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kiramm


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PostPosted: Sun 18 Mar 2018, 22:00    Post subject:  ubuntu mit works on win tablet:) puppy too?tahr xenial?
Subject description: here are examples for some buyable tablets mit instal instructions or puppy to stripped down for thi
 

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/10-devices-didnt-know-can-install-linux/

https://www.geek.com/apps/linux-users-rejoice-heres-ubuntu-on-the-surface-pro-3-1594864/

https://medium.com/@tomac/installing-ubuntu-mint-linux-on-onda-820w-tablet-727747a376b

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57M_MhyBJzQ

https://www.techradar.com/how-to/computing/how-to-install-ubuntu-onto-a-windows-tablet-1319489/3

waiting hungry for this aswer please

how is actually puppy baterry cosumption same like wi 10?
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mikeslr


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PostPosted: Mon 19 Mar 2018, 16:03    Post subject:  

Hi Kiramm,

I also went thru this stage, "Love Puppy, Like Tablets, why not Puppy on a Tablet?" A lot of searching lead to these conclusions -- which may be wrong or, at a minimum, technical terms forgotten. Sad But you'll get the gist.

1: Most tablets are built using the Arm Processor. Most Puppies are built for the X86 (32-bit processor) or x64 (64-bit processor). AFAIK, only the devs working with FatDog have built systems for some of the many Arm devices. Plug "FatDog Arm" into this search page: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=015995643981050743583%3Aabvzbibgzxo&q=#gsc.tab=0

2. Having a functional OS on a Tablet is not just a matter of compiling against the architecture of its CPU [and there are many Arm CPUs deployed into different tablets]. You also have to compile the drivers which will make use of the hardware provided by the device -- little things like being able to display on a screen, generate sound thru speakers, connect with the web using the builtin wifi adapter. The OSes built by Ubuntu and Linux Mint have done that. The Devs working on FatDogArm have done that for some Tablets.

If you plug "mikeslr nexus 7" and "mikeslr Lg gPad" into the above search page, you'll find discussions that may be relevant. "Fatdogarm nexus 7" should lead to a downloadable image for that device.

My wife and I spent 10 days in England after I acquired a Tablet, but before I had a chance to experiment with installing any Linux. Using the Tablet during that period I concluded that installation of a Puppy wasn't sensible.

Puppies (even FatDogArm) are designed for computers. Their GUI uses a mouse and keyboard. Tablets are just large smartphones (albeit some can't make use of sim cards). You hold them in one hand and and open, control and direct applications by tapping, scrolling, pinching the screen. By now, there are a myriad apps you can install which will do anything it is sensible to do on a tablet/smartphone. They are well worth having -- indeed, I now carry a 6" smartphone (unlocked, wifi and 4G capable, with a fairly decent builtin camera). A mouse and keyboard are not only unnecessary, but trying to use them would be inconvenient. And while in theory Its CPU is sufficiently powerful to do many things I do with computers, as I have a computer on which I can do them more easily, I am not going to use a tablet/smartphone to, as examples, edit photos or videos or music, or write long compositions.

mikesLr
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PostPosted: Mon 19 Mar 2018, 22:02    Post subject:  

thank u verrry

i remeber to have put on far past a puppy on a amd? acer
it did work

so i caceled puppy as good linux
untill i arrived at this laptop

and at acer i used a internet click install cloud linux google chrome based
which worked

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beside 4k super laptop

i found also

https://afterthoughtsoftware.com/posts/Acer-Aspire-Linux

but second hand one i found has Intel Core i3-3217U



is that also ok?


everything called intel good for puppy?


i am dead after so much researchig

whish nice day and go sleep


i thank u for
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PostPosted: Tue 20 Mar 2018, 10:27    Post subject:  

Hi Kiramm,

Can't say with certainty about that model. But I have a Acer Aspire One D270 which has Intel Graphics. It runs both 32 & 64 bit Xenialpups, Tahrpups and Slacko 6's without a hitch.

