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Desperate need for lightweight browser.
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steff99

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Feb 2018, 17:08    Post subject:  Desperate need for lightweight browser.  

Hi Guys. after years of using puppy, I have began to noticed that ALL the mainstream web browsers are hogging very large amounts of system resources.
Firefox alone uses a minumum of 400+ mb simply to open a single page, where as Chrome can be even worse!

I have tried Opera (which is now based on chrome) and seamonkey simply wont display new webpages correctly.

I have also noticed the newer versions of firfox are also using the chrome engine. this all amounts to stupid amounts of ram simply to browse the web.... and its getting worse.

I am not entirely sure about the cause of this ram hogging or even CPU hogging, but a solution is becoming more problematic due to the availability of web browsers.

This isn't a suggestion towards puppy exactly, but a (long shot) request that maybe someone who has the knowledge, possibly look into building a new light weight browser....

I have also attempted to use K-Meleon but the 85mb instal folder is still quite large, and so far K-Meleon has similar display problems to the old Firefox versions.

is this the end of the road for web browsers? as using larger mainstream programs like chrome will force me to change to another OS, or (heaven forbid) buying a new computer with more ram, and a different OS.
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musher0


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PostPosted: Mon 05 Feb 2018, 17:28    Post subject:  

Hello stef99.

Welcome aboard!

Yeah, some browsers have become as large or even larger than the Puppy distro...
Although some users here are happy with any of the "monsters" you mention.

As for me, I try to do as much as I can with the old opera 12.16. Some https sites
this old opera won't show, so I use palemoon for those.

If someone managed to compile the latest version of the small links2 browser with
ssl, that would be quite something. It would give links2 (and us) access to a lot
more sites.

BFN.

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trapster


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PostPosted: Mon 05 Feb 2018, 18:35    Post subject:  

Code:
root@debian:~# ldd /usr/bin/links2
   linux-gate.so.1 (0xb7718000)
   libtiff.so.5 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libtiff.so.5 (0xb7685000)
   libjpeg.so.62 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libjpeg.so.62 (0xb7626000)
   libpng12.so.0 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpng12.so.0 (0xb75f9000)
   libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libX11.so.6 (0xb74a7000)
   libdirectfb-1.2.so.9 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdirectfb-1.2.so.9 (0xb7419000)
   libfusion-1.2.so.9 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libfusion-1.2.so.9 (0xb740e000)
   libdirect-1.2.so.9 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdirect-1.2.so.9 (0xb73f5000)
   libpthread.so.0 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0 (0xb73d8000)
   liblzma.so.5 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/liblzma.so.5 (0xb73ad000)
   libbz2.so.1.0 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libbz2.so.1.0 (0xb739a000)
   libz.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libz.so.1 (0xb737d000)
   libssl.so.1.0.0 => /usr/local/lib/libssl.so.1.0.0 (0xb7310000)
   libcrypto.so.1.0.0 => /usr/local/lib/libcrypto.so.1.0.0 (0xb7111000)
   libgpm.so.2 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgpm.so.2 (0xb710b000)
   libm.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libm.so.6 (0xb70b6000)
   libc.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0xb6efe000)
   libjbig.so.0 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libjbig.so.0 (0xb6eef000)
   libxcb.so.1 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libxcb.so.1 (0xb6ec9000)
   libdl.so.2 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0xb6ec4000)
   /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb771b000)
   libXau.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXau.so.6 (0xb6ebe000)
   libXdmcp.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXdmcp.so.6 (0xb6eb8000)
root@debian:~#


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musher0


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PostPosted: Mon 05 Feb 2018, 19:27    Post subject:  

Hello trapster.

Why don't you come up with a download URL instead of teasing us?!?!
Which version of links2 is it, BTW?

TIA

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dancytron

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Feb 2018, 20:43    Post subject:  

The standard links2 in Debian Stretch seems to support SSL. At least it opened a couple https pages for me, running as "links2 -g".

Not sure if it helps, but https://packages.debian.org/stretch/links2 has download links and a list of dependencies with links to them.

I don't have Debian Stretch Puppy installed right now, but I imagine it is available in the PPM.
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musher0


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PostPosted: Mon 05 Feb 2018, 20:56    Post subject:  

Never mind, trapster! I managed it on my own with help from LinuxQuestions.org.

