Create Debian 9 (Stretch) minimal ISO similar to DebianDog

[wiak]

Coming back to one of my Ddogs is like coming into a harbor in the tempest, a tempest caused by the continual roiling ocean waters of what exists in the puppy-verse madness. Their menus going astray, icons disappearing, dependencies kept in the dark, and on and on and on and on. It never stops in Puppyland. And, yes, alas, I will go back out to sail in those psychosis-causing waters again....trying to do my part, a small part, to help keep the Puppy-verse alive & well. All the while, though, knowing that the swift, fierce & rocksteady Ddog battleships protect the land and -verse bay. A bay of refuge. A place of understanding. A place of calm & serenity.

Hi Belham,Fred and Everyone .

What a Praise for "The Dogs"...... those beautiful and inspired Pieces of Art and Functionality.

My "Amen" to that .

Except that the comments are as much a totally unnecessary, and more than a little ugly, attack on Puppy Linux as they are a declaration of appreciation for the DebianDogs, and I would be surprised if Fred was particularly happy with that slant to the comments either.

[backi]

Hi wiak !

Necessary or not.... lies in the eye of the beholder.

Did not want to hurt or degrade anything or anybody .......just trying to make some Fun and Entertainement ........(after all the hard work Fred and all the other Contributors have done ) .
To make it clear ......i adore those other Puppies too ...very much.

Maybe was a bit Off-Topic..... have to admit ......
Sorry for that .
Regards from Germany !

[wiak]

To make it clear ......i adore those other Puppies too ...very much.

And to make it clear from me, it is not that I myself wish to promote Puppy ahead of the DebianDogs either. It would be something of nonsense for me to do that since I have been as much involved with the DebianDogs as I have been with any Puppy (until more recently). Rather I respect Puppy and DebianDog(s) as entirely different distributions (despite some of the Puppy-like characteristics purposively adopted by the DebianDogs). But when thinly veiled negative remarks are made against Puppy on DebianDog threads they come across as more than a little bit like destructive Trojan horses, which is not what I personally like to see in DebianDog-related threads on the Puppy murga-linux forum. Just my own opinion of course.

[backi]

Hi wiak !

...... and more than a little ugly, attack on Puppy Linux ....

C`mon Brother ......Belham`s just a funny guy .Think you`re just somehow misinterpreting his Style .

[wiak]

Hi wiak !

...... and more than a little ugly, attack on Puppy Linux ....

C`mon Brother ......Belham`s just a funny guy .Think you`re just somehow misinterpreting his Style .

Okay, let's just assume that is the case then. I'd be happy to think that's all it is.

wiak

[fredx181]

To make it clear ......i adore those other Puppies too ...very much.

And to make it clear from me, it is not that I myself wish to promote Puppy ahead of the DebianDogs either. It would be something of nonsense for me to do that since I have been as much involved with the DebianDogs as I have been with any Puppy (until more recently). Rather I respect Puppy and DebianDog(s) as entirely different distributions (despite some of the Puppy-like characteristics purposively adopted by the DebianDogs). But when thinly veiled negative remarks are made against Puppy on DebianDog threads they come across as more than a little bit like destructive Trojan horses, which is not what I personally like to see in DebianDog-related threads on the Puppy murga-linux forum. Just my own opinion of course.

I agree.
Of course I like to see that this project is appreciated (and belham and backi's humor ), but it's totally unnecessary to be negative about other projects. Even comparing is not constructive IMHO.
Btw, most of the appreciation should go to Debian maintainers, e.g. without e.g. debootstrap or live-boot and the Debian package management this project wouldn't exist.

Fred

[belham2]

Jeeezus, I didn't mean to start an international incident. Leave it to the genius that is Toni, eer, uhmmm, I mean, wiak to start something---making waves in my bay of calm---yet once again. Never understand that man, especially since his Mintpuppy is so darn nice. Oh well, you just can't leave it alone, can you, Toni?, uggg, dammit, I mean wiak....or you know what/who I mean?!


Hi backi, hope you are well too. You got me all interested in Spacefm again (saw your post yesterday, then the delete, haha). I used to love it, but then it drove me nuts because I couldn't set how I wanted "drag&copy" or "drag&move" and no "symlink-on-drag-creation"----essentially no darn popup with these three things----3 things that I consider necessary & puppy knocks it out of the park on. Will see what I can come up playing with Peebee's latest .pet on it. Darn good thing Festus posted about it or I would have overlooked it completely.


