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fredx181


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PostPosted: Sat 24 Feb 2018, 05:04    Post subject:  
rcrsn51 wrote:
Download Chrome:
Code:
wget https://dl.google.com/linux/direct/google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb

Start in an empty folder holding the repo2sfs script and the .deb file. Because you are working with a 3rd-party Debian package, you will run repo2sfs a bit differently:


Hi Bill, in case you don't realize, the google-chrome repository is included in your build of DebLive_Stretch-amd64-52.iso (see /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list), so just apt-get will do:
Code:
apt-get update
apt-get install google-chrome-stable


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PostPosted: Sat 24 Feb 2018, 05:15    Post subject:  
Moat wrote:
I just built a working Stellarium .sfs with AptToSfs! Initially, by it's description I thought it was something a bit different (i.e. - building an .sfs from already installed packages) - but now see that it's functionally nearly the same as repo2sfs.


Yes, functionality is the same, but works in a different manner, apt2sfs installs the packages in chroot and repo2sfs just simply extracts the packages before making sfs.

BTW, I tried repo2sfs creating .squashfs for gimp, ffmpeg, bleachbit and all work fine.

@backi, you may want to try repo2sfs in Xenialdog, it could be that apt2sfs does too much "configuring", which may result in the problems you talked about earlier (just guessing, should be tested to be sure)

EDIT: To clarify more about apt2sfs and "configuring":
Most Debian packages have "pre" or "post" install scripts that are executed when installing/configuring).
Apt2sfs simulates normal install in a chroot (jail) environment (outside the running system).
Specially with packages that have systemd dependency, then sometimes unexpected things can happen, specially when unloading an SFS (on Xenialdog, which runs with systemd boot enabled).
(I must add that Debian-Stretch-Live Starter Kit runs by default WITHOUT systemd boot, so I expect no problems then with apt2sfs, unless you enable systemd-boot)

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Feb 2018, 08:36    Post subject:  
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PostPosted: Sat 24 Feb 2018, 08:47    Post subject:  
Thanks everyone.

I am certainly aware of apt2sfs - I use it myself.

But I wanted a tool with a little more control over the build process.
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PostPosted: Sat 24 Feb 2018, 09:56    Post subject:  
How to install Master PDF Editor

Go here and get a 32bit or 64bit Debian package.

You have two choices:

1. Do a regular install with Right-click > Install Deb. However, there is a missing dependency.
Code:
apt-get update #if needed
apt-get install libsane


2. Build a squashfs module.

a. Get repo2sfs from page 1.
b. Read the Chrome instructions (page 2) for doing a third-party build. Ignore the non-root stuff.
c. Add "libsane" to the EXTRAS list.
d. Load the module and run it from the Office menu.

Hint: This is a QT app. If your base setup already has the QT libs, you may want to omit them from the squash module.
At Pause A, go into /var/cache/apt/archives and delete their .deb files.

Here is another example: Some apps want ghostscript. But if you already have ghostscript via CUPS, there is no need to include it in the module.

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Feb 2018, 11:37    Post subject:  
WiFi Drivers

The Starter Kit contains the drivers and firmware for many WiFi devices. The Intel internal PCI adapters need firmware. Run:
Code:
apt-get update #if needed
apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi #for newer models
apt-get install firmware-ipw2x00 #for older models

Or download a firmware-iwlwifi squashfs module from here. Put it in the "live" folder of your frugal install.

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I have a combo package of various third-party Broadcom and Realtek WiFi drivers for k4.19.0-6-amd64. The drivers are:

1. Broadcom wl.
2. Realtek 8192cu. Some adapters may still prefer this vendor version to the in-kernel driver.
3. Realtek 8192eu. You may get better results with this driver than with the in-kernel rtl8xxxu.
4. Realtek 8812au and 8822bu. These AC-mode devices are not yet in the mainstream kernel.
5. Realtek internal PCI 8821ce.
6. Realtek 8811cu/8821cu. (see below)
7. Realtek 8723de.
8. Realtek 8188ftv-fu.

