Fatdog64-710 Final [4 Dec 2016]

[art_]

NFS is an issue in all puppies so far. You need the nfs-utils that I attached to this post. After converting it to FD710 txz package format and installing this, it usually works, maybe have to tweak some options..........

Thanks! That worked (almost) great, I got an error about
"rpc.statd is not running but is required for remote locking"
but an option "nolock" let me mount the share, I'll have to research that, when I have some time... Thanks again!

[chiron²]

Actually, I never got past that. But using nolock in a small LAN, where ever only one client accesses the share at the same time is no risk. On some machines I have to set the version of NFS, on some it just works (with nolock).

[Yoliano]

@SFR

Sorry that I am a bit late in reporting back to you. But I just want to let you know that your second patched version of pmcputemp, which I installed, is very stable and working well. Since my last, previous post, I have been monitoring it's performance daily. In all sessions, the Temperature Icon has remained present in the tray from boot to shutdown. Also, the varying temperatures presented have all been in the range previously seen on this PC. Nor have I seen any pauses in the temp. display. So, everything appears normal. Your second patch has overcome my problem.

I appreciate very much your willingness to give attention to my minor problem and to provide an excellent solution. Thank you very much for your most kind help.

[Gobbi]

It's good to see new kernels posted in the repositories . I got new hardware lately and I liked the improvement I noticed from k-4.10.8 to k-4.12.10 on my iGPu . 3 months ago I installed an i7-7700 in my PC .
2 days ago I also put a new Nvidia graphic card and I wanted to install the proprietary module from Nvidia . I did not find the kernel-source-4.12.10.sfs in the repositories so I turned back to k-4.10.8 . The Nvidia module installed succesesfully .
Is there any chance to have the kernel sources sfs for k-4.12.10 in the repos

[step]

@Gobbi,

md5 https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B932f ... DdhLUxwUmM
sfs https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B932f ... 2VzRWktZHc

[Gobbi]

Thank you step for the links
The NVIDIA module installed too with the kernel 4.12.10

[Wognath]

I recently discovered QEMU and have been enjoying it. Thanks to developers for including it in the devx and to jamesbond for the qemu-vm-manager.sh gui.

I have two questions. First, how to access an image assigned to SD Card slot in the gui? I can't find it in the VM. Second, where does the icon fd0 ("fd0 vfat 1M") on VM desktop come from, and what is it for? It can't be mounted or seen by gparted.

Finally, a suggestion: Advanced/Other parameters -drive file=/dev/sdc is useful to get files into the VM. Could this be added to the gui as an option?

EDIT: from QEMU user documentation:

The QEMU PC System emulator simulates the following peripherals:
...
- 2 PCI IDE interfaces with hard disk and CD-ROM support
- Floppy disk
...

There doesn't seem to be any way to get rid of fd0 or to make any use of it --??

[step]

where does the icon fd0 ("fd0 vfat 1M") on VM desktop come from, and what is it for? It can't be mounted or seen by gparted.

EDIT: from QEMU user documentation:

The QEMU PC System emulator simulates the following peripherals:
...
- 2 PCI IDE interfaces with hard disk and CD-ROM support
- Floppy disk
...

There doesn't seem to be any way to get rid of fd0 or to make any use of it --??

Give QEMU an image file for sd0 and you'll be able to mount and use it. For instance:

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# dd bs=512 count=2880 if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/imagefile.img
2880+0 records in
2880+0 records out
1474560 bytes (1.5 MB) copied, 0.00254197 s, 580 MB/s
# mkfs.msdos /tmp/imagefile.img 
mkfs.fat 3.0.28 (2015-05-16)

Start QEMU with some ISO file of your liking and boot the distro. While in the distro QEMU GUI press Ctrl+Alt+2 to enter the QEMU console and type

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change floppy0 /tmp/imagefile.img

Press Ctrl+Alt+1 to levae the QEMU console then mount fd0 in the distro desktop, i.e., double-click the fd icon as appropriate. Create an empty file "TEST" in the mounted folder.
Press Ctrl+G to free the cursor from QEMU and type in a Fatdog64 terminal window

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filemnt /tmp/imagefile.img

You should see a rox filer window with file "TEST" in it. Repeat the filemnt command to unmount the floppy drive image file in Fatdog64.

