One way to change it is to use pupx. If it's not in the menu -> Desktop, try just typing pupx in console to see this.DavidSpector wrote:1. The screen goes blank after ten minutes. The screensaver controls are not part of the fs that is saved on the hard disk, so any changes don't persist across system restarts. I don't need a screensaver because my modern monitor doesn't need one.
How to install Puppy via USB onto old Asus netbook?
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Hi DavidSpector,
Now that you have Tahrpup on your hard-drive and have created a SaveFile, its time to do a little exploring.
It may help you to know how Puppies work. This is my layman's view: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 192#862192
Obtaining applications not provided by Tarhpup's creator.
Rule # 1: Prefer applications already created by Puppy Fans if they exist. You can find them by searching the Additional Software Forum which is divided into Sections almost identical to those appearing on your Pup's Menu; or by typing the name of your operating system (i.e., tahrpup) + the name of the application (e.g. VNC) into this website's search box: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=015995643 ... #gsc.tab=0
Rule # 1.a. If the actual application isn't found, search for the category rather than the specific.
Rule # 2. Tahrpup is binary compatible with but not identical to Ubuntu Trusty Tahr. Menu>Setup>Puppy Package Manager, in addition to its own repositories, provides access to Ubuntu's repositories. If Tahrpup includes the Quickpet Application, it only provides access to applications built for Tahrpup. If an application isn't available via Quickpet, see Rule #1. Building applications using Ubuntu debs can be done, but it's an art. Post questions to the User's Forum.
For example, I'm not running Tahrpup (32 bit) having switched to Xenialpup. [Now that you have one Puppy, if you wanted you can easily add another -- one of the great advantages of not requiring an entire partition for each OS]. But, its very likely that similar applications are immediately available from Tahrpup. Perhaps not for the Asus, but now that you've got Tahrpup on a USB-Key, something to consider carrying around in your pocket.
Open Menu>Setup>Puppy Package Manager, Both Emacs and PHP are available for installation. Just type those names in the Search Box. I know nothing about them and the Search Box provides several choices. If and when you're interested in installing either into Tahrpup, you can either post a question on the "Users" Subforum, or Email me and I'll walk you through how I build applications using Puppy Package Manager and an application named PaDS, http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 359#658359
If you're unfamiliar with rox-filemanager watching this video is an easy way to discover its strengths and peculiarities. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_IUVF914O4
Frugal Puppies run in RAM and you only have 1 Gb. Suggest you read this post. Ask questions if you have any. http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 066#974066
We love questions. Unfortunately, the Forum is about a decade old, using software which can't be upgraded. So we try to maintain some semblance of order by more or less insisting (a) One question per THREAD and (b) they be posted in the most appropriate SubForum/Section/Thread. Doing so will enable people having similar questions to find answers already given.
The User's Section is probably the best place to post 'technical questions' and those about applications 'the general user' may be unfamiliar with.
Each version of Puppy usually has its own Thread, for example, Tahrpup's http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=96178 This would probably be the best place to ask questions specific to tahrpup, such as how to configure its screen saver, or why it's not working as it should.
Many applications have their own threads in the Addition Software Forum. And, if the application you're interested in doesn't, the Category it would fall under would be a good place to post questions, such as this one about TightVNC, http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 060#950060
If in doubt, remember this anecdote:
Judge to Prisoner: I sentence you to two life terms to be served consecutively.
Prisoner to Judge: I don't think I'll live that long.
Judge to Prisoner: Well, do the best you can.
mikesLr
Now that you have Tahrpup on your hard-drive and have created a SaveFile, its time to do a little exploring.
It may help you to know how Puppies work. This is my layman's view: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 192#862192
Obtaining applications not provided by Tarhpup's creator.
Rule # 1: Prefer applications already created by Puppy Fans if they exist. You can find them by searching the Additional Software Forum which is divided into Sections almost identical to those appearing on your Pup's Menu; or by typing the name of your operating system (i.e., tahrpup) + the name of the application (e.g. VNC) into this website's search box: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=015995643 ... #gsc.tab=0
Rule # 1.a. If the actual application isn't found, search for the category rather than the specific.
Rule # 2. Tahrpup is binary compatible with but not identical to Ubuntu Trusty Tahr. Menu>Setup>Puppy Package Manager, in addition to its own repositories, provides access to Ubuntu's repositories. If Tahrpup includes the Quickpet Application, it only provides access to applications built for Tahrpup. If an application isn't available via Quickpet, see Rule #1. Building applications using Ubuntu debs can be done, but it's an art. Post questions to the User's Forum.