P.S. Fred, wanted to ask ya something----when I updated, apt-get held back peasyxorburn? Was/is there a reason??

[anikin]

*An empty barrel makes the most noise*

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/inde ... 724AAHvKIj

[fredx181]

P.S. Fred, wanted to ask ya something----when I updated, apt-get held back peasyxorburn? Was/is there a reason??

I have no idea why, that happens sometimes, I can't reproduce with peasyxorburn, but for me it's firefox-esr held back, but doing (see below):

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apt-get dist-upgrade

makes it install (or for you, just: "apt-get install peasyxorburn" probably will do also)

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root@live:~# apt-get upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following packages have been kept back:
  firefox-esr
The following packages will be upgraded:
  peasyxorburn
1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
Need to get 10.1 kB of archives.
After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
Abort.
root@live:~# apt-get dist-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libjsoncpp1
The following packages will be upgraded:
  firefox-esr peasyxorburn
2 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 48.5 MB of archives.
After this operation, 11.6 MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] 

Fred

[backi]

Hi Belham !
Not sure if i am going Off-Topic .
Regarding Spacefm (could be my favorite Filemanager ).

I used to love it, but then it drove me nuts because I couldn't set how I wanted "drag&copy" or "drag&move" and no "symlink-on-drag-creation"----essentially no darn popup with these three things----3 things that I consider necessary

Just realized a few minutes ago........
Looking into Spacefm`s > Preferences>Interface>Drag and Drop Actions ....
I found out how to create those darn Symlinks .......which i could not get to work before .
(but no pop-up menu like in Rox-Filer ))

[rufwoof]

P.S. Fred, wanted to ask ya something----when I updated, apt-get held back peasyxorburn? Was/is there a reason??

I have no idea why, that happens sometimes, I can't reproduce with peasyxorburn, but for me it's firefox-esr held back, but doing (see below):

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apt-get dist-upgrade

makes it install

apt-get upgrade will only upgrade existing things to newer versions, it wont add or remove things. apt-get dist-upgrade can make changes, add newer things, remove no longer used things ...etc. For some programs such as firefox-esr upgrading typically only dist-upgrade will actually upgrade it, apt-get upgrade will just report that its available via the way of saying that it was held back.

Its not a good idea to just run

apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade

but better to run each individually and make sure you read the prompts before pressing 'y' as I have seen one instance of where someone just casually pressed yes to a prompt that said 3.9GB of programs/libs would be removed, and they were subsequently left with a non bootable system.

[fredx181]

*** Update mklive-stretch ***

Changes:

- Should work from any newer puppy now without workaround as discussed earlier
(unset LD_LIBRARY_PATH is done inside script now)
Required is to install debootstrap pet, provided by wiak Download
For ISO creation is required xorriso and isolinux packages installed.
(if not installed, creating ISO will fail, but the script will still create the files for a frugal install)

- Works from Xenialdog 32-bit now (previously didn't work because of symlink /bin/chroot in Xenialdog32)

Download:
mklive-stretch script

Fred

[fredx181]

Hi All,

For when built "Full DebianDog Openbox_Xfce-Jwm version", I made a (very much) modified Whisker-menu, e.g. buttons for Start-Jwm, Start-Slim (login-manager), Logout.
Also the profile picture can be changed easily (by clicking on it and select new picture).
Install from Synaptic or from terminal:

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apt-get update
apt-get install xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin-mod

This will replace the standard whiskermenu package

Included also in New StretchDog ISO's

Fred

[belham2]

Hi All,

For when built "Full DebianDog Openbox_Xfce-Jwm version", I made a (very much) modified Whisker-menu, e.g. buttons for Start-Jwm, Start-Slim (login-manager), Logout.
Also the profile picture can be changed easily (by clicking on it and select new picture).
Install from Synaptic or from terminal:

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apt-get update
apt-get install xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin-mod

This will replace the standard whiskermenu package

Included also in New StretchDog ISO's

Fred

Hi Fred,

Uhmmm, before I do this new whisker-mod, is this supposed to be what it does? It removes all of xfce4-goodies? I use nearly all of the xfce4-goodies, thus I don't get it. I wanted to ask this because I've a perfectly functioning, super-stable XFCE64-build and I don't want to screw anything up by installing the new 'whiskermenu-plugin-mod'. Is that what you intended?? For ALL of the xfce4-goodies to be removed?