[step]

where does the icon fd0 ("fd0 vfat 1M") on VM desktop come from, and what is it for? It can't be mounted or seen by gparted.

EDIT: from QEMU user documentation:

The QEMU PC System emulator simulates the following peripherals:
...
- 2 PCI IDE interfaces with hard disk and CD-ROM support
- Floppy disk
...

There doesn't seem to be any way to get rid of fd0 or to make any use of it --??

Give QEMU an image file for sd0 and you'll be able to mount and use it. For instance:

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# dd bs=512 count=2880 if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/imagefile.img
2880+0 records in
2880+0 records out
1474560 bytes (1.5 MB) copied, 0.00254197 s, 580 MB/s
# mkfs.msdos /tmp/imagefile.img 
mkfs.fat 3.0.28 (2015-05-16)

Start QEMU with some ISO file of your liking and boot the distro. While in the distro QEMU GUI press Ctrl+Alt+2 to enter the QEMU console and type

Code: Select all

change floppy0 /tmp/imagefile.img

Press Ctrl+Alt+1 to levae the QEMU console then mount fd0 in the distro desktop, i.e., double-click the fd icon as appropriate. Create an empty file "TEST" in the mounted folder.
Press Ctrl+G to free the cursor from QEMU and type in a Fatdog64 terminal window

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filemnt /tmp/imagefile.img

You should see a rox filer window with file "TEST" in it. Repeat the filemnt command to unmount the floppy drive image file in Fatdog64.

[Wognath]

Sweet!! Thank you, step.

[Gobbi]

... Finally, a suggestion: Advanced/Other parameters -drive file=/dev/sdc is useful to get files into the VM. ...

Using and testing Wognath's suggestion I added to a Qemu VM in Advanced Settings -> Other parameters : -drive file=/tmp/imagefile.img .
I previously created with a script ( one can use the terminal instead ) the /tmp/imagefile.img , using the two lines suggested by step :

# dd bs=512 count=2880 if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/imagefile.img
# mkfs.msdos /tmp/imagefile.img

I only used mkfs.ext4 instead of mkfs,msdos and made it bigger with count=2048000 .
Once I booted an ISO with the Virtual Machine (Racy , Carolina ,TahrPup) there appeared a new drive sda which can be used to pass files by the Guest system .
From the Host , it can be accessed using in terminal the command :

# filemnt /tmp/imagefile.img

Thank you step and Wognath for the tips
It is wise to use this virtual drive one at a time by the Host or the Guest system . Modifing a text file with the virtual drive accesed by both Guest and Host turned that file into a corrupt one ...

[step]

Thank you, Gobbi, for sharing your findings.

Samba is another way to share files between the host and the guest VM. For simplicity, I'm going to assume that host and guest are both Fatdog64-710 systems.

Host

Start control panel, select the System tab, then Manage Server and Services and double-click it. The Service Manager window opens. Scroll down to the samba entry, select it and click the Start button. You've just started the samba file sharing server. By default, it shares folder /root/spot/Downloads. This is controlled in /etc/samba/smb.conf. If you change the shared path you need to restart the samba server from the Service Manager window.

Guest (QEMU)

Start control panel, select the Utilities tab, then YASSM Samba share search and double-click it. The YASSM share searcher window opens. You should see an entry field with qemu@HOSTNAME (your guest PC hostname) in it. You don't want that, not now. Enter "shares@HOSTNAME" (without quotes) instead and click Select. A login window opens. Enter "root" for Username, delete the Password, blank it out, enter "shares" for Share and "HOSTNAME" for Server, click Mount. A network share folder should open in rox. It should be the guest's Download folder.

QEMU can also do the sharing all by itself, with no need to run samba on the host. So, skip the steps for the Host above, and repeat the steps for the Guest. When you get to the part where you enter the Share, enter "qemu@10.0.2.4" and continue as before. A rox window on the host's /root folder should open.

When you're done don't forget to click Unmount in the YASSM windows.