For example, I'm not running Tahrpup (32 bit) having switched to Xenialpup. [Now that you have one Puppy, if you wanted you can easily add another -- one of the great advantages of not requiring an entire partition for each OS]. But, its very likely that similar applications are immediately available from Tahrpup. Perhaps not for the Asus, but now that you've got Tahrpup on a USB-Key, something to consider carrying around in your pocket.
Open Menu>Setup>Puppy Package Manager, Both Emacs and PHP are available for installation. Just type those names in the Search Box. I know nothing about them and the Search Box provides several choices. If and when you're interested in installing either into Tahrpup, you can either post a question on the "Users" Subforum, or Email me and I'll walk you through how I build applications using Puppy Package Manager and an application named PaDS, http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 359#658359
If you're unfamiliar with rox-filemanager watching this video is an easy way to discover its strengths and peculiarities. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_IUVF914O4
Frugal Puppies run in RAM and you only have 1 Gb. Suggest you read this post. Ask questions if you have any. http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 066#974066
We love questions. Unfortunately, the Forum is about a decade old, using software which can't be upgraded. So we try to maintain some semblance of order by more or less insisting (a) One question per THREAD and (b) they be posted in the most appropriate SubForum/Section/Thread. Doing so will enable people having similar questions to find answers already given.
The User's Section is probably the best place to post 'technical questions' and those about applications 'the general user' may be unfamiliar with.
Each version of Puppy usually has its own Thread, for example, Tahrpup's http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=96178 This would probably be the best place to ask questions specific to tahrpup, such as how to configure its screen saver, or why it's not working as it should.
Many applications have their own threads in the Addition Software Forum. And, if the application you're interested in doesn't, the Category it would fall under would be a good place to post questions, such as this one about TightVNC, http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 060#950060
If in doubt, remember this anecdote:
Judge to Prisoner: I sentence you to two life terms to be served consecutively.
Prisoner to Judge: I don't think I'll live that long.
Judge to Prisoner: Well, do the best you can.
mikesLr
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DavidSpector
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mikeslr, thank you for all these details. I will put them on a bookmark so I can refer to them into the future.
I'm sorry to hear that frugal puppies such as Tahrpup cannot be upgraded. But they are certainly full of functionality, especially for beginners who just want to browse, like my wife.
She came home from her long trip to her relatives and wanted to see Linux, so I showed her how Pale Moon works just like Firefox, and she used LastPass to read her email (which comes from gmail through her school portal). It worked the first time she tried it, and she could read an email by clicking it and only waiting 100 msec or less. With Firefox under Windows XP that simple operation had taken a minute or so. She is happy.
David
I'm sorry to hear that frugal puppies such as Tahrpup cannot be upgraded. But they are certainly full of functionality, especially for beginners who just want to browse, like my wife.
She came home from her long trip to her relatives and wanted to see Linux, so I showed her how Pale Moon works just like Firefox, and she used LastPass to read her email (which comes from gmail through her school portal). It worked the first time she tried it, and she could read an email by clicking it and only waiting 100 msec or less. With Firefox under Windows XP that simple operation had taken a minute or so. She is happy.
David
Upgrading a Puppy Version
Hi DavidSpector,
Although there is no "one-button" you can click to upgrade a Puppy to a newer model, for at least the last four years Puppies employ a modular design making it relatively easy to upgrade if and when you want to.
If you examine the files you installed you'll find:
Initrd.gz -- the initial RAM Disk containing instructions as to what files to copy into RAM.
Vmlinuz -- the kernel, essentially the engine/operating system.
zdrv_xxx --- the firmware which, being kernel specific, must correspond to the vmlinuz
puppy_tahr_xxx.sfs -- the applications 666philb chose to include in his Puppy.
There are available packages containing newer vmlinuz and zdrv_xxx.sfses you can almost just drop in, replacing the originals. You have to rename the file which will be zdrv_xxx.sfs.
Or, you can just 'flinch' them from another Puppy. For a creative example of doing that see: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 629#977629
Many applications are published as SFSes --Squashed File Systems-- which are loaded rather than installed. When a new version is available, you can unload the old, load the new and test it. If there's a problem you can just unload the new, load the old and wait for the next-newer publication.
