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How to update Tahrpup's kernel?
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Piriponzolo

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PostPosted: Sun 30 Jul 2017, 09:30    Post subject:  How to update Tahrpup's kernel?  

Hi to everyone. I would like to know, please, how to update in Tahrpup 6.0.5 the kernel 3.14.56 to 3.14.79. Thank you in advance.
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PostPosted: Sun 30 Jul 2017, 10:56    Post subject:  

Before we give the answer to the question.

Why do you want to do this?
Got a specific problem?

Changing the kernel is not a fix for everything!!!

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PostPosted: Sun 30 Jul 2017, 13:40    Post subject:  

Hello and thank you for the reply.
Only in order to learn and experience.
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PostPosted: Sun 30 Jul 2017, 13:50    Post subject:  

Why not go the 'whole hog', and update to k4.1.11? It's available...

bigpup is right, though. There really isn't much point upgrading the kernel unless you're attempting to fix a specific problem. The kernel provides a means for the underlying 'hardware abstraction layer' to communicate with the OS itself, and interact with it.

This is why the kernel these days is probably 95% nothing but drivers. We can undoubtedly help with advice on the process, but Puppy, unlike the mainstream distros, does not automatically upgrade on a regular basis just for the sake of it.

Personally, I upgraded Tahr 6.05 to k4.1.11.....and ended up going back to k3.14.56, because the newer kernel stopped a whole bunch of peripherals working. They had no issues with the older one....

Just my experience, it's true!


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PostPosted: Sun 30 Jul 2017, 14:14    Post subject:  

Thank you, Mike. Very kind of you.
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PostPosted: Sun 30 Jul 2017, 14:28    Post subject:  

I notice that a 3.14.79 kernel is available here. There are instructions here for changing kernels.
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PostPosted: Sun 30 Jul 2017, 15:05    Post subject:  

Thank you, rcrsn51. Very kind of you. Have a nice evening.
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PostPosted: Sun 30 Jul 2017, 15:22    Post subject:  

Hi Piriponzolo,

I wasn't aware of the change_kernels-1.0.pet rcrsn51's provided or that some Puppies already include a module to change them. Perhaps I read the posts at a time when it wasn't something I then intended to do, and then forgot.

What I didn't forget was the manual instructions for changing kernels:

Download a kernel package, such as those available from the link rcrsn51 provided in his post.

Extract the contents of the brz.

Rename the vmlinuz and zdrv_xxx.sfs files in your Puppies folder to "old-vmlinuz" and "old-zdrv_xxx.sfs" just in case you need or want to revert.

Copy the vmlinuz and zdrv_xxx.sfs into your Puppy's Folder. Edit: See below

Rename them so that their new names are identical to that of the files being replaced before you renamed them.

Reboot.

vmlinuz is the kernel. zdrv_xxx.sfs are drivers which were compiled to work under that kernel.

mikesLr

Edit: Based on the following posts regarding the merits of the 4.9 series kernel, I decided to update Tahrpup64's kernel using hugh-4.9.13-xenialpup64.tar.bz. On extracting it, I discovered where I expected to find a zdrx_xxx.sfs a kernel-modules.sfs-4.9.13-xenialpup64 appeared instead. So I changed the name of that file to zdrv_tahr64_6.0.5.3.sfs and moved it into Tahrpup64's folder. Rebooted. All is working well. Very Happy. Posting from it now.

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PostPosted: Sun 30 Jul 2017, 18:37    Post subject:  

Hello, mikesLr.
Thank you for the kind indications. Have a nice evening.
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PostPosted: Sun 30 Jul 2017, 23:46    Post subject: So i return to old precise Puppies  

Mike Walsh wrote:

Personally, I upgraded Tahr 6.05 to k4.1.11.....and ended up going back to k3.14.56, because the newer kernel stopped a whole bunch of peripherals working. They had no issues with the older one....
Just my experience, it's true!
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Kernels provided for Xenialpup freeze soon or later.. So i return to old precise Puppies (lib FFmpeg, no freeze, and drivers for wireless antennas available). That is a big difference when you want your computer play your videos or bring your computer in your car to take advantage of sunny days.

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PostPosted: Mon 31 Jul 2017, 06:28    Post subject: freeze
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I also had a lot of freezes and problems with the 4.1 kernel in tahr605. But NOT with the newest 4.9.30.
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PostPosted: Mon 31 Jul 2017, 09:42    Post subject: Re: freeze
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Limbomusic wrote:
I also had a lot of freezes and problems with the 4.1 kernel in tahr605. But NOT with the newest 4.9.30.


I must confess, the 4.9.13 kernel in Xenialpup 7081 is being as good as gold; nowt misbehaving at all. Which is, after all, what you want.


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PostPosted: Mon 31 Jul 2017, 10:04    Post subject:  

For me, this is an on-going problem with the Puppy repos - once something goes in, it stays forever.

There are multiple reports that the huge 4.1.11 kernel has problems. It should be removed now that there are better alternatives..
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PostPosted: Mon 31 Jul 2017, 11:51    Post subject: Re: freeze
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Mike Walsh wrote:
Limbomusic wrote:
I also had a lot of freezes and problems with the 4.1 kernel in tahr605. But NOT with the newest 4.9.30.


I must confess, the 4.9.13 kernel in Xenialpup 7081 is being as good as gold; nowt misbehaving at all. Which is, after all, what you want.


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I also have had zero issues at all in multiple pups using that 4.9.13. It has pretty much replaced the 4.1.30/31 I used in days of yore as my rock solid goto swapper. More recently I've run 4.9.40 also without problems, admittedly in fewer pups.
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