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backi

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr 2018, 07:11    Post subject:  

Hi PeeBee !

First of all :
Congratulations !!"!

Using Bionic pup now .Fantastico ,excellent ,exciting Smile Smile

Much improvement over Artful where i never could get Vlc-Player , Smplayer and Smtube working .Excellent !!! Very Happy Very Happy

Just want make one Suggestion ....you implemented Jwm Tray Configuration .
I found Radky`s JWMDesk-2.4.2 (Manager) much more powerful and flexible than Jwm Tray Configuration .
Maybe think about to implement it into Bionic .
There is no Problem just to install it additionally .

In case you are not aware of it ,can be found here :
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=101460

Nevertheless excellent Job .....This Puppy rocks !!!! Laughing Laughing Laughing

Greetings !
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr 2018, 10:24    Post subject: Re: ArtfulPup (& Upup-Bionic-Beaver-RC)  

Billtoo wrote:
It defaulted to the modesetting video driver and cpu usage was high, I exited to the prompt,ran xorgwizard and specified the intel driver at
3840x1080, it works much better.

@Billtoo & @Marv

I think we need to get to the cause of this difference with upupbb - happens on my laptop as well....

Who is the "expert" on such matters that we should ask for help?? Confused Sad Crying or Very sad Question

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr 2018, 11:44    Post subject:  

I've chased my tail to a nubbin over this and I really think the fault lies with the major changes made in Mesa 18.0.0, it is rc5 in the current BB. Card0 is set up correctly by the kernel (several checked) and recognized but not seen as DRI2 or DRI3 capable by Mesa 18 components at least in the intel case. And yet a 64 bit vers. of 18.0.0 works correctly in 64bit LxPupSc64??? I was going to try removing all of Mesa 18 and deps and reverting to the Mesa 17 from Artful when Billtoo saved me from that madness. At any rate I think the onus should be on the Mesa devs. unless there is some critical difference in deps or compile parameters between the 32b and 64b Mesas. Just my 2cents.

Edit: 64b comparison (in green) added.

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr 2018, 12:47    Post subject:  

I did a new hard drive install this morning:

# inxi -b
System: Host: puppypc23558 Kernel: 4.9.92-lxpup-32-pae i686 bits: 32 Desktop: JWM 2.3.7 Distro: UPupBB 18.04
Machine: Device: desktop System: HP product: 260-p029 serial: CNV6240BWP
Mobo: HP model: 81B4 v: 01 serial: PFPSK0BWJ301LW UEFI [Legacy]: AMI v: F.04 date: 05/10/2016
CPU: Dual core Intel Core i3-6100T (-MT-MCP-) speed/max: 800/3101 MHz
Graphics: Card: Intel HD Graphics 530
Display Server: X.Org 1.19.6 driver: intel Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 530 (Skylake GT2) x86/MMX/SSE2
version: 4.5 Mesa 18.0.0-rc5
Network: Card-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: r8169
Card-2: Realtek RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter driver: rtl8723be
Drives: HDD Total Size: 2000.4GB (0.5% used)
Info: Processes: 199 Uptime: 59 min Memory: 207.5/3898.6MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.56
#

I installed all the usual applications that I use, the screenshots
don't show much difference between modesetting and intel when running
in VLC.

Yesterday's install showed a much greater difference when running with
the modesetting driver,was using 80% + cpu.
I updated PPM before installing anything, maybe something updated since
yesterday? Mesa is still Mesa 18.0.0-rc5
Yesterday was on a dual monitor setup where this isn't.

This pc has faster ram (ddr4)

Not very helpful I guess but that's what I'm seeing on this pc.
-----------------------------------------------------------

The screenshots show the difference on the older intel ironlake running the same mp4 file in kodi:

# inxi -b
System: Host: puppypc20053 Kernel: 4.9.92-lxpup-32-pae i686 bits: 32 Desktop: JWM 2.3.7 Distro: UPupBB 18.04
Machine: Device: desktop Mobo: Acer model: Aspire X3950 serial: U02C120500059
BIOS: American Megatrends v: P01-A3 date: 05/05/2010
CPU: Dual core Intel Core i3 540 (-MT-MCP-) speed/max: 1200/3067 MHz
Graphics: Card: Intel Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
Display Server: X.Org 1.19.6 driver: intel Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz, 1920x1080@60.00hz
OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ironlake Desktop x86/MMX/SSE2 version: 2.1 Mesa 18.0.0-rc5
Network: Card-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: r8169
Card-2: D-Link System AirPlus G DWL-G122 Wireless Adapter(rev.C1) [Ralink RT2571W] driver: rt73usb
Drives: HDD Total Size: 516.1GB (1.4% used)
Info: Processes: 194 Uptime: 23 min Memory: 230.5/5996.9MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.56
#
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr 2018, 13:44    Post subject:  