[slackfan]

Hi

I did look at this page http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 845#801845 and mis some of my usual app's.

what would you recommend to do in such case?

[step]

I would recommend in order:
1. Read the entire thread you linked looking for such packages
2. If not found and if you have the skills compile the package yourself - ask questions if you get stuck
3. If you don't have the skills, post a request if someone would kindly compile the package for you.

Another option is AppImages (search the forum). More and more applications can be downloaded as AppImages from their websites, and they may work in Fatdog64.

Also, Smokey01's Puppy Newletter (search the forum) has a section on compiling programs. It's explained in very simple terms and may be a starting point.

[chiron²]

I fixed a small issue in the scanner-share script which prevented it from running in my FD 710. The script did not detect the ip adress, and thus would not find the sane server. Adapted one line in the script and now it works. Rename attachment to .txz for FD 710. Actually, should work in all other puppies, too. As long as sane is included.

EDIT: The script lets you share a scanner that is attached to your computer over the network, and gives access to a shared scanner. It uses the sane backend to do so. Very practical if you have an ancient SCSI scanner, and want to use it with a laptop. Script works in 64bit and 32bit alike.

[slackfan]

I would recommend in order:
1. Read the entire thread you linked looking for such packages
2. If not found and if you have the skills compile the package yourself - ask questions if you get stuck
3. If you don't have the skills, post a request if someone would kindly compile the package for you.

Another option is AppImages (search the forum). More and more applications can be downloaded as AppImages from their websites, and they may work in Fatdog64.

Also, Smokey01's Puppy Newletter (search the forum) has a section on compiling programs. It's explained in very simple terms and may be a starting point.

Hi Step, thank you very much for your help.

I see, you are personally very active creator of packages for FatDog64. Thank you very much (also in the name of other users; we, users, are all dependent of such people, often named freaks, being able to do more than use: create new figures! I hope, you, all those creators, have also a certain satisfaction to be the infrastructure used by the distribution to be attractive)...

FatDog64 is a special case:

I know FatDog64 since Y e a r s ago! But it seem to be really alone in the Linux or, more restrictive, Puppy world - having no library of some other applications really different of a new editor etc.

In the past, in the first release of FatDog64, it was possible, using the 64bit/32bit conversion, to use some packages from 32 bit world. it was great, no immense luxury.

Today, the situation seems not to be better: Those 32 bit app' s seem don't to be any more operable on the most actual FatDog (I suppose it is 64-710 final?), so you can't extend your activities any more using it!

I miss options for following fields of activities useful for each but especially for children and young people:

- flash cards learning
- very effective ocr for languages being often spoke in the world (not only English!) like Chinese, Hindi/Tamil (they are different, but needing to cover the all Indian sub continent, a most numerous contry of the world, as the south-indian peoples refuse, a bit as in the USA, where Spanish is really important in the south, to adopt Hindi, the north Indian language), Spanish, Russian, Arabic, French, Japanese (with or without frontend as ximagereader!)...
- characters fonts: adequate for the named languages
- input methodes: same thing!

(as Puppy did begin, more than 10 y. ago, it were no time for such languages details! I did understand it, but 10 y. later !!! greatest desillusion! greatest lack of consideration for other peoples and cultures! As Australian or North American peoples did not be really always say welcome to her predecessors in the countries, we can see here a direct continuation...)

- geo apps: the most important is around the open project open street maps - in linux represented by "merkaartor"
- marble-qt would be an important complement for those - it is the only one really concurrent to google earth...

- gramps! a lot of people will discover where they are, where they are coming from (is the "human continuation" of geo apps! I am also a "Lucy"?)

etc.

also FatDog64 is not a really new comer any more: the bard is really greyish! also FatDog64 would have time to offer more and if it would have offer more, it would have today more users and ...

... helpers!

FatDog access is terribly complicate: FatDog did "spare" the menu item "help" in the main menu! And the search methodes offered are unwonted. I did look in QuickApps as well as in Glsapt (after actualisation, of course) but it is not really easy to find somewhat.

