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peebee

Joined: 21 Sep 2008 Posts: 3253 Location: Worcestershire, UK
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Posted: Mon 23 Oct 2017, 14:07 Post subject:
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Terry H wrote: | Hi peebee, Just a question on how to determine if the kernels in your lxpup Huge Kernel archive are 64 bit or 32 bit. You have stated that 64 bit kernels are usable in 32 bit puppies, but they don't appear to be identified as 32 or 64 bit kernels. In particular, is the 4.9.56 kernel 64 bit.
Thanks in advance.
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Ahh - good spot - no 64 bit there at the moment - all 32 bit...
64-bit are at:
http://smokey01.com/peebee/slackocurrent/kernel/
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Sailor Enceladus
Joined: 22 Feb 2016 Posts: 1476
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Posted: Mon 23 Oct 2017, 14:14 Post subject:
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ally wrote: | I have been trying to change kernels in xenialpup64 without success (lenovo x230 no hotkey controls - 4.4.35 in fatdog64_710 work fine) |
I switched mine to huge-3.14.54-tahr_64.tar.bz2 right off the bat from here:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/huge_kernels/
I didn't create a savefile yet so all I had to do was rename the vmlinuz-3.14.54 to vmlinuz and kernel-modules-3.14.54 to zdrv_xenial_7.0.8.4.sfs to replace over the old ones, then reboot, and it said 3.14.54 and my wifi worked again.
I think if you already created a savefile it's better to type change_kernels in the terminal and use that way to switch kernels, or maybe using that way is the same now.
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belham2
Joined: 15 Aug 2016 Posts: 1512
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Posted: Mon 23 Oct 2017, 15:38 Post subject:
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Sailor Enceladus wrote: | ally wrote: | I have been trying to change kernels in xenialpup64 without success (lenovo x230 no hotkey controls - 4.4.35 in fatdog64_710 work fine) |
[b]I switched mine to huge-3.14.54-tahr_64.tar.bz2 right off the bat[/b] from here:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/huge_kernels/
I didn't create a savefile yet so all I had to do was rename the vmlinuz-3.14.54 to vmlinuz and kernel-modules-3.14.54 to zdrv_xenial_7.0.8.4.sfs to replace over the old ones, then reboot, and it said 3.14.54 and my wifi worked again.
I think if you already created a savefile it's better to type change_kernels in the terminal and use that way to switch kernels, or maybe using that way is the same now. |
Hi Sailor,
Can I ask why? Do you find the 3.14.54 (54 or did you mean 56?) runs better on your stuff (is it older, like mine, say 7-10 years). I've got two 'frugal' 64-bit Xenials running, one from Battleshooter (with his XFCE), and one built from woof-CE several weeks ago, Sometimes, stuff is really responding slow in Xenials (and other pups) that I have the newer kernels, I noticed especially when things went up to the 4.9.# area, my 'frugal' installs on different computers in the house weren't responding as fast as, say, compared to my 'frugal-install' of Phils old 64-bit Tahr64-6.05., which still runs stuff noticeably quicker.
I am really intrigued that, from what Peebee said today, the 4.4.# series is going to be supported for like 4 or 5 more years.
I wonder if that would provide a good middle ground for someone in my situation? Thing is, I know or think the newer kernels give us access to so much more when installing stuff and compiling (maybe that's a wrong assumption, I don't know), so I wouldn't want to----as they say---cut my hands off to spite my face.
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ally

Joined: 19 May 2012 Posts: 1800 Location: lincoln, uk
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Posted: Mon 23 Oct 2017, 19:23 Post subject:
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confused, what's the difference between a kernel from kernel.org and a huge-kernel?
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peebee

Joined: 21 Sep 2008 Posts: 3253 Location: Worcestershire, UK
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Posted: Tue 24 Oct 2017, 01:58 Post subject:
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ally wrote: | confused, what's the difference between a kernel from kernel.org and a huge-kernel?
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The source comes from kernel.org....
Kernel-kit in woof-ce compiles that source according to a config, adding aufs and ensuring that vmlinuz has the drivers necessary to boot and packages it as a zdrv .sfs
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ally