Many applications are now being published by "Independents" as AppImages. You just place them anywhere on your hard-drive and click them to run them. Again, easily upgrade-able when a newer version becomes available.
And see my email regarding the VNC which may be functional on your system and run from a folder on your Home Partition. If so, it will run as a "Program Folder" on /mnt/home, essentially a portable. Again, easily upgrade-able.
SFSes include /usr/share/applications/xxx.desktops, a file which creates a menu entry. As for the others, you can just drag them (or just their executable) to the deskop, creating a short-cut. Or you can create your own xxx.desktop file.
Lastly, with 160 Gbs to work with, adding a newer Puppy would be 'a piece of cake'. Try it. If it's more suitable than you old, delete your old. If not, delete your new, or keep both.
But the fact is that there are only three types of applications which are worth upgrading: (a) Those which you use pursuing a special interest in some endeavor; (b) Web-browsers, because websites can be finicky; and (c) security because the Web is a scary place. So it pays now and then to see what's being discussed and what's now available on the Additional Software Forum's "Browsers and Internet", "Security and Privacy" and such other sections in which you may have a special interest. Everything else just adds "Bells and Whistles" you'll probably not know are there.
mikesLr
Although there is no "one-button" you can click to upgrade a Puppy to a newer model, for at least the last four years Puppies employ a modular design making it relatively easy to upgrade if and when you want to.
If you examine the files you installed you'll find:
Initrd.gz -- the initial RAM Disk containing instructions as to what files to copy into RAM.
Vmlinuz -- the kernel, essentially the engine/operating system.
zdrv_xxx --- the firmware which, being kernel specific, must correspond to the vmlinuz
puppy_tahr_xxx.sfs -- the applications 666philb chose to include in his Puppy.
There are available packages containing newer vmlinuz and zdrv_xxx.sfses you can almost just drop in, replacing the originals. You have to rename the file which will be zdrv_xxx.sfs.
Or, you can just 'flinch' them from another Puppy. For a creative example of doing that see: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 629#977629
Many applications are published as SFSes --Squashed File Systems-- which are loaded rather than installed. When a new version is available, you can unload the old, load the new and test it. If there's a problem you can just unload the new, load the old and wait for the next-newer publication.
Many applications are now being published by "Independents" as AppImages. You just place them anywhere on your hard-drive and click them to run them. Again, easily upgrade-able when a newer version becomes available.
And see my email regarding the VNC which may be functional on your system and run from a folder on your Home Partition. If so, it will run as a "Program Folder" on /mnt/home, essentially a portable. Again, easily upgrade-able.
SFSes include /usr/share/applications/xxx.desktops, a file which creates a menu entry. As for the others, you can just drag them (or just their executable) to the deskop, creating a short-cut. Or you can create your own xxx.desktop file.
Lastly, with 160 Gbs to work with, adding a newer Puppy would be 'a piece of cake'. Try it. If it's more suitable than you old, delete your old. If not, delete your new, or keep both.
But the fact is that there are only three types of applications which are worth upgrading: (a) Those which you use pursuing a special interest in some endeavor; (b) Web-browsers, because websites can be finicky; and (c) security because the Web is a scary place. So it pays now and then to see what's being discussed and what's now available on the Additional Software Forum's "Browsers and Internet", "Security and Privacy" and such other sections in which you may have a special interest. Everything else just adds "Bells and Whistles" you'll probably not know are there.
mikesLr
Why should you reformat the partition on the hard drive to a Linux format.
Simple answer.
Puppy installed on a Linux format (ext 2, 3, or 4) will already be running in a Linux file system.
It will not have to use a program to convert files from Linux to a Windows file system and back and forth.
Also, there are things that can be done in a Linux file system that can not be done in a Windows file system.
Puppy works OK on a Fat 32 file system.
It is designed to do that.
But it takes added layers of programs to make it work.
On a Linux format it does not need extra stuff to work.
If you are going to install Tahrpup to the hard drive and only have Tahrpup on it.
Why would you want it to have to work under a Windows file system and not a Linux one.
Only one reason.
You still want Windows to be able to use the hard drive.
Simple answer.
Puppy installed on a Linux format (ext 2, 3, or 4) will already be running in a Linux file system.
It will not have to use a program to convert files from Linux to a Windows file system and back and forth.
Also, there are things that can be done in a Linux file system that can not be done in a Windows file system.
