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peebee


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PostPosted: Fri 06 Oct 2017, 06:33    Post subject:  ArtfulPup
Subject description: Latest - ArtfulPup-17.11
 

ArtfulPup-17.11 is released

http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/puppy-artful/

ArtfulPup is built using 32-bit Ubuntu Artful Aardvark (17.10) components.
Kernel is 4.9.59 32-bit pae (see next post also) and requires firmware in an fdrv (in the .iso)

Posts about 17.11 start at:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=972955#972955
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PostPosted: Fri 06 Oct 2017, 07:04    Post subject:  

Known bugs and issues:

For older systems that won't boot PAE kernels - new kernels have the forcepae option and adding
Code:
-- forcepae
to kernel line gets it to boot. (note there's a space after -- )

05-nov-2017: If you want to use encrypted savefiles using LUKS you should apply Update 17.11+2 or later.

23-nov-2017: ffmpeg-3.2.2 .pet
is available via PPM from repo puppy-artful
a PPM database update will be required for 17.11 or 17.11+1
with this version, .flac files may not play in pMusic but will play in gnome-mplayer
update is needed if dependent apps are installed from ubuntu repos

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PostPosted: Fri 06 Oct 2017, 07:04    Post subject: How to build ArtfulPup  

How-to build ArtfulPup....

1. Use a recent 32-bit Puppy installation...
2. with devx loaded
3. with an internet connection
4. Get woof-CE - in a terminal run:
Code:
git clone https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE.git -b testing

5. Download artful/ folder; in the terminal run:
Code:
wget -r -np -R "index.html*" http://smokey01.com/peebee/artfulpup/woof-distro/x86/ubuntu/artful/
6. Move /smokey01.com/peebee/artfulpup/woof-distro/x86/ubuntu/artful folder to: /woof-CE/woof-distro/x86/ubuntu/
7. Change directory to /woof-CE; in a terminal run
Code:
./merge2out
      target architecture 2 - x86
      compat-distro 5 - ubuntu
      release 1 - artful
8. Change directory to /woof-out_x86_x86_ubuntu_artful; delete all files Packages-Puppy-*-Official
9. In a terminal run:
Code:
./0setup
./support/findpkgs
10. Check FINDPKGS-NOT-FOUND and /status/findpkgs_FINAL_PKGS-ubuntu-artful are OK
11. Move /woof-out_x86_x86_ubuntu_artful/rootfs-packages.conf to folder /woof-out_x86_x86_ubuntu_artful/support/
12. Download kernel from:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/lxpup/files/Other/huge-kernels/huge-4.9.59-lxpup.tar.bz2/download
and then move kernel to /woof-out_x86_x86_ubuntu_artful/huge_kernel/
13. Make folder /sandbox3 if it doesn't exist; download 4 files from:
http://smokey01.com/peebee/artfulpup/drv-sfs/
and then move adrv, fdrv, ydrv and README-extra_sfs to /sandbox3
14. Now the lengthy bits... in a terminal run:
Code:
./1download
./2createpackages
./3builddistro-Z

Notes:
Step 12 - other huge-kernels can be used; lxpup kernels require the fdrv (step 13); other huge-kernels may have firmware in the zdrv.

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ally


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PostPosted: Fri 06 Oct 2017, 08:44    Post subject:  

mirrored here:

http://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_Zestypup


http://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_Artfulpup

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Sailor Enceladus

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PostPosted: Fri 06 Oct 2017, 09:11    Post subject:  

It's running ok for me so far. The choice of apps seems good, and it looks pretty. Sound and wifi are working here. Performance seems smooth enough on my Pentium M laptop or similar to comparative newer distros, seems at least as stable as Xenialpup for me too. I included the fdrv but not the adrv, and downloaded your Firefox56 to browse (as I remember Light-48 having the youtube playing way too fast bug, but 46 was ok). The entry for Light was still in the menu though (but had no icon), the Firefox sfs had no icon in the menu as well. That's all I noticed so far. Nice to see the Ubuntu puppies moving forward into new challenges. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri 06 Oct 2017, 09:33    Post subject: very
Subject description: good
 

Running very well on a Dell Vostro1000 1.5gb ram (from 2005).
Using the chromium-sfs. Everything looks good and works.
Tested from usb and frugal install.
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PostPosted: Fri 06 Oct 2017, 09:34    Post subject:  

Thumbs up Smile

Zesty doesn't give correct resolution on my system (1920x1080). Xenial does it correct and it seems that Zesty is lacking a driver.

