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mavrothal


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PostPosted: Wed 01 Nov 2017, 00:14    Post subject:  
bigpup wrote:
Distrowatch would like the, developer of a Puppy version, to give the info to post.


I'm not sure about that either.
Originally DW was monitoring BK's blog. Later Barry should inform them about new versions (as he does for quirky now days). I'm not sure if it is still BK that does that, Mick or nobody, but I doubt is "any developer"
For sure should be "officially" announced somewhere beyond this forum, to point DW at.
As we know from this forum and Ally's archive, there are thousands of puppies and likely millions of Linux spins. DW tends to report on serious, consistent, openly reproducible, long term efforts.

BTW, Ubuntu's updates of their long term releases although numbered as point releases, are established and scheduled in the release from the beginning. They are major updates.
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PostPosted: Wed 01 Nov 2017, 06:30    Post subject:  
Phil, please restore the option to select SNS instead of Frisbee. Frisbee
takes "forever" to make my wireless connection at startup. SNS is far
superior in this respect. The lack of choice is a step backward IMO.

Art, the grumpy old coot.
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PostPosted: Wed 01 Nov 2017, 06:55    Post subject:  
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I'm not sure if it is still BK that does that, Mick or nobody, but I doubt is "any developer"

BK is no longer contributing to Puppy and has nothing to do with it.
01micko is suppose to be the person that took over as the Puppy master.
Seems to have little interest in Puppy for some months.

As for developers submitting information to DistroWatch.
DistroWatch seems to think they should.

Read the DistrWatch terms for submission of a new Linux version.
https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=submit
Quote:
Once you've created a Linux distribution and would like to have it listed on DistroWatch, you should e-mail us to tell us about your project. Please provide the following four pieces of information in your e-mail:

The name of the project or distribution.
The URL of the project's website.
A brief description of the distribution, such as its goal(s) and what other distribution it uses as its base, if applicable.
A link to the distribution's installmedia media (ISO file).

This is really what DistroWatch wants you to do.
Quote:
for those developers who absolutely and desperately want to have their distribution listed on DistroWatch today. All you need to do is to buy an advertising banner and your distro will be listed straight away.

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Sailor Enceladus

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PostPosted: Wed 01 Nov 2017, 07:41    Post subject:  
artsown wrote:
Phil, please restore the option to select SNS instead of Frisbee. Frisbee
takes "forever" to make my wireless connection at startup. SNS is far
superior in this respect. The lack of choice is a step backward IMO.

Art, the grumpy old coot.

I noticed this in 32-bit version 7.0.8.6 too. I used Frisbee as it was the only choice and it works as good as SNS for me so far, but it was strange not to see the one I normally used since Slacko 5.6. I thought maybe this was because 666philb was using an old woof-CE before this change, but that is for including frisbee and netwiz I think, so mystery still remains on how this happened. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri 03 Nov 2017, 17:18    Post subject:  
bigpup wrote:
666philb wrote:
bigpup wrote:
Xenialpup64 7.0.8.6
Frugal
Save folder.

I can live with this and have been for some time.
Just wonder why it is required in Xenialpup.

Video card Nvidia GeForce GTX 970.

Initial first boot, have to use nouveau.modeset=0 to get to visible desktop.


hi bigpup,

i've no idea why this is required with xenialpup64. do you need to use the same option with xenialpup32 bit as well? if so can you try the 32bit xenialpup with artfuls kernel. just copy the vmlinux & zdrv.sfs over renaming the zdrv.sfs

Yes. Xenialpup 32bit also requires the nouveau.modeset=0.

I tried the Artfulpup kernel 4.9.56-lxpup-32-pae in Xenialpup 32bit V7.0.8.1

It now boots a fresh initial boot, with no added boot options required.
The kernel change fixed it.

I have been doing some research.
If I am understanding this correctly this is being caused by the kernel compile setup for the use of frame buffer and KMS.
Basically if they are compiled to be active or not active in the kernel.
The nouveau driver module, that is in the kernel, is also something that can have an affect on this.