More about the D270 can be found here: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=724955#724955. Note it's discussed in a thread named Puppy on Laptops. Here you'll find an alpha-numeric listing of laptop models which have been discussed on that thread. http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppyOnLaptops

Also try plugging the full name, example Acer Aspire One D270 into this search page and see if anything been reported: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=015995643981050743583%3Aabvzbibgzxo&q=#gsc.tab=0

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PostPosted: Wed 21 Mar 2018, 23:27    Post subject: Spoke too soon, sort-of  

Hi Kiramm,

While what I said about the difficulty of getting Puppies to run on tablets remains true --AFAIK-- StretchDog (perhaps other Dogs) apparently can be ported to Tablets/Smartphones.

At Wiak has posted "StretchDog proves nice in combination with android tablet or phone chroot Debian system I mention here: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=986303#986303"

On that link, Wiak provided further information, including "Just playing with Android GNURoot Debian on my not-rooted 8 inch android version 6 tablet".

In case you didn't know, StretchDog is a debian system structured to look and, in may ways, function like Puppies. Rather than "persistence", it saves changes and installed applications in, essentially, a SaveFolder using either a manual Save command, or when Save is chosen at shutdown/reboot. It can also, optionally, create and use the equivalent of SFSes. As a true debian system, it also employs apt and synaptic as package manager.

Android GNURoot Debian is an app available from the PlayStore or whatever they are now calling it.

Of course, Wiak has more talent and experience that most of us. And although he reported on the above thread "Above system involved no complicated installation steps. Just press install button and it just works.." that was before his post about StretchDog here, http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=986304#986304.

So it would be interesting to know if 'installing' StretchDog presented any challenges and how he overcame them. The StretchDog thread rather than here would be the likely place to look for further information.

A couple of things on his posts caught my attention. First, that the tablet used android version 6, and that the tablet was unrooted. Back when I was exploring this area I think android was still at version 5, maybe 4. And as far as I recall, although similar apps were available at that time, some of which did not require a rooted tablet to work, the android system, itself, had to be of a higher version than many 2nd-hand tablets were manufactured with. At least at that time, to upgrade the android system to a newer version, required rooting, if possible. And not all tablets took too well to that operation.

So it would be interesting to know exactly which tablet Wiak used.

But, as aforesaid, this conversation is best continued on the StretchDog thread.

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PostPosted: Wed 21 Mar 2018, 23:54    Post subject: Re: Spoke too soon, sort-of  

mikeslr wrote:
Hi Kiramm,

While what I said about the difficulty of getting Puppies to run on tablets remains true --AFAIK-- StretchDog (perhaps other Dogs) apparently can be ported to Tablets/Smartphones.

At Wiak has posted "StretchDog proves nice in combination with android tablet or phone chroot Debian system I mention here: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=986303#986303"
...
but, as aforesaid, this conversation is best continued on the StretchDog thread.

mikesLr


Hello mikeslr,

Sorry, you have misunderstood (though only slightly). I do NOT have Stretchdog running on my android tablet. I meant that those using Stretchdog on their laptops might well be interested in running GNURoot Debian (which is an android Debian system based on Jessie) on their android tablet (or even old android phone as I've since discovered).

No particular talent whatsoever is required to install GNURoot Debian, I'm happy to say... it's just a normal application install from google playstore. I've added further information to my posting about it, including how absolutely easy it is to get X apps working with it (again no special 'talent' is required - the facility is all provided in GNURoot Debian android app). And your android phone (or android tablet) does NOT need to be rooted! I've done most of my tests on an old 512MB RAM android version 4.4.2 system now.

