0022f08c3101010101
		0b19010368331d782ae595a656529d27
		105054a10800d1c081c0a9c0b3009500
		818081000101023a801871382d40582c
		4500fd1e1100001e000000fd00323c1e
		5011000a202020202020000000fc0048
		5020323378770a2020202020000000ff
		0036434d353131305a4c370a202000ab

tail is not 0005; aborted.

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https://www.x.org/wiki/FAQVideoModes/

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get-edid.sh

#54 Post by L18L »

don570 wrote:I tried your script on fatdog64

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# ./get-edid.sh

Hit ENTER to close this window

	EDID:
		00ffffffffffff0022f08c3101010101
		0b19010368331d782ae595a656529d27
		105054a10800d1c081c0a9c0b3009500
		818081000101023a801871382d40582c
		4500fd1e1100001e000000fd00323c1e
		5011000a202020202020000000fc0048
		5020323378770a2020202020000000ff
		0036434d353131305a4c370a202000ab

tail is not 0005; aborted.

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Thank you for trying that script
That check_tail is completely false (nobody is perfect )
Please get rid of it by commenting that line:

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# check tail
#[[ "${EDIDhex:252:4}" = "0005" ]] || die "tail is not 0005"
Anyway, main result of my findings for me and for now is:

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Me don't need no
 custom resolution
We don't need no
 myEDID
not at first boot
:lol:

Thanks for your bug report and for thereference info
I think that especially /software.intel.com is stuff for BarryK (I am just a hacker)

EDIT
https://software.intel.com/en-us/articl ... l-graphics wrote:
Of course, now that I have, it's entirely possible the Intel chipset software guys will come up with an easier way.

Or the fatdog quirky and puppy guys are comig up :?: :wink:

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qsync

#55 Post by L18L »

18n completed
tested & translated
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#56 Post by BarryK »

L18L wrote:qsync 18n completed
tested & translated
Thanks for that, have put it into woofQ.
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#57 Post by scsijon »

Hi, when you get to it I'm taking it you'll add pyro64 somewhere here.

However, i'm wondering;

With all the new book-sized notebooks with 10" Touch Screens coming out with Atom low power processors but still only 2gig of ram still (saves a control chip and space on the mboard, which is now a premium), and using ssd instead of a HD, plus with only win10 32bit being installed even though the atoms are usually 64bit (processors are but some of the interface hardware is only 32bit), if it's time to think of a x86 32bit puppy again, and with oe being capable of x86 as well as x86-64, well....

Maybe a Quirky Pyro32 would be better than a Pyro64 for at least the low end of these?

I'd also like to see a ISO package again unless someone would like the challange of creating a Generic .img to .iso utility application.

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#58 Post by BarryK »

scsijon wrote:Hi, when you get to it I'm taking it you'll add pyro64 somewhere here.

However, i'm wondering;

With all the new book-sized notebooks with 10" Touch Screens coming out with Atom low power processors but still only 2gig of ram still (saves a control chip and space on the mboard, which is now a premium), and using ssd instead of a HD, plus with only win10 32bit being installed even though the atoms are usually 64bit (processors are but some of the interface hardware is only 32bit), if it's time to think of a x86 32bit puppy again, and with oe being capable of x86 as well as x86-64, well....

Maybe a Quirky Pyro32 would be better than a Pyro64 for at least the low end of these?

I'd also like to see a ISO package again unless someone would like the challange of creating a Generic .img to .iso utility application.

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I am surprised that notebooks with win10 32-bit are still being released. I thought that that was long-gone.

But, there is no need for a pyro32 if the cpu supports 64-bit. Though, if the UEFI-firmware is 32-bit, that might be a problem.

I could build a pyro64 that will boot on either 32-bit or 64-bit UEFI-firmware, I think.
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#59 Post by scsijon »

BarryK wrote:
scsijon wrote:Hi, when you get to it I'm taking it you'll add pyro64 somewhere here.

However, i'm wondering;

With all the new book-sized notebooks with 10" Touch Screens coming out with Atom low power processors but still only 2gig of ram still (saves a control chip and space on the mboard, which is now a premium), and using ssd instead of a HD, plus with only win10 32bit being installed even though the atoms are usually 64bit (processors are but some of the interface hardware is only 32bit), if it's time to think of a x86 32bit puppy again, and with oe being capable of x86 as well as x86-64, well....

Maybe a Quirky Pyro32 would be better than a Pyro64 for at least the low end of these?

I'd also like to see a ISO package again unless someone would like the challange of creating a Generic .img to .iso utility application.

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scsijon
I am surprised that notebooks with win10 32-bit are still being released. I thought that that was long-gone.

But, there is no need for a pyro32 if the cpu supports 64-bit. Though, if the UEFI-firmware is 32-bit, that might be a problem.

I could build a pyro64 that will boot on either 32-bit or 64-bit UEFI-firmware, I think.
Hi,

Having a 'look' at two of the newies this afternoon (while in adelaide) and pre-public release late next month, and the only thing that seems 64bit is the cpu, everything else is 32bit framed including the chipsets and windows uefi. And their definately running windows10-32bit. Their both with only 2gig of ram too so I wonder if their just using up component sets.

Not sure how this will affect you, but as their 'framed' for the Secondary/TAFE/University in-classroom market......, but I think it should be considered.

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You asked for packages for pyro64 as pet's / sfs's?

#60 Post by scsijon »

Maybe for those of us that don't use seamonkey, include thunderbird for mail?;

Add tupi2d magic (small and simple to use 2d animation package) and it's extensions/plugins for inkscape, (they are all on sourceforge). It's that easy to use a 10yr old can quickly learn to use it; I'm also still looking for a good stable standalone 3D wire-animation package to replace eion from (siag);

Add filezilla for large number of packages transfers;

Add qt5 as a standalone .sfs, there is an awfull lot of good packages that need qt to run;

Add src2pkg so anyone can at least try to build simple pets. Sometimes it works and sometimes not nowadays, I suspect it's internal vs external package versions or a path problem, maybe amigo could be asked to see if he can fix it for pyro64 as he created it;

And a request, can we have a menu item called Development added, usefull for our dev tools to live in and could be also used for test runs if packages and the like to see if they work before a completely built package/packageset into the 'live' tree.

Mind you i'd also love to be able to tie these last two to use a chroot and isolated in their own partition/x.sfs, but that would take some rework;

Also have a look at Flatpak (.org), code on github. It looks slimilar to androids system, both a package maintainer and building base in one. LGPL-2.1.

And that should be enough of a headache from me. I hope to be back at my T2 building in a fortnight, i'll upload all built packages to my site as first step in case they are of use to anyone else.

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