Download the package here. Then use right-click > Install Deb.

Some of these drivers may require a change to the PeasyWiFi config. Set DRIVER=nl80211.

Hint: To compile your own Broadcom WiFi driver, read here (steps 1 and 5).

Update: The D-Link DWA-171 USB WiFi adapter uses the Realtek 8821cu driver.
It is a dual-format device that initially presents itself as a USB flash drive, so Windows can auto-install the driver.
You need to switch it into a WiFi device.

a. Install the combo driver package above.
b. Install the package "usb-modeswitch".
Code:
apt-get update #if needed
apt-get install usb-modeswitch

c. Unplug/replug the adapter.
d. Run the command: iwconfig. It should show a 'wlan0' interface.
e. If not, do a reboot.

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A note about antennas: Although the drivers in the rtl-wifi series are intended for dual-antenna cards, some laptop vendors have cheaped-out and only provided one antenna. So if the driver on your system happens to pick the absent antenna, WiFi will fail. Here is a sample fix:

1. Go to /etc/modprobe.d
2. Create the file "rtl8723be.conf"
3. Insert the line "options rtl8723be ant_sel=1"
4. Do a COLD reboot.

If that doesn't help, try "ant_sel=2".

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PostPosted: Sun 25 Feb 2018, 06:38    Post subject:  
Hi,
I like the concept that allows for a system set up with few applications which just meet my quite basic needs.
So I have tried the Debian-Stretch-Live Starter Kit.
I am having mixed success on different computers with a frugal basic install on an ext2 USB with only the palemoon....squashfs in the ‘modules’ directory.
I rename or delete the ‘changes’ directory when switching computers [so that a new ‘changes’ directory gets created].

Computer 1: Lap top HP Elitebook 8460p, Intel core i5
no problem booting,
peasywifi detecting and connecting to wlan0

Computer 2: Lap top HP Elitebook 6930p, Intel core2
no problem booting,
peasywifi indicates:
Interface wlan0 is NOT active
Kernel module : unknown
I know from running a different system, that the built-in wifi is an Intel Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300 (8086:4236), which uses the iwlwifi driver.

When I plug in a TP-Link wifi dongle [instead of trying to use the built-in wifi], then peasywifi detects it correctly,
kernel module rt73USB is used, and the connection is working.

Computer 3: Lap top HP nc8000, Pentium M, no built-in wifi
no problem booting when using forcepae
peasywifi detecting and connecting via the TP-Link dongle, no problem

Computer 4: Desktop HP P4, 2GB RAM
appears to be booting up ok but at the end fails to connect to the Xserver and stops at the command prompt.

On the screen I see [remaining]:
Server terminated with error (1)
Closing log file
Sending discover .....
Sending discover .....
Sending select for 10.1.1.243
Lease of 10.1.1.243 obtained, lease time 86400
SIOCDELERT: No such process
xinit: giving up
xinit: unable to connect to Xserver: Connection refused
xinit: server error
root@live:~#

See also the attached log file

My questions:
Computer 2: How do I get the built-in wifi to work ?
Computer 4: Is a fix possible for the Xserver problem or do I have to accept that the P4 simply is too old for the task at hand ?

Thanks for any help,
regards
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PostPosted: Sun 25 Feb 2018, 08:21    Post subject:  
Thanks for testing.

Computer #2 is probably a firmware problem with the Intel WiFi. Run dmesg and check for errors. Using your USB adapter, run
Code:
apt-get update
apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi

Otherwise, download and install it manually from https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firmware-iwlwifi
The Starter Kit has some older Intel firmware. I was reluctant to include the whole package.

I don't know much about video, but computer #4 is probably a video driver problem. Your log has a reference to "mga" A google search of "debian stretch mga video" finds the package "xserver-xorg-video-mga"

So at the console prompt, try
Code:
apt-get update
apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-mga

Then try "startx" or reboot.