Quote:
You may want to disable KMS for various reasons, such as getting a blank screen. That is my problem.
Nvidia graphics card you need to add nouveau.modeset=0


Here is some info on KMS
https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/KernelModeSetting/

Still trying to figure out what is the difference between a kernel that does not have a problem and one that does.
But it does involve KMS and the nouveau driver kernel module.
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PostPosted: Mon 06 Nov 2017, 03:42    Post subject: icewm-xdgmenu fails to start libX11 wrong class  
Hi 666philb Smile

/usr/bin/icewm-xdgmenu is needed to convert the jwm main menu for the icewm window manager:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=797032#797032

icewm-xdgmenu fails to start on Xenialpup64-7.0.8.6 kernel 4.9.58
Code:
# icewm-xdgmenu: error while loading shared libraries: libX11.so.6: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64


whereas it works on Zestypup and Artfulpup with kernel 4.9.56 32 bits:
Code:
# icewm-xdgmenu
Creates a icewm menu from an XDG menu structure.
Usage:
  icewm-xdgmenu xdgmenufile

  xdgmenufile: Fully qualified path to the XDG menu file. This is a mandatory parameter

For example:
  icewm-xdgmenu "/etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu"


to invoke it from icewm, add a menuprog entry to the menu configuration file

  menuprog Title icon icewm-xdgmenu xdgmenufile
#


have browsed the web to find a fix without success Sad

thanks for any help to fix this
Charlie
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PostPosted: Thu 09 Nov 2017, 14:30    Post subject:  
HI Charlie6.

You said :
> " have browsed the web to find a fix without success Crying or Very sad "

You looked too far!!! It was under your nose ! Wink

IHTH.
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PostPosted: Fri 10 Nov 2017, 05:34    Post subject:  
musher0 wrote:
HI Charlie6.
You looked too far!!! ...
IHTH.

Hi Musher0 Very Happy
Bonjour ou bonsoir selon le cas Wink
Many thanks for your kind reply, but I already have installed your pet before writing the above post, without success.

Moreover, that pet needs open-office already installed (they are calls to open-office in the script), and till now, I could resist to install it.

Here have installed icewm 1.3.8 using PPM + the template file /etc/xdg/templates/_root_.icewm_menu + binary /usr/bin/icewm-xdgmenu;

On other Puppies, this procedure works straight after doing fixmenus in terminal and restart X, as explained in RSH's posts link above.

Posts on the web reports that «wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64» could be a problem of 32/64 bits compatibility
... fixing such issue is above my knowledges.

Best regards,
Charlie

last edited
I also have installed the 32bits libX11 lib without success: seems that icewm-xdgmenu does not see libX11 whatever its 32 or 64 bits version ...8
Code:
root# ldd /usr/bin/icewm-xdgmenu
   linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0xf76ea000)
   libX11.so.6 => not found
   libXpm.so.4 => not found
   libXext.so.6 => not found
   libgnome-menu.so.2 => not found
   libglib-2.0.so.0 => not found
   libc.so.6 => /lib32/libc.so.6 (0xf7517000)
   /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xf76eb000)
root#

although libgnome-menu.so.2 is present as also libXext.so.6 and libXpm.so.4 and libX11.so.6 ...???
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PostPosted: Fri 10 Nov 2017, 06:28    Post subject: Re: icewm-xdgmenu fails to start libX11 wrong class
Subject description: [SOLVED]		  
Hi, Very Happy
charlie6 wrote:
Hi 666philb Smile
/usr/bin/icewm-xdgmenu is needed to convert the jwm main menu for the icewm window manager:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=797032#797032
...Charlie


...Yep!...got it fixed !
here is how:
1) downloaded from Ubuntu-xenial 32 bits and installed libx11-6_1.6.3-1ubuntu2_i386.deb
2) run in console:
Code:
#ldconfig
AND WAIT till it's done !
3) as usual in RSH's post (see link in my first post above) run
Code:
# fixmenus

and it's done here you get all jmw main menus entries in the icewm main menu Razz Cool
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Lassar

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PostPosted: Fri 10 Nov 2017, 20:38    Post subject: Universal Installer fails on uefi drive  
Tried out the universal installer to dual boot my uefi pc, and it failed!

Wound up not being to boot windows 10.

Took most of the day to fix the boot problem.