Puppy works OK on a Fat 32 file system.
It is designed to do that.
But it takes added layers of programs to make it work.
On a Linux format it does not need extra stuff to work.
If you are going to install Tahrpup to the hard drive and only have Tahrpup on it.
Why would you want it to have to work under a Windows file system and not a Linux one.
Only one reason.
You still want Windows to be able to use the hard drive.
The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
Screen going black problem.
There is also the power saving for using on laptops. That may be what is kicking in after so long of no use.
To be honest, I never see this problem, but I do not leave a computer unused for long periods.
Understand this. If you put the save on a partition that Windows used. There is a good chance the file system is fragmented. Windows defrag program has to be used to defrag it.
Puppy stuff stored on a Windows fragmented file system wil not always work, because of the fragmentation of the files.
Linux file systems, for all practical purposes, do not fragment.
There is also the power saving for using on laptops. That may be what is kicking in after so long of no use.
To be honest, I never see this problem, but I do not leave a computer unused for long periods.
Understand this. If you put the save on a partition that Windows used. There is a good chance the file system is fragmented. Windows defrag program has to be used to defrag it.
Puppy stuff stored on a Windows fragmented file system wil not always work, because of the fragmentation of the files.
Linux file systems, for all practical purposes, do not fragment.
The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
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DavidSpector
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Having had so much success with one Asus HE1000 netbook, I decided to try another one that I sometimes use. This time I put the files tahr-6.0.5_PAE.iso and unetbootin-windows-657.exe directly on the USB flash disk drive and ran unetbootin from the flash drive to create the Linux files and the boot files.
When I booted to the flash drive, after a few seconds it gave me an error message: "puppy_tahr_6.0.5.sfs not found", and gave me a Linux prompt.
I rebooted and pressed F2 to get help, but nothing seemed likely.
I'll try again, this time starting with the two files on my Windows computer, but this seems like a strange sort of error to happen just because there were two extra files on the USB drive. I'll bet it makes perfect sense to someone here.
PS - Happy holidays to all! *Snowflake lazily falling*
When I booted to the flash drive, after a few seconds it gave me an error message: "puppy_tahr_6.0.5.sfs not found", and gave me a Linux prompt.
I rebooted and pressed F2 to get help, but nothing seemed likely.
I'll try again, this time starting with the two files on my Windows computer, but this seems like a strange sort of error to happen just because there were two extra files on the USB drive. I'll bet it makes perfect sense to someone here.
PS - Happy holidays to all! *Snowflake lazily falling*
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Sailor Enceladus
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I would install Unetbootin to the Hard Drive, not the USB, then right-click on the usb in Windows and format it as fat32 so it's a fresh empty partition, then use Unetbootin to install Puppy to the USB. Then before booting into the USB, I would make sure the boot flag on the USB is set (you can do this with Rufus or GParted or maybe something already in Windows).
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Sailor Enceladus,
I thought I already said this earlier: I ran Unetbootin on the hard drive of my Windows 8.1 computer, not on the USB drive.
The USB drive came from the manufacturer formatted in FAT32.
I've never heard of a boot flag on a USB drive, so clearly I don't know how to set it.
Hope this helps. Currently, I'm trying out EasyPeasy, which comes with lots of promises.
I thought I already said this earlier: I ran Unetbootin on the hard drive of my Windows 8.1 computer, not on the USB drive.
The USB drive came from the manufacturer formatted in FAT32.
I've never heard of a boot flag on a USB drive, so clearly I don't know how to set it.
Hope this helps. Currently, I'm trying out EasyPeasy, which comes with lots of promises.
I was recently given a new 2 gig usb....
obviously never used in a box.
Unfortunately it had an error.
Puppy couldn't fix it to boot...it could not even format it...unusual.
All my Windows apps couldn't fix it to boot, although Windows did
format it.
20 minutes lost trying to fix this loser.
The reason I persisted was my 16 gig usb was missing in action.
Of course the next day it showed up in a drawer.
Anyway I tried an old version of RMPrepUSB
Winner.
It booted in my troublesome HP laptop...an on all my PCs and laptops.
There is even a video on the site.
As usual >>> take care when using any formatter.
https://www.rmprepusb.com/
I am running 3 pups on it.
Puppy Can Bike >> a remaster of Precise Puppy 5.7.1.
https://www.canbike.org/off-topic/linux ... 5-4-3.html
Woof CE Debian Stretch by ttuuxxx
a personal favourite of mine.
