USB-Mouse not working in Slacko 6.3 after HD install
Thanks Rimatheou - that confirms that the missing mouse is not caused by overflowing the RAM - the HDD boot uses less RAM than the USB boot (not what I expected...).
I reckon Slacko would have been a good puppy to use on that laptop - but if you need to boot from HDD then I think you will have to move away from Slacko as I think Slackos have some sort of hardware timing issue when trying to detect usb mice during boot (something I have experienced intermittently on my Slacko installs).
Now that you have got usb multi-boot sorted I think you may have to be adventurous and try a whole bunch of different puppies - look for a puppy modern enough to have a kernel that supports your hardware (trial and error) but old enough to be small and easy on RAM.
There is one other thing that is critical in order to make the most of your tiny RAM - you should set up a swap partition of approx 2GB if possible. Make this partition on HDD if possible - but if you are unable to use HDD for swap then make a fast usb stick with one big swap partition and plug it in as soon as the bootloader starts loading puppy.
There are lots of possible puppies that might be ok for your machine but here are a few options to try:
(set up the swap partition first...)
Saluki NOP
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 4628b33b55
download:
http://download.tuxfamily.org/nop/
Quirky/Racy 5.5
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 113#689113
Download:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/racy-5.5/
Wary mediaplayer edition
http://45.33.15.200/puppy/viewtopic.php ... 317783ce10
Download:
http://www.smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/Wary/Cu ... layers.iso
Unicornpup
http://45.33.15.200/puppy/viewtopic.php ... 317783ce10
Download:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2071hgqycf1o ... iZxHa?dl=0
(Marv said "In summary, it's just as at home on a thoroughly modern Intel based motherboard as it is on the 2004 era Pentium M laptop"
http://45.33.15.200/puppy/viewtopic.php ... e10#817096
I reckon Slacko would have been a good puppy to use on that laptop - but if you need to boot from HDD then I think you will have to move away from Slacko as I think Slackos have some sort of hardware timing issue when trying to detect usb mice during boot (something I have experienced intermittently on my Slacko installs).
Now that you have got usb multi-boot sorted I think you may have to be adventurous and try a whole bunch of different puppies - look for a puppy modern enough to have a kernel that supports your hardware (trial and error) but old enough to be small and easy on RAM.
There is one other thing that is critical in order to make the most of your tiny RAM - you should set up a swap partition of approx 2GB if possible. Make this partition on HDD if possible - but if you are unable to use HDD for swap then make a fast usb stick with one big swap partition and plug it in as soon as the bootloader starts loading puppy.
There are lots of possible puppies that might be ok for your machine but here are a few options to try:
(set up the swap partition first...)
Saluki NOP
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 4628b33b55
download:
http://download.tuxfamily.org/nop/
Quirky/Racy 5.5
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 113#689113
Download:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/racy-5.5/
Wary mediaplayer edition
http://45.33.15.200/puppy/viewtopic.php ... 317783ce10
Download:
http://www.smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/Wary/Cu ... layers.iso
Unicornpup
http://45.33.15.200/puppy/viewtopic.php ... 317783ce10
Download:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2071hgqycf1o ... iZxHa?dl=0
(Marv said "In summary, it's just as at home on a thoroughly modern Intel based motherboard as it is on the 2004 era Pentium M laptop"
http://45.33.15.200/puppy/viewtopic.php ... e10#817096
@ bigpup
Before I installed Puppy to HD, I made the HD completely new: I made two primary partitions (os1 and os2), one extended with one logical (data) and a swap partition (512MB). The first primary partition (sda1) was newly formatted in ext3. This is where Puppy is installed to. I now made a file system check with gparted, but no errors were found.
Before I installed Puppy to HD, I made the HD completely new: I made two primary partitions (os1 and os2), one extended with one logical (data) and a swap partition (512MB). The first primary partition (sda1) was newly formatted in ext3. This is where Puppy is installed to. I now made a file system check with gparted, but no errors were found.
@ bigpup
There is no on/off switch for wireless. I have Fn+F9 for switching on/off, but this is a windows command. The jvc laptop is in the same room as the router. There is a Xubuntu Laptop besides the jvc, that is connected via wlan.