I think the universal installer was only designed to work on mbr drives.

As more and more old computers are uefi pc's, this needs to be fixed.
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PostPosted: Fri 10 Nov 2017, 23:06    Post subject:  
artsown wrote:
Phil, please restore the option to select SNS instead of Frisbee.

I had the same problem so I used the SNS package out of woofCE to make this .pet

Cheers, J
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PostPosted: Fri 10 Nov 2017, 23:37    Post subject: Universal Installer need to be fix -- or withdrawn  
Lassar +1

"Took most of the day to fix the boot problem. Recurrent problem on Beginner's Subforum.

I think the universal installer was only designed to work on mbr drives. Correct. Crying or Very sad

As more and more old computers are uefi pc's, this needs to be fixed."

Or withdrawn. As far as I know, only Grub2 can be used to boot any Puppy from the hard-drive of a UEFI computer. Rufus can be used under Windows and Unetbootin under Linux and those aware of it can use Ted Dogs "No Format Install", http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=818727#818727, to create a bootable USB-Key. And Xenialpup64 sports a "UEFI-Installer --Flash Drives" on its Setup SubMenu. But to have an application install any Puppy to the hard-drive of a UEFI computer AND install a bootloader that bootloader has to be Grub2. Unfortunately, unlike our grub4dos, Grub2 does not automatically create the arguments needed to boot any Frugal Puppy, even one including the required signature. [I don't think it can boot a "Full Install" Puppy, either].

Rather than have newbies mislead into messing up their computers, if some easy way to have Puppy offer a Grub2 install can't be established, it would be better not to have a "Universal Installer".

Or, at least a clearly displayed warning that it can't be used with UEFi Computers.

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PostPosted: Sat 11 Nov 2017, 02:45    Post subject: Re: Universal Installer need to be fix -- or withdrawn  
mikeslr wrote:
Lassar +1

"Took most of the day to fix the boot problem. Recurrent problem on Beginner's Subforum.

I think the universal installer was only designed to work on mbr drives. Correct. Crying or Very sad

As more and more old computers are uefi pc's, this needs to be fixed."

Or withdrawn. As far as I know, only Grub2 can be used to boot any Puppy from the hard-drive of a UEFI computer. Rufus can be used under Windows and Unetbootin under Linux and those aware of it can use Ted Dogs "No Format Install", http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=818727#818727, to create a bootable USB-Key. And Xenialpup64 sports a "UEFI-Installer --Flash Drives" on its Setup SubMenu. But to have an application install any Puppy to the hard-drive of a UEFI computer AND install a bootloader that bootloader has to be Grub2. Unfortunately, unlike our grub4dos, Grub2 does not automatically create the arguments needed to boot any Frugal Puppy, even one including the required signature. [I don't think it can boot a "Full Install" Puppy, either].

Rather than have newbies mislead into messing up their computers, if some easy way to have Puppy offer a Grub2 install can't be established, it would be better not to have a "Universal Installer".

Or, at least a clearly displayed warning that it can't be used with UEFi Computers.

mikesLr[/i]


For what it's worth, three of my UEFI motherboards are happily booting Windows, Puppy, Gentoo etc, with good old Legacy Grub.

It could possibly vary according to the manufacturer of the mobo since all of mine are by Asus.

Have about 15 frugal installs on the hexacore. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat 11 Nov 2017, 17:03    Post subject: Re: Universal Installer fails on uefi drive  
Lassar wrote:
Tried out the universal installer to dual boot my uefi pc, and it failed!

Wound up not being to boot windows 10.

Took most of the day to fix the boot problem.

I think the universal installer was only designed to work on mbr drives.

As more and more old computers are uefi pc's, this needs to be fixed.

I don't think 7.0.8.6 has the stuff to boot uefi, but 7.0.8.5 does, based on names of the isos. I didn't look inside though Smile
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PostPosted: Sat 11 Nov 2017, 20:17    Post subject:  
The Xenialpup64 7.0.5-uefi.iso does contain the required efi.img. I don't have an uefi-computer, so can't tell you anything else beyond that it can be obtained here: http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/test/xenialpup/

And that it has been my primary operating system, working without issue.

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