I think it is pretty hardware dependent. Detection support seems to be there for newer intel CPUs but not for those even middle-aged. I'm on the Bay Trail right now with a fresh install of 18.04 uPupBB and this is what I see without and with forcing "intel".
Without:
Code:
# inxi -b
System:    Host: puppypc21034 Kernel: 4.9.92-lxpup-32-pae i686 bits: 32
           Desktop: JWM 2.3.7 Distro: UPupBB 18.04
Machine:   Device: desktop Mobo: ASRock model: Q1900M serial: M80-44015700338
           UEFI [Legacy]: American Megatrends v: P1.20 date: 03/25/2014
CPU:       Quad core Intel Celeron J1900 (-MCP-) speed: 1993 MHz (max)
Graphics:  Card: Intel Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series Graphics & Display
           Display Server: X.Org 1.19.6
           drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1024x768@75.03hz
           OpenGL: renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 6.0, 128 bits)
           version: 3.3 Mesa 18.0.0-rc5
Network:   Card: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCIE Gigabit Ethernet Controller
           driver: r8169
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (3.9% used)
Info:      Processes: 178 Uptime: 19 min Memory: 132.0/3492.8MB
           Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.40

And with:
Code:
# inxi -b
System:    Host: puppypc21034 Kernel: 4.9.92-lxpup-32-pae i686 bits: 32
           Desktop: JWM 2.3.7 Distro: UPupBB 18.04
Machine:   Device: desktop Mobo: ASRock model: Q1900M serial: M80-44015700338
           UEFI [Legacy]: American Megatrends v: P1.20 date: 03/25/2014
CPU:       Quad core Intel Celeron J1900 (-MCP-) speed: 1993 MHz (max)
Graphics:  Card: Intel Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series Graphics & Display
           Display Server: X.Org 1.19.6 driver: intel
           Resolution: 1024x768@75.03hz
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Bay Trail x86/MMX/SSE2
           version: 4.2 Mesa 18.0.0-rc5
Network:   Card: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCIE Gigabit Ethernet Controller
           driver: r8169
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (3.9% used)
Info:      Processes: 177 Uptime: 17 min Memory: 126.1/3492.8MB
           Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.40

I see no difference at all running LxPupSc64 18.04 on either the sandy bridge hardware or the Bay Trail hardware. The intel HW renderer is chosen in either case with much better FPS/CPU efficiency with the intel renderer.

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr 2018, 13:46    Post subject: Re: ArtfulPup (& Upup-Bionic-Beaver-RC)  

peebee wrote:
Billtoo wrote:
It defaulted to the modesetting video driver and cpu usage was high, I exited to the prompt,ran xorgwizard and specified the intel driver at
3840x1080, it works much better.

@Billtoo & @Marv

I think we need to get to the cause of this difference with upupbb - happens on my laptop as well....

Who is the "expert" on such matters that we should ask for help?? Confused Sad Crying or Very sad Question


have you tried one of the latest kernels 4.15.15 or 4.14.32 with the complete latest firmware (this can be whittled down later)

i did a 64bit bionic build using xenials kernel and there were issues with nouveau but using the a 4.14 kernel fixed it.

note that xenials kernel in xenial is fine on the same comp

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr 2018, 14:21    Post subject: Re: ArtfulPup (& Upup-Bionic-Beaver-RC)  

666philb wrote:

have you tried one of the latest kernels 4.15.15 or 4.14.32 with the complete latest firmware (this can be whittled down later)

i did a 64bit bionic build using xenials kernel and there were issues with nouveau but using the a 4.14 kernel fixed it.

note that xenials kernel in xenial is fine on the same comp
I got exactly the same behavior swapping peebees 4.15.15 or 4.16.0 64b kernels into BB running on the intel i5 sandy bridge hardware. Without forcing the intel driver it used SW rendering and forcing the intel driver it used the intel HW rendering. Haven't tried that on the intel Bay Trail (J1900 CPU) hardware. Interesting (maybe) that all is well on both the hardwares referenced above with the same Mesa release but as a 64bit build in a 64bit slackware based woof built pup (LxPupSc64 18.04).
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr 2018, 14:36    Post subject: Re: ArtfulPup (& Upup-Bionic-Beaver-RC)  

Marv wrote:
666philb wrote:

have you tried one of the latest kernels 4.15.15 or 4.14.32 with the complete latest firmware (this can be whittled down later)

i did a 64bit bionic build using xenials kernel and there were issues with nouveau but using the a 4.14 kernel fixed it.