There is no on/off switch for wireless. I have Fn+F9 for switching on/off, but this is a windows command. The jvc laptop is in the same room as the router. There is a Xubuntu Laptop besides the jvc, that is connected via wlan.
My ESSID didn't come up. I see two wireless networks, but not mine. => Booted from usb Slacko5.6. The wlan led is not lightening.Step 4: Select Scan and your ESSID should come up.
You might want to try Carolina 1.2, http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 241#656241 a continuation of Saluki after jemimah, its dev, left. I'm not sure your computer would be able to manage the newer glibcs of 1.3. Something to try later. These OSes are forks of Racy.
Although the ISOs of Saluki and Carolina are large, these are very modular OSes. The ISO contain an adrv_sfs which contain all 'user' applications, except for geany and another small application. If you move the adrv_sfs into a folder where it won't be found on bootup --or even delete it-- they will still boot to desktop using little RAM, and having builtin applications to access their Repos so that you can install pets, create SFSes and built your own custom adrv.
You might also want to try frisbee as wifi manager. I've found that on some puppy-hardware-combinations frisbee will find networks when SNS can't, and vice-versa. Others have also had similar experiences. It's one of the reasons both are included.
mikesLr
Although the ISOs of Saluki and Carolina are large, these are very modular OSes. The ISO contain an adrv_sfs which contain all 'user' applications, except for geany and another small application. If you move the adrv_sfs into a folder where it won't be found on bootup --or even delete it-- they will still boot to desktop using little RAM, and having builtin applications to access their Repos so that you can install pets, create SFSes and built your own custom adrv.
You might also want to try frisbee as wifi manager. I've found that on some puppy-hardware-combinations frisbee will find networks when SNS can't, and vice-versa. Others have also had similar experiences. It's one of the reasons both are included.
mikesLr
With regard to the laptop not seeing your wlan I would suggest the following options:rimatheou wrote:The jvc laptop is in the same room as the router. There is a Xubuntu Laptop besides the jvc, that is connected via wlan.
My ESSID didn't come up. I see two wireless networks, but not mine.
- Try turning off the xubuntu laptop while you boot the JVC in case there is some interference.
- Try temporarily changing the security setting in your router. Most routers will let you select open, WEP or possibly also old style WPA.
- Are you able to borrow a USB type wifi adapter to plug in to the JVC? Or maybe a pcmcia cardbus style wifi adapter? (as far as I can tell your JVC does have a cardbus slot). It would be interesting to know if a different wifi interface had the same issue with not seeing your network.
Is there anything unusual about your router settings? eg set for hidden ESSID or something like that?
Do these links match your JVC specs?
http://www.small-laptops.com/jvc-mp-xv8 ... mini-note/
http://salestores.com/jvcmpxv8.html
Have you tried them anyway?There is no on/off switch for wireless. I have Fn+F9 for switching on/off,
The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
This is what I see in the client logbook (router menu):
hmmm... Puppy is known to the router, but the SSID is not known to Puppy (when I boot from USB).
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ip=192.168.2.106 mac=00-80-88-03-0E-3B name=puppypc18902
[...]
@ mikeslr
Carolina with xfce needs
That's too much!
Carolina with xfce needs
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 241#656241a bit more ram and cpu than the standard ROX/Jwm puppy - probably at least 512MB of ram and 1GHz CPU for decent performance.
That's too much!
I also have ongoing mouse problems (non-wireless). For me, it's in RU Xerus (quirky) and usually happens when I am push the computer's resources ....
such as when I'm using WoofQ to build.....
Sometimes, plugging into a new port works, sometimes it doesn't. I use a 4 port USB extension, which may be part of the issue. Still, I think there's something deeper going on here; Woof code or maybe a generic driver that's older than the hills.
I'm going to try to dig into this deeper in RU Xerus. We'll see...
such as when I'm using WoofQ to build.....
Sometimes, plugging into a new port works, sometimes it doesn't. I use a 4 port USB extension, which may be part of the issue. Still, I think there's something deeper going on here; Woof code or maybe a generic driver that's older than the hills.
I'm going to try to dig into this deeper in RU Xerus. We'll see...
Hi Rimatheou, were you relatively happy with the mouse performance of the last Lupu you tried?
If I read your results correctly Lupu seemed ok except not good at detecting wireless networks. I think it would be good to look at the wifi problems more closely using Lupu.