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PostPosted: Mon 26 Feb 2018, 08:03    Post subject:  
@rcrsn51
The suggestion has worked for computer 2.
peasywifi now uses wilwifi; auto connect also works when so set.

I applied what was suggested for computer 4.
Instead of ending up at the command prompt, I now get to a blank [black] screen, no prompt.
Not what is wanted, but I guess it is one step closer to a working screen.
Alt+Ctrl+Del does what it is supposed to do.

I attach the new Xorg.0.log file [Xorg.0.log_stretch-live.gz] together with the corresponding log file from booting radky's Dpup Stretch 7.5 CE (RC-2), which DOES boot to a working screen on computer 4.
Thanks for helping.
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PostPosted: Mon 26 Feb 2018, 08:50    Post subject:  
Line 471 of Dpup-Stretch loads swrast. The Starter Kit does not have it. So it may have something to do with accelerated video.

Code:
apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri
startx


If that fails, run dmesg from the console. Maybe there are some hints.
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PostPosted: Mon 26 Feb 2018, 20:16    Post subject:  
Trying to apply the suggestion resulted in: Unable to locate package libgll-mesa-dri

I have however found a different solution.
Instead of installing xserver-xorg-video-mga, I have installed xserver-xorg-video-vesa.
That works.

I have now made a frugal install to the HDD of computer 4
It boots in approx. 35 sec from the moment Debian-Stretch-Live is selected on the Grub menu on this P4, not bad !

I note that the 'changes' directory size is 121MB after doing the apt-get update, apt-get install for vesa and setting some desktop preferences.
I assume that this is typical ?
I still only have Palemoon in the 'modules' directory, not using wifi.
Thanks again.
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PostPosted: Mon 26 Feb 2018, 20:30    Post subject:  
proebler wrote:
Trying to apply the suggestion resulted in: Unable to locate package libgll-mesa-dri

The correct spelling is libgl"ONE"-mesa-dri.

However, it's good to know that you can still install vesa as a fall-back driver.

Quote:
I note that the 'changes' directory size is 121MB after doing the apt-get update, apt-get install for vesa and setting some desktop preferences. I assume that this is typical ?

Debian tends to chew up a lot of space. That's why the Starter Kit only supports save folders.

Check out /var/cache/apt/archives. You can empty this with
Code:
apt-get clean


Thanks for testing.

[Edit] I looked at the Dpup Xorg again. I can't tell if it actually used the mga driver or if it also fell-back to vesa.

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PostPosted: Tue 27 Feb 2018, 04:29    Post subject: 'changes' directory size is 121MB  
proebler wrote:
I note that the 'changes' directory size is 121MB after doing the apt-get update, apt-get install for vesa and setting some desktop preferences.
I assume that this is typical ?


The most part of that is from the files generated by apt-get update (cache and package lists, +/- 120MB).
That doesn't grow any further , see it just as "first time investment" in the save storage.

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PostPosted: Tue 27 Feb 2018, 07:56    Post subject:  
I tried once more libgl1-mesa-dri together with the mga video driver.
It is a no-go combination in my case.

Dpup uses the mga driver, it does not fall back to vesa.

Have installed and successfully used the Pet2Stretch tool to install Figaro's pw manager.

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PostPosted: Tue 27 Feb 2018, 08:32    Post subject:  
proebler wrote:
I tried once more libgl1-mesa-dri together with the mga video driver. It is a no-go combination in my case. Dpup uses the mga driver, it does not fall back to vesa.

I am now out of my depth on video issues. Maybe woof has some legacy version of the Xorg mga driver that still works?

Quote:
Have installed and successfully used the Pet2Stretch tool to install Figaro's pw manager.

All Pet2Stretch does is unpack the PET, copy its contents into the file system and run the pinstall script. Don't expect miracles from it. Wink
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