The following info is taken from PupSysInfo

Zesty
Code:
VGA compatible controller
• Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
• VendorID=AMD/ATI BeaverCreek
• VendorID=Radeon HD 6550D
• VendorID=1002  DeviceID=9640
• Kernel Module=radeon



Xenial
Code:
VGA compatible controller
• Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
• VendorID=AMD/ATI BeaverCreek
• VendorID=Radeon HD 6550D
• VendorID=1002  DeviceID=9640
• Kernel Driver=radeon
• Kernel Module=radeon

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mavrothal


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PostPosted: Fri 06 Oct 2017, 11:08    Post subject:  

On a fast (VM based) test, things look past alpha.
Light icon is missing from the menu. I guess because you install in /usr/local instead of /usr. Giving the full path for the U icon in mozilla-light.desktop, also fixes that.
Some of the JWM themes fail because have tags that the version of JWM used does not understand. Xenial has 2.3.5 and Zesty 2.3.2. The latest JWM is 2.3.7
You may also want to set defaults off in a number of sharing apps at startup. Is handy for the user but in a system that runs as root and no firewall, may become problematic.
So, nothing major. Looks good

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PostPosted: Fri 06 Oct 2017, 11:33    Post subject:  

mavrothal wrote:
On a fast (VM based) test, things look past alpha.
Light icon is missing from the menu. I guess because you install in /usr/local instead of /usr. Giving the full path for the U icon in mozilla-light.desktop, also fixes that.
Some of the JWM themes fail because have tags that the version of JWM used does not understand. Xenial has 2.3.5 and Zesty 2.3.2. The latest JWM is 2.3.7
You may also want to set defaults off in a number of sharing apps at startup. Is handy for the user but in a system that runs as root and no firewall, may become problematic.
So, nothing major. Looks good

Hi @mav....

JWM is a nightmare!!! I used 2.3.2 from Slacko because anything later seems to be incompatible with Ptheme.... this was @Zigbert's advice due to Ptheme giving errors with 2.3.5...I think you're now saying that some of the themes are not compatible with 2.3.2?? Which themes errored? Any clues as to what changes are needed?

As for 2.3.7 - then that's probably incompatible with everything!!!

Maybe I should just ditch JWM and move to LXDE as jlst is proposing I think - but then this wouldn't be a Pup - it would be an LxPup....

'Fraid I don't understand "You may also want to set defaults off in a number of sharing apps at startup. Is handy for the user but in a system that runs as root and no firewall, may become problematic. " - which sharing apps? what defaults?

Cheers
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PostPosted: Fri 06 Oct 2017, 13:34    Post subject:  

peebee wrote:
Maybe I should just ditch JWM and move to LXDE as jlst is proposing I think - but then this wouldn't be a Pup - it would be an LxPup....

Hi peebee,
Installed and runs well on my i5 based laptop. All the video and wireless drivers are there, touchpad etc. all completely useable on first boot. I used SNS for the wireless connect. No problems. I set up Slimjet 15.1.2.0 from SFS in my usual manner. No issues there. Disabled intel_pstate and set up the acpi_cpu driver and a governor or two. No problems there. Installed pcmanfm using the PPM and made it the default filemanager. That went well. I didn't get to setting up rightclicks or checking the suspends though because the jwm theme and panel setup and the myriad sort of functional wallpaper and theme setters sent me scuttling back to lxde. I tried. It seems solid and functional, but I guess I'm way too used to either lxde (my slight preference at this time for its more robust panel) or XFCE.

Thanks for the venture,

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PostPosted: Fri 06 Oct 2017, 13:52    Post subject:  

Congrats Peebee on going ahead with this - look forward to playing with it.
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PostPosted: Fri 06 Oct 2017, 15:14    Post subject:  

Well had a play.
Machine: T42 Thinkpad with celeron m chip

Booted live using unetbootin using forcepae option.

Video, Booting to desktop, Connecting to the web and sound all working. Xcalc crashing xserver still a bug. Light Browser - first experience seems nice and light to use. Overall very nice Peebee for an Alpha build.


Thank you.

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PostPosted: Fri 06 Oct 2017, 16:24    Post subject:  

Quick manual frugal install and test. Booted to the correct screen resolution with working sound and internet.