Bigpup suggested some Network Wizard troubleshooting steps here and that would be one of the possible ways for us to collect information.
There are also other tools that will let us work out what puppy sees when it looks for your wifi. Is it worth focussing on Lupu now or do you still want recommendations for other puppies to try? (the larger swap partition should open up the opportunity to try some other puppies if you want).
If I read your results correctly Lupu seemed ok except not good at detecting wireless networks. I think it would be good to look at the wifi problems more closely using Lupu.
Bigpup suggested some Network Wizard troubleshooting steps here and that would be one of the possible ways for us to collect information.
There are also other tools that will let us work out what puppy sees when it looks for your wifi. Is it worth focussing on Lupu now or do you still want recommendations for other puppies to try? (the larger swap partition should open up the opportunity to try some other puppies if you want).
Hi Greengeek, I decided to use lupu 528. Mouse perfomance is good. Now I go through the steps Bigpup wrote. After step 3 (Select Wireless in the Configure wireless network box) I get this message:
I clicked on 'Add to List'. Then prism2_usb was added to the configuration file /etc/network-wizard/wpa_modules and the wpa supplicant driver wext was also added.
I continued with step 4 (Scan...) => no wireless networks were found.
Switching encryption to WEP in the router menu => no networks were detected.
Switching to no encryption => no networks were detected.
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Note: The interface you have slected uses the prism2_usb module, which is not included in our list of modules supporting WPA encryption.
However, if you know for a fact that it does support WPA, or wish to test if it does [...], click the 'Add To list' button. This will add the module to a configuration file for future use.
I continued with step 4 (Scan...) => no wireless networks were found.
Switching encryption to WEP in the router menu => no networks were detected.
Switching to no encryption => no networks were detected.
I wonder if the module being loaded by Lupu is faulty.
Your post here http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 251#979251 shows that Slacko 5.6 identified your wlan hardware as a usb device with id of 04f1:3009 which is made by the Victor Company of Japan, Ltd and is known as a MP-XP7250 WLAN Adapter. (also see P2 of the pdf I link below)
Your post above says that the driver module (prism2_usb) being loaded for that adapter does not have WPA capability.
This pdf: http://www.iwaniwanowitsch.net/Home/Inf ... %20usb.pdf has more info and says the same thing - that the prism2_usb driver lacks WPA support. This implies that your wifi network is wpa and that is why it is not beeing seen.
That pdf suggests that there may be other ways to blacklist prism2_usb and use a different driver module. I have never used blacklisting so i can't help you achieve that. The next question is what alternative module might support WPA on that hardware?
I do have a suggestion - could you boot Slacko again and enter the command:
lsmod
so that we can confirm what module Slacko was loading to that card.
(maybe post the Lupu output of lsmod also?)
Your post here http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 251#979251 shows that Slacko 5.6 identified your wlan hardware as a usb device with id of 04f1:3009 which is made by the Victor Company of Japan, Ltd and is known as a MP-XP7250 WLAN Adapter. (also see P2 of the pdf I link below)
Your post above says that the driver module (prism2_usb) being loaded for that adapter does not have WPA capability.
This pdf: http://www.iwaniwanowitsch.net/Home/Inf ... %20usb.pdf has more info and says the same thing - that the prism2_usb driver lacks WPA support. This implies that your wifi network is wpa and that is why it is not beeing seen.
That pdf suggests that there may be other ways to blacklist prism2_usb and use a different driver module. I have never used blacklisting so i can't help you achieve that. The next question is what alternative module might support WPA on that hardware?
I do have a suggestion - could you boot Slacko again and enter the command:
lsmod
so that we can confirm what module Slacko was loading to that card.