@all:
Please see here for a links-2.14
compiled for the 32-bit xenialPup with ssl capacity.

@steff99:
Care to try it?

@dancytron:
Thanks for the info.

BFN.

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Colonel Panic


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PostPosted: Tue 06 Feb 2018, 03:46    Post subject:  

If you want a lightweight browser, Dillo's worth a look as well. It comes as standard in both Puppy and AntiX;

https://www.dillo.org/

There's also Netsurf, which comes as standard in LinuxBBQ;

http://www.netsurf-browser.org/

and Midori, which is a sort of halfway house between the two browsers mentioned and the "full" browsers such as Chrome and Firefox;

http://midori-browser.org/

I agree about the bloat in Firefox and Chromium. As someone with an older computer now (2008) it's getting past a joke.

One thing you could try as well though is installing an add-on like No Script in Firefox, which stops all the adverts on a new web page from loading automatically; you can adjust the settings to say which scripts are going to be allowed to load and which aren't. Or (and this is more drastic) simply turn off Javascript in Firefox's Settings menu.

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PostPosted: Tue 06 Feb 2018, 06:02    Post subject:  

Hello all.

To complement Colonel Panic's post above:

forum member Oscar Talks is offering versions of both Dillo and NetSurf for various
Puppies, .here.

BFN.

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p310don

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PostPosted: Tue 06 Feb 2018, 06:40    Post subject:  

As big, bad and bloated as the browsers are becoming, the site you visit affects things greatly.

Sites with a reputation for gathering your data, eg google sites & facebook struggle to load on my weakest PC, but more basic sites even netflix have virtually no problems.

This murga forum, with no tracking or ads, loads on pretty much any PC, in any browser.
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watchdog

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PostPosted: Tue 06 Feb 2018, 07:03    Post subject:  

Palemoon browser with JavaScript switch and noscript extension (plus PupAdvertBlocker) is worth a try...
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8Geee


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PostPosted: Thu 08 Feb 2018, 18:18    Post subject:  

I use FireFox 27 for most things in general, Youtube will work OK, but its not meant for social-websites like Facebook/Twitter. It takes about 1/2 the memory of a 'modern' browser, but is still secure and tidy.

FWIW, I'm running an Atom n270 with 2Gb memory.

I have a preconfigured version located here that is loaded, and runs in root. That makes removal easier, and there is no escalation of priviledge. There is also a text file with sum for download check.

Regards
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hamoudoudou


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PostPosted: Tue 13 Feb 2018, 10:18    Post subject: SSL what is that ?  

Dillo browses the beach, and the forum. Do you know that this forum is not secured and my browser ask exceptionnal permission ? I give it . Because i don't understand at all Questions in English, even in French. SSL what is that ?
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PostPosted: Wed 14 Feb 2018, 02:07    Post subject:  

p310don wrote:
As big, bad and bloated as the browsers are becoming, the site you visit affects things greatly.

Sites with a reputation for gathering your data, eg google sites & facebook struggle to load on my weakest PC, but more basic sites even netflix have virtually no problems.

This murga forum, with no tracking or ads, loads on pretty much any PC, in any browser.


I can confirm that. I almost never have any problems loading the murga forum in any browser or distro. It's honestly too bad that the Internet as a whole has taken the path it has; newspaper sites in particular, with tracking and ads as you say, are a nightmare to visit with an older computer.

I regularly get told in Firefox now that "this page is slowing down the browser. Would you like to close it?" No wonder add-ons such as No Script are so popular.

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PostPosted: Wed 14 Feb 2018, 02:35    Post subject:  

Colonel Panic wrote:
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I regularly get told in Firefox now that "this page is slowing down the browser. Would you like to close it?" No wonder add-ons such as No Script are so popular.

Colonel Panic.

Your computer is infected by the "Stand-up Comic" virus!!! That sentence is a tell-tale sign. Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed 14 Feb 2018, 03:27    Post subject: My vote goes to SLIMJET
Subject description: Fast browser
 

You can find diferent versions at:


https://yadi.sk/d/fd8rBM0WoF9sB?force_show=1


(I'm using Versión 15.0.5.0 (basado en Chromium 59.0.3071.86)

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