Joined: 19 May 2012 Posts: 1800 Location: lincoln, uk
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Posted: Tue 24 Oct 2017, 02:00 Post subject:
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thanks, I understood source.....!
100gig of kernels going up to archive now, few more sources to chase down when it's finished
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musher0

Joined: 04 Jan 2009 Posts: 12088 Location: Gatineau (Qc), Canada
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Posted: Tue 24 Oct 2017, 02:45 Post subject:
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ally wrote: | thanks, I understood source.....!
100gig of kernels going up to archive now, few more sources to chase down when it's finished
 | Indeed, a huge amount of huge kernels!!! Mind-boggling...
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ally

Joined: 19 May 2012 Posts: 1800 Location: lincoln, uk
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Posted: Tue 24 Oct 2017, 02:46 Post subject:
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just kernels at the mo, hunting ongoing
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peebee

Joined: 21 Sep 2008 Posts: 3253 Location: Worcestershire, UK
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Posted: Tue 14 Nov 2017, 12:38 Post subject:
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64-bit Kernel 4.14.0 - 1st release of the latest LTS kernel.....needs an fdrv....can also be used with 32-bit pups as long as your cpu is 64-bit capable.
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sheldonisaac
Joined: 21 Jun 2009 Posts: 717 Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Posted: Tue 14 Nov 2017, 13:21 Post subject:
Re: huge-kernels for woof-ce puppies |
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Hi, please excuse; I did an Internet search for: explain huge kernels
No luck.
What are they, and why would I use them? (And while we're at it, how to use them)
Thanks a lot.
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musher0

Joined: 04 Jan 2009 Posts: 12088 Location: Gatineau (Qc), Canada
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Posted: Tue 14 Nov 2017, 14:47 Post subject:
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HI Sheldon.
Thje expression "huge kernel" was coined by Puppy's new top dog, Micheal Amadio,
aka 01micko, a few years ago. It's "huge" in the sense that it brings together in an
archive the kernel proper plus several other essential elements, as explained by
peebee above:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=972043&sort=lastpost#972043
It's a Puppy "feature". Other distros do not do that, at least not like we do it.
IHTH.
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sheldonisaac
Joined: 21 Jun 2009 Posts: 717 Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Posted: Tue 14 Nov 2017, 15:11 Post subject:
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musher0 wrote: | HI Sheldon.
Thje expression "huge kernel" was coined by Puppy's new top dog, Micheal Amadio,
aka 01micko, a few years ago. It's "huge" in the sense that it brings together in an
archive the kernel proper plus several other essential elements, as explained by
peebee above:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=972043&sort=lastpost#972043
It's a Puppy "feature". Other distros do not do that, at least not like we do it.
IHTH. | OK, thank you. Do ordinary users like me need concern ourselves with these packages?
(I had used Puppys like 214X (by ttuuxx), Lucid by playdayz and now rerwin, some slackos, and recently tahr, and now will be using your Xenial as my everyday OS)
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musher0

Joined: 04 Jan 2009 Posts: 12088 Location: Gatineau (Qc), Canada
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Posted: Tue 14 Nov 2017, 18:12 Post subject:
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Nope!
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mikeslr

Joined: 16 Jun 2008 Posts: 2342 Location: 500 seconds from Sol
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Posted: Sun 21 Jan 2018, 22:49 Post subject:
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Hi All,
I noticed that some of the packages appearing @ http://archive.org/download/Puppy_Linux_Kernels have a "pfs" ending, such as 000-kernel-3.13.0-24-generic.sfs.pfs. What are they? How are they used?
peebee has kindly made 64-bit Kernel 4.14.0 available. Link a couple of posts above this one. I note that 4.14 has been designated as being Long Term Support, and is one of the first kernels for which patches against the meltdown and spectre vulnerabilities are being developed. Taking into consideration that an fdrv.sfs is required (which peebee has also made available) and that not all Puppies are "fdrv aware", can these be used in Puppies other than LxPup?
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ally

Joined: 19 May 2012 Posts: 1800 Location: lincoln, uk
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Posted: Mon 22 Jan 2018, 07:47 Post subject:
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russian version of sfs from puppyrus-a repos
they can just be renamed .sfs
edit: dedicated page for huge kernels here: http://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_Huge-Kernels
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