EDIT: Of course I can't guarantee GNURoot Debian will work on any particular android phone or tablet, but certainly worked on two pretty unspecial androids I tested it on (an almost no-named chinese tablet but marked H&O 219935 android ver 6.0.1 (has 1 GB RAM only and QuadCoreA33 cpu), and Huawei Y360-U31 android version 4.4.2 phone with 512MB RAM and 4in screen; so pretty diverse systems and low-spec). Also now installed on an ultra-cheap Vodafone VF695 (vodafone smart first 6) android phone - that just has 512MB RAM, android ver 4.4.2, Dual-core 1.0 GHz Cortex-A7 arm cpu, MediaTek MT6572M chipset, and is apparently actually an alcatel VF695 (refer gsmarena.com for phone specs).

Just try installing GNURoot Debian on whatever android phone you have - seems to me there is a pretty fair chance it will just work...

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=986303#986303

Hope you find the info useful. GNURoot Debian for android is not a Dog, but could certainly be tailored to look like one (and provides full Debian apt package manager capability too).

One thing I do note (which may or may not be an issue) is that all of my android devices coincidentally use kernel 3.4.x underneath, but I suspect that is not going to be a deciding matter. Having said that, it depends how GNURoot Debian manages to access the underlying hardware devices like wireless and so on - I suspect it doesn't do so directly but through some android system calls where kernel version wouldn't be critical but I've really no idea about this (EDIT: ah, no, will likely work just since it is directly using the underlying hardware interfaces since using a chroot set up), except that a chroot system always uses the underlying kernel/firmware configuration and not its own kernel/firmware - However GNURoot Debian is done, it amazes me anyway! (I'm particularly surprised it doesn't need a rooted android system)

EDIT: Here are some nice related links (some of the info they provide seems to be a bit out-of-date, but still enlightening):

The following info refers to alternative X graphics method (and some info on using alternative window manager than twm:

https://linuxhint.com/gnuroot-tutorial/

Note well that you don't actually 'need' to install the separate XServer XSDL to get X running with GNURoot Debian - see my main post about instead simply clicking the xterm icon, which will install whatever is required, including window manager twm (apparently using vnc client/server (I have to look into this more...)

https://www.xda-developers.com/guide-installing-and-running-a-gnulinux-environment-on-any-android-device/

https://www.fossmint.com/install-run-linux-on-android-device/

The following may prove particularly useful for copying apps from/to android main system since it shows how to install dropbear though other ways may be simpler or already provided (I don't know yet):

https://gist.github.com/kbeflo/ccaf34f4515670d84b37719c067300c7

https://wiki.debian.org/ChrootOnAndroid

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Mar 2018, 11:05    Post subject:  

Hi Wiak,

Thanks for clarifying. Either your post or my second cup of coffee this morning got my flaky memory churning.

As I recall the android app I was exploring was "Linux Deploy". Although porting Puppy was my goal, the app --although allowing a choice of operating systems you could use-- restricted that choice to those you obtained from its repo. I think I wasn't able to see a clear method to expand those choices.

Moreover, the tablet I was using only had 8 Gb of internal storage; most of which was already being used by android OS, non-removable builtins and the apps I installed. It could take a 16 Gb SD card. But while it was a relatively simple matter to store data on the card in order to run apps from it required root privileges and another app. [Succeeded the first time. Then decided to start with a clean slate. For some reason the app which had enabled the SD card to be used for running apps didn't work the second time]. It was at that point I spent 10 days in England using the tablet as an android device and decided it was sufficiently useful as such that it didn't need a Linux OS.

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Mar 2018, 15:58    Post subject:  

Hi mikesLr,

Yes Linux Deploy is a popular option, but does need a rooted android device. The exciting thing about GNURoot Debian is that it doesn't need that and also works on quite old android devices so can give them a new lease of life.

I also tend to find Android provides sufficient functionality for me, but nevertheless, it is fun indeed to use linux on either my android phone or tablet. Also, I'm often out in coffee shops and just have phone or tablet with me and having Linux on them will make it possible for me to get on with a bit Puppy/Dog based programming in bash (also C) and hopefully with gtkdialog.

wiak
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PostPosted: Thu 22 Mar 2018, 15:58    Post subject:  

Sorry, double post. That's the problem me posting from small slow phone...
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