Downloads...
http://smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/WoofCe/
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=109789
Dpup Stretch CE Release Candidate..... by Radky
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=112125
All are running fine on one usb.
Chris.
obviously never used in a box.
Unfortunately it had an error.
Puppy couldn't fix it to boot...it could not even format it...unusual.
All my Windows apps couldn't fix it to boot, although Windows did
format it.
20 minutes lost trying to fix this loser.
The reason I persisted was my 16 gig usb was missing in action.
Of course the next day it showed up in a drawer.
Anyway I tried an old version of RMPrepUSB
Winner.
It booted in my troublesome HP laptop...an on all my PCs and laptops.
There is even a video on the site.
As usual >>> take care when using any formatter.
https://www.rmprepusb.com/
I am running 3 pups on it.
Puppy Can Bike >> a remaster of Precise Puppy 5.7.1.
https://www.canbike.org/off-topic/linux ... 5-4-3.html
Woof CE Debian Stretch by ttuuxxx
a personal favourite of mine.
Downloads...
http://smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/WoofCe/
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=109789
Dpup Stretch CE Release Candidate..... by Radky
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=112125
All are running fine on one usb.
Chris.
It is probably already flagged as boot.The USB drive came from the manufacturer formatted in FAT32.
Manufactures usually do that as part of the formatting to fat32.
They do not want people calling them complaining it will not boot an OPS. They use fat32 format for the same reason. Everything knows how to use fat32 format.
That would seem to me that the netbook that is having problems may have something going bad with the hardware in it.Having had so much success with one Asus HE1000 netbook, I decided to try another one that I sometimes use.
Your statement says it works OK on one HE1000 netbook, but not a different one?
About having trouble making a save.
How much free space is on the USB flash drive?
The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
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I checked the last Puppy USB stick I had made (July 2016DavidSpector wrote:The USB drive came from the manufacturer formatted in FAT32.
I've never heard of a boot flag on a USB drive, so clearly I don't know how to set it.
). It did have the boot flag set. When I unset it, the message I got was "Missing operating system" then it ignored the USB and went to Hard Drive, so I guess it was a BIOS message. Guessing bigpup is probably right and this isn't your problem, you can check if the boot flag is there in GParted (screenshots below). I would also try reformatting the USB partition(s) before installing puppy to it just in case. Like cthisbear I have a 16GB flash stick that didn't boot puppy/linux/dos/anything too, though my smaller usb stick did on the same machine, I am curious now to check these 2 things and maybe try rmprepusb on it. Might need to copy the 16GB of music off of it before doing more testing (so far I see the 16GB one claims it's a USB 2.0 stick, and my drive is apparently 1.1, and it has both boot and lba flags set).- Attachments
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Results: Puppy sometimes, EasyPeasy others
"How much free space is on the USB flash drive?"
8 GB, a brand new USB drive. However, I just tried formatting a similar drive that Linux had made two partitions on and got a generic error message from Windows stating failure. Perhaps China is giving us marginal hardware. Or maybe putting Linux partitions on a drive ruins it for Windows.
ADDED:
But on the other hand, I've been able to format another flash drive that did not have a Linux partition on it. That is suggestive.
But, on the other hand, I've had phenomenal success with live EasyPeasy. Turns out that because it comes from Ubuntu, it always Saves automatically but one must specify some free space in unetbootin. Once I did that my customizations saved and I became a happy camper with EasyPeasy. There is NO current help for EasyPeasy, but it comes with many apps and experimentation is in my blood.
So, overall, Puppy 0, EasyPeasy 1 in soccer scores for one Asus 1000HE. My wife's 1000HE, however, continues running Pale Moon fast and (except for rare generic error messages from Pale Moon that resolve when the web page is reloaded) she is totally happy with Puppy, giving Puppy a score of 1 on that computer.
8 GB, a brand new USB drive. However, I just tried formatting a similar drive that Linux had made two partitions on and got a generic error message from Windows stating failure. Perhaps China is giving us marginal hardware. Or maybe putting Linux partitions on a drive ruins it for Windows.
ADDED:
But on the other hand, I've been able to format another flash drive that did not have a Linux partition on it. That is suggestive.
But, on the other hand, I've had phenomenal success with live EasyPeasy. Turns out that because it comes from Ubuntu, it always Saves automatically but one must specify some free space in unetbootin. Once I did that my customizations saved and I became a happy camper with EasyPeasy. There is NO current help for EasyPeasy, but it comes with many apps and experimentation is in my blood.