[dr. Dan]

I recently decided to attempt to make a package, so I went to add the fd64-devx_710.sfs from the control panel SFS manager, but it wasn't listed. I had not gotten around to asking why, when just now, as I was looking into other things here, I looked at the ibiblio Fatdog64 pages. Looking around, I saw that it is listed as available for download. A quick re-check of the SFS manager shows it not listed still. Just an FYI.

[step]

I would recommend in order:
1. Read the entire thread you linked looking for such packages
2. If not found and if you have the skills compile the package yourself - ask questions if you get stuck
3. If you don't have the skills, post a request if someone would kindly compile the package for you.

Another option is AppImages (search the forum). More and more applications can be downloaded as AppImages from their websites, and they may work in Fatdog64.

Also, Smokey01's Puppy Newletter (search the forum) has a section on compiling programs. It's explained in very simple terms and may be a starting point.

Hi Step, thank you very much for your help.

I see, you are personally very active creator of packages for FatDog64. Thank you very much (also in the name of other users; we, users, are all dependent of such people, often named freaks, being able to do more than use: create new figures! I hope, you, all those creators, have also a certain satisfaction to be the infrastructure used by the distribution to be attractive)...

FatDog64 is a special case:

I know FatDog64 since Y e a r s ago! But it seem to be really alone in the Linux or, more restrictive, Puppy world - having no library of some other applications really different of a new editor etc.

In the past, in the first release of FatDog64, it was possible, using the 64bit/32bit conversion, to use some packages from 32 bit world. it was great, no immense luxury.

Today, the situation seems not to be better: Those 32 bit app' s seem don't to be any more operable on the most actual FatDog (I suppose it is 64-710 final?), so you can't extend your activities any more using it!

To run 32-bit applications you first need to load the 32bit compatibility SFS using the Fatdog SFS manager. Alternatively, you can download the SFS directly from http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/sfs/710/.

I miss options for following fields of activities useful for each but especially for children and young people:

- flash cards learning
- very effective ocr for languages being often spoke in the world (not only English!) like Chinese, Hindi/Tamil (they are different, but needing to cover the all Indian sub continent, a most numerous contry of the world, as the south-indian peoples refuse, a bit as in the USA, where Spanish is really important in the south, to adopt Hindi, the north Indian language), Spanish, Russian, Arabic, French, Japanese (with or without frontend as ximagereader!)...
- characters fonts: adequate for the named languages
- input methodes: same thing!

SFR built the tesseract OCR engine. You can download an SFS here http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/contri ... 6_64-1.sfs

(as Puppy did begin, more than 10 y. ago, it were no time for such languages details! I did understand it, but 10 y. later !!! greatest desillusion! greatest lack of consideration for other peoples and cultures! As Australian or North American peoples did not be really always say welcome to her predecessors in the countries, we can see here a direct continuation...)

I understand your frustration; you can't get the language support you need. Yet, no one in the Fatdog team has the skills and knowledge to build such support. There is a set of Chinese input methods SFS, created by user icake here http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 999#942967. See also stemsee's post in the same thread here http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 999#943093 and following posts.

- geo apps: the most important is around the open project open street maps - in linux represented by "merkaartor"
- marble-qt would be an important complement for those - it is the only one really concurrent to google earth...

- gramps! a lot of people will discover where they are, where they are coming from (is the "human continuation" of geo apps! I am also a "Lucy"?)

etc.

also FatDog64 is not a really new comer any more: the bard is really greyish! also FatDog64 would have time to offer more and if it would have offer more, it would have today more users and ...

... helpers!

FatDog access is terribly complicate: FatDog did "spare" the menu item "help" in the main menu! And the search methodes offered are unwonted. I did look in QuickApps as well as in Glsapt (after actualisation, of course) but it is not really easy to find somewhat.

[slackfan]

Thank you step for your own efforts! As the discussion did be blocked in the parallel thread without some explanation, I can and will not answer to you about only a part of the details and will also not answer in a thread containing 39 pages, a typical Puppy terror situation those long threads without search engine permitting to find concrete messages or reduce the search adequately.

some what goes wrong in Puppy from today!

[L18L]

some what goes wrong in Puppy from today!

So what?
Fatdog's devs are slow and lazy.
Fatdog is not Puppy.
Reading Help helps.