[fredx181]

Uhmmm, before I do this new whisker-mod, is this supposed to be what it does? It removes all of xfce4-goodies? I use nearly all of the xfce4-goodies, thus I don't get it. I wanted to ask this because I've a perfectly functioning, super-stable XFCE64-build and I don't want to screw anything up by installing the new 'whiskermenu-plugin-mod'. Is that what you intended?? For ALL Shocked of the xfce4-goodies to be removed?

No, I didn't realize that it would remove xfce4-goodies, that's not good.
My mistake. I will try to find a solution for that.
Btw, on a pure xfce4 install this whisker-mod is not very useful, I think.
It's made suitable for the Openbox_ Xfce-Jwm combo type of build.

Fred

[fredx181]

Hi belham, looks to me that I fixed it, but for testing purpose can you try again and confirm ? (need to do first apt-get update)

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apt-get update
apt-get install xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin-mod

Probably it gives a warning something like "dependency problems", "but yes, as requested"... blah blah but in the end it should install without problems.

EDIT: just for info, looking better at your apt-get terminal pic, it's not that all applications would be removed, only the "transitional" or "meta" package "xfce4-goodies" (which provides all the applications), so it's not that bad (the list of applications you see are set as "autoremove", so only if you're doing "apt-get autoremove" will uninstall them).
Again, shouldn't be how it was removing xfce4-goodies package and hopefully fixed now.

Fred

[belham2]

Hi belham, looks to me that I fixed it, but for testing purpose can you try again and confirm ? (need to do first apt-get update)

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apt-get update
apt-get install xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin-mod

Probably it gives a warning something like "dependency problems", "but yes, as requested"... blah blah but in the end it should install without problems.

EDIT: just for info, looking better at your apt-get terminal pic, it's not that all applications would be removed, only the "transitional" or "meta" package "xfce4-goodies" (which provides all the applications), so it's not that bad (the list of applications you see are set as "autoremove", so only if you're doing "apt-get autoremove" will uninstall them).
Again, shouldn't be how it was removing xfce4-goodies package and hopefully fixed now.

Fred

Hi Fred,

Deciding to be safe, I copied over my "frugal" DDog-XFCE64-build into a new 'frugal' folder, and set it up in grub4dos. Boy oh boy, am I happy I did.

I did just like you wrote. I ran 'apt-get update', the ran 'apt-get install whiskermenu-plugin-mod', selected "Yes", and watched as it installed. Fred, my whole XFCE whisker menu instantly became unstable, and then, in a few minutes of clicking, unusable. I couldn't even get the original XFCE Applications menu item to load. Whisker just vanished and/or self-destructed. Then, every thing (the OS overall) just crashed.

Thanking my lucky stars that I for once had enough brains to test something first, haha, I just deleted the frugal install and, if you don't mind, I'll now pass on this whisker-mod. Lord, that whisker-mod was like a nuclear bomb going off inside my XFCE.... It's probably just my fault and my systems, I mean maybe it's something I did when I was building this XFCE64 and then modifying/setting things up. But it has operated so stable and so well over the past month of frequent use, that I honestly cannot think of what I might have done.

Anyway, I'll let backi test and run it. He'll try anything! He even got me to load that buggy SpaceFM contraption of filemanager

[backi]

..seems we have to look for some kind of suicidal Test-Crew of Linux Djihadis .

Allahu akbar !

[fredx181]

Hi Belham,

I did just like you wrote. I ran 'apt-get update', the ran 'apt-get install whiskermenu-plugin-mod', selected "Yes", and watched as it installed. Fred, my whole XFCE whisker menu instantly became unstable, and then, in a few minutes of clicking, unusable. I couldn't even get the original XFCE Applications menu item to load. Whisker just vanished and/or self-destructed. Then, every thing (the OS overall) just crashed.

Whoops , sounds bad, sorry, I could have expected a possible configuration problem, but not crashing like you had.
Very strange, it works OK for me.

Can anyone else please test ?
(with some type of setup: openbox with xfce)
If you have the courage With changes=EXIT boot nothing bad can happen, I guess, just don't save the changes if not OK


Fred

[backi]

Hi Fred !
Just a quick Test .
Tried with a new/fresh Openbox/Xfce full Dog .....followed procedure above ....
did not encounter this type of Problems belham described .

Regards !