Installed 4 or 5 packages with the PPM, all work.

Code:
# inxi -Fxx
System:    Host: puppypc1714 Kernel: 4.9.50-lxpup-32-pae i686 (32 bit gcc: 7.1.0)
           Desktop: JWM 2.3.2 dm: N/A Distro: ZestyPup 17.10.01
Machine:   Device: desktop Mobo: ASUSTeK model: M5A97 LE R2.0 v: Rev 1.xx serial: 150545593600028
           BIOS: American Megatrends v: 2601 date: 03/24/2015
CPU:       Hexa core AMD FX-6300 Six-Core (-MCP-) cache: 12288 KB
           flags: (lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm) bmips: 42140
           clock speeds: min/max: 1400/3500 MHz 1: 1400 MHz 2: 2000 MHz
           3: 1400 MHz 4: 2000 MHz 5: 1400 MHz 6: 2000 MHz
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA GT218 [GeForce 210] bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:0a65
           Display Server: X.org 1.19.3 drivers: nouveau (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
           tty size: 80x24 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Audio:     Card-1 NVIDIA High Definition Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 01:00.1 chip-ID: 10de:0be3
           Card-2 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:14.2 chip-ID: 1002:4383
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.9.50-lxpup-32-pae
Network:   Card: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller
           driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: d000
           bus-ID: 02:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:8168
           IF: enp2s0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full
           mac: 1c:87:2c:5a:bb:e2
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 1120.2GB (5.6% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: KINGSTON_SV300S3 size: 120.0GB serial: N/A
           ID-2: /dev/sdb model: WDC_WD10EZEX size: 1000.2GB serial: N/A
Partition: ID-1: swap-1 size: 8.60GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sdb5
RAID:      System: supported: linear raid0 raid1 raid10 raid6 raid5 raid4
           No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
           Unused Devices: none
Sensors:   None detected - is lm-sensors installed and configured?
Info:      Processes: 186 Uptime: 16 min Memory: 316.4/16111.7MB
           Init: SysVinit v: N/A runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: N/A
           Client: Shell (bash 4.3.291 running in lxterminal) inxi: 2.3.8



Code:
# free
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:      16498392    1065396   15432996     337504     121432     656112
-/+ buffers/cache:     287852   16210540
Swap:      8396796          0    8396796


I'll try to squeeze in some more testing as time allows.Looks pretty solid so far.
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PostPosted: Fri 06 Oct 2017, 17:56    Post subject:  

Hi Peebee,

Good stuff. Overall nice job. Added Slimjet & Slimjet-Silent-Launch (ditched the adrv altogether), RedshiftGUI, Sakura and so far all seems ok and to be playing nice together. Right-click menu options could use some sprucing up, as they're pretty sparce. Only major thing I am coming across is a glitch/bug in JWMDesktop Control or just JWM itself....any changes you try to make for either jwm-tray (top or bottom), no matter what the changes are, crashes things and you get an error box (as shown in pic below) and jwm resets all of your "jwm" work back to the pristine backup.jwmrc. This stinks because it wipes everything you've previously set up. Other than that (and a few desktop and symlink things, which were easily fixed), everything seems to be running good. I've been squashing/unsquashing, threw some HD videos at gnome & it did ok, and tomorrow I will give some compiling a few things a go. Also, love the fat Zestypup background Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri 06 Oct 2017, 19:32    Post subject:  

peebee wrote:

Maybe I should just ditch JWM and move to LXDE as jlst is proposing I think - but then this wouldn't be a Pup - it would be an LxPup....


Hi Peebee,

I really don't see that the desktop type used in any way defines what a Puppy is. Many systems nowadays provide quick desktop user-change util - doesn't change the overall system... It's the underlying system control scripts that really define a different distribution - a desktop manager is basically just an application. So no such thing as a JWMPup or an OpenboxPup - if built using Puppy system scripts, such as via woof-CE, then its a Puppy whatever window manager is used IMO.

Once upon a time Puppy iso strived to be as small as possible - prior even to xz compression being available around 50MB and certainly less than 100MB (and a little bit, pretty much irrelevant, less RAM). The very small JWM was useful back then to try and help achieve that. These days have gone at least to the extent that using JWM or openbox etc doesn't make much of an overall iso size difference issue. Certainly, different WMs have their own different config and menu util requirements.

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