(maybe post the Lupu output of lsmod also?)
lsmod from Slacko5.6
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Module Size Used by
nls_cp850 3714 0
sis 3701 1
sisfb 177990 2 sis
drm 138414 2 sis
snd_intel8x0m 8068 5
snd_trident 22750 0
snd_ac97_codec 76611 2 snd_trident,snd_intel8x0m
snd_util_mem 1484 1 snd_trident
snd_mpu401_uart 3920 1 snd_trident
snd_pcm_oss 26791 0
snd_mixer_oss 9732 1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm 47637 6 snd_pcm_oss,snd_ac97_codec,snd_trident,snd_intel8x0m
snd_page_alloc 4714 3 snd_pcm,snd_trident,snd_intel8x0m
gameport 5105 2 snd_trident
snd_seq_dummy 916 0
snd_seq_oss 18988 0
pcspkr 1236 0
snd_seq_midi 3217 0
snd_seq_midi_event 3589 2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
snd_rawmidi 12106 2 snd_mpu401_uart,snd_seq_midi
snd_seq 32274 6 snd_seq_midi_event,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_midi
firewire_ohci 22239 0
firewire_core 34794 1 firewire_ohci
snd_timer 11582 2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
snd_seq_device 3517 5 snd_seq,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_midi
snd 34138 20 snd_pcm_oss,snd_ac97_codec,snd_timer,snd_pcm,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_oss,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_seq_device,snd_mixer_oss,snd_trident,snd_intel8x0m
shpchp 17978 0
soundcore 3243 1 snd
ac97_bus 707 1 snd_ac97_codec
sis900 14083 0
battery 8789 0
i2c_sis630 3200 0
i2c_core 12576 2 drm,i2c_sis630
sis_agp 2970 1
agpgart 17718 2 drm,sis_agp
fan 1719 0
thermal 6128 0
evdev 6399 0
acpi_cpufreq 4274 0
mperf 796 1 acpi_cpufreq
asus_laptop 13347 0
processor 22544 1 acpi_cpufreq
sparse_keymap 1929 1 asus_laptop
input_polldev 1747 1 asus_laptop
thermal_sys 9583 3 fan,thermal,processor
button 3351 0
ac 2356 0
hwmon 874 1 thermal_sys
rfkill 10038 1 asus_laptop
fuse 47659 0
aufs 122975 41
squashfs 18738 1
yenta_socket 15841 0
lsmod from lupu528
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Module Size Used by
drm 106327 0
snd_trident 22686 0
snd_util_mem 1464 1 snd_trident
snd_mpu401_uart 3899 1 snd_trident
prism2_usb 144361 0
gameport 5717 2 snd_trident
snd_seq_dummy 907 0
snd_intel8x0m 7948 5
snd_ac97_codec 75789 2 snd_trident,snd_intel8x0m
ac97_bus 686 1 snd_ac97_codec
snd_seq_oss 18888 0
snd_pcm_oss 26845 0
snd_seq_midi 3156 0
snd_seq_midi_event 3592 2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
snd_mixer_oss 9963 1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm 45385 6 snd_trident,snd_intel8x0m,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
snd_rawmidi 11924 2 snd_mpu401_uart,snd_seq_midi
snd_page_alloc 4645 3 snd_trident,snd_intel8x0m,snd_pcm
snd_seq 32379 6 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_seq_device 3601 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
snd_timer 11986 2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
ohci1394 20716 0
snd 30859 20 snd_trident,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_intel8x0m,snd_ac97_codec,snd_seq_oss,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_timer
ieee1394 50116 1 ohci1394
soundcore 3403 1 snd
fan 2478 0
sis_agp 3121 1
i2c_sis630 3358 0
agpgart 18904 2 drm,sis_agp
pcspkr 1179 0
i2c_core 11497 2 drm,i2c_sis630
sis900 13650 0
mii 2650 1 sis900
battery 7164 0
serio_raw 2928 0
shpchp 21148 0
thermal 9263 0
pci_hotplug 18286 1 shpchp
fbcon 27736 0
bitblit 3514 1 fbcon
softcursor 805 1 bitblit
tileblit 1509 1 fbcon
font 6916 1 fbcon
sg 19093 0
evdev 5517 0
button 3522 0
asus_laptop 10846 0
led_class 1733 1 asus_laptop
processor 24987 0
ac 2143 0
fuse 42549 0
aufs 110466 1
nls_iso8859_1 2937 0
nls_cp437 4465 0
usbhid 18009 0
usb_storage 29717 1
squashfs 15984 1
ohci_hcd 16937 0
ssb 29373 1 ohci_hcd
ehci_hcd 25830 0
usbcore 91279 6 prism2_usb,usbhid,usb_storage,ohci_hcd,ehci_hcd
yenta_socket 16079 2
rsrc_nonstatic 6693 1 yenta_socket