So, overall, Puppy 0, EasyPeasy 1 in soccer scores for one Asus 1000HE. My wife's 1000HE, however, continues running Pale Moon fast and (except for rare generic error messages from Pale Moon that resolve when the web page is reloaded) she is totally happy with Puppy, giving Puppy a score of 1 on that computer.
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Sailor Enceladus
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Yes! Removing the factory created FAT32 partition with GParted, then creating a new FAT32 partition with GParted in it's place, then adding the boot flag to it, then installing Puppy onto the usb did fix it, and now this 16GB flash drive can boot puppy. It could not boot puppy with the original factory FAT32 partition, it would always say "Missing operating system" when Puppy was installed to it. I have two USB 16GB sticks by the same company (Nexxtech) that are like this. The FAT32 partition needs to be deleted, and replaced with one created by GParted. I'm not crazy, this is a real thing! (for anyone who has any doubts, I can prove it on the 2nd one, which has still not been reformatted yet). All FAT32 partitions are not created equal apparently.Sailor Enceladus wrote:I would also try reformatting the USB partition(s) before installing puppy to it just in case. Like cthisbear I have a 16GB flash stick that didn't boot puppy/linux/dos/anything too, though my smaller usb stick did on the same machine, I am curious now to check these 2 things and maybe try rmprepusb on it. Might need to copy the 16GB of music off of it before doing more testing (so far I see the 16GB one claims it's a USB 2.0 stick, and my drive is apparently 1.1, and it has both boot and lba flags set).
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DavidSpector
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USB drives are special
'All FAT32 partitions are not created equal apparently."
Oh, I already knew that. Also, and I'm not sure if this is the reason, USB drives have hidden memory containing programming to rotate the 4096-byte blocks through address translationi so that writing is done evenly across all the available space. Without this programming, even the heavy use of a small amount of memory would rather quickly ruin the drive. With that programming, the same situation could be maintained successfully almost forever.
Oh, I already knew that. Also, and I'm not sure if this is the reason, USB drives have hidden memory containing programming to rotate the 4096-byte blocks through address translationi so that writing is done evenly across all the available space. Without this programming, even the heavy use of a small amount of memory would rather quickly ruin the drive. With that programming, the same situation could be maintained successfully almost forever.
Windows has to have a special program installed to be able to access Linux formats.
Just like Linux needs a special program to access Windows formats.
Puppy comes with that program for Linux.
With USB flash drives.
There are some really bad ones out there being passed off as quality products.
If you are dealing with buying stuff in China.
I wish you luck finding the good ones!!
It simply deletes the info on where that stuff is and starts fresh with no location info.
When you put data on the drive. It is suppose to overwrite anything there with new code.
Key word suppose to!!
If that old code is very close to the code you are writing to that location on the drive.
That can sometimes cause problems.
The writing process thinks the code is already there and does not change it to the new code.
This is what sometimes can happen.
Key word can happen, but thankfully, not very often.
Also, deleting something only deletes the info on where it is on the drive. The old data code is still there until it is overwritten by other data code.
Putting different versions of Puppy on a drive and deleting them. Is basically putting very similar code into the same place on the drive.
I have had drives I had to write all 1 or 0 to the drive.
This did delete the old data.
Just like Linux needs a special program to access Windows formats.
Puppy comes with that program for Linux.
With USB flash drives.
There are some really bad ones out there being passed off as quality products.
If you are dealing with buying stuff in China.
I wish you luck finding the good ones!!
When you partition or format you do not delete data that is already on the drive.'All FAT32 partitions are not created equal apparently."
It simply deletes the info on where that stuff is and starts fresh with no location info.
When you put data on the drive. It is suppose to overwrite anything there with new code.
Key word suppose to!!
If that old code is very close to the code you are writing to that location on the drive.
That can sometimes cause problems.
The writing process thinks the code is already there and does not change it to the new code.
This is what sometimes can happen.
Key word can happen, but thankfully, not very often.
Also, deleting something only deletes the info on where it is on the drive. The old data code is still there until it is overwritten by other data code.
Putting different versions of Puppy on a drive and deleting them. Is basically putting very similar code into the same place on the drive.
I have had drives I had to write all 1 or 0 to the drive.
This did delete the old data.
The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
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