note that xenials kernel in xenial is fine on the same comp
I got exactly the same behavior swapping peebees 4.15.15 or 4.16.0 64b kernels into BB running on the intel i5 sandy bridge hardware. Without forcing the intel driver it used SW rendering and forcing the intel driver it used the intel HW rendering. Haven't tried that on the intel Bay Trail (J1900 CPU) hardware. Interesting (maybe) that all is well on both the hardwares referenced above with the same Mesa release but as a 64bit build in a 64bit slackware based woof built pup (LxPupSc64 18.04).


hi Marv,

have you tried the complete set of firmware ? http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=97276

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr 2018, 15:15    Post subject: Re: ArtfulPup (& Upup-Bionic-Beaver-RC)  

666philb wrote:
have you tried the complete set of firmware ? http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=97276
Just had a go with that.

Latest uPupBB, 4.16.0 kernel referenced above swapped in, full firmware downloaded (roughly 120Mb) as an SFS and renamed as an upupbb adrv. Booted not forcing the intel driver (/lib/firmware now roughly 300Mb) and checked the renderer. As previously the SW renderer is chosen
Code:
Graphics:  Card: Intel 2nd Generation Core Integrated Graphics Controller
           Display Server: X.Org 1.19.6
           drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1366x768@60.00hz
           OpenGL: renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 6.0, 256 bits)
           version: 3.3 Mesa 18.0.0-rc5
with the most relevant part of the Xorg log here:
Code:
 39.389] (II) modeset(0): using drv /dev/dri/card0
[    39.420]    ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 23.0
[    39.474] (II) glamor: OpenGL accelerated X.org driver based.
[    40.151] (II) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI2 capable
[    42.331] (II) GLX: Initialized DRISWRAST GL provider for screen 0
I'll post, force the intel driver and add the results here...

Edit: Forcing intel driver gives HW rendering
Code:
# inxi -b
System:    Host: puppypc21034 Kernel: 4.16.0-lxpup64 x86_64 bits: 64
           Desktop: JWM 2.3.7 Distro: UPupBB 18.04
Machine:   Device: laptop System: FUJITSU product: LIFEBOOK S761 serial: R2500459
           Mobo: FUJITSU model: FJNB225 serial: N/A
           UEFI [Legacy]: FUJITSU // Phoenix v: Version 1.17 date: 03/14/2012
Battery    CMB1: charge: 62.2 Wh 100.0% condition: 62.2/62.2 Wh (100%)
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i5-2520M (-HT-MCP-) speed/max: 797/2501 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel 2nd Generation Core Integrated Graphics Controller
           Display Server: X.Org 1.19.6 driver: intel
           Resolution: 1366x768@60.00hz
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Sandybridge Mobile x86/MMX/SSE2
           version: 3.3 Mesa 18.0.0-rc5
Network:   Card: Qualcomm Atheros AR9287 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)
           driver: ath9k
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 64.0GB (45.2% used)
Info:      Processes: 136 Uptime: 18 min Memory: 202.3/4789.9MB
           Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.40

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr 2018, 15:19    Post subject: Re: ArtfulPup (& Upup-Bionic-Beaver-RC)  

666philb wrote:
have you tried the complete set of firmware ? http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=97276

I've tried 4.15.15 with full firmware....

same result - modesetting used instead of intel

I've also tried mesa from LxPupSc - again same result
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr 2018, 17:49    Post subject:  

hi peebee & Marv

try installing libegl-mesa0

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr 2018, 18:28    Post subject:  

Hi 666philb,

libegl-mesa0 installed, done both from the PPM where it didn't show up in .packages and from a BB deb where everything seemed ok. Installed libs double checked against the BB deb, rebooted. No HW rendering yet unless intel driver forced. Xorg log attached. This is on the i5 sandy bridge laptop with the stock uPupBB kernel.
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr 2018, 19:09    Post subject:  

hi Marv,
installing libegl-mesa0 got modesetting acceleration working on this older intel, although the modesetting driver suffers quite a bit of screen tearing on this comp.

i'll have access to a more modern intel i5 laptop tomorrow evening and will try bionic on it.

a last thought for now ....try installing libgles2 (note just restarting x is fine)

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr 2018, 19:44    Post subject:  

I noticed quite some time ago that Dpup Stretch defaults to modesetting rather than intel.
I was trying to find out some more about it just now and it looks like it is set as the default arrangement in many recent Linux distros including Debian and Ubuntu with xorg 1.19 or later.
Not sure if it is configured in the xorg build or what, but use of the intel driver is discouraged apparently. In the past when I have forced a switch to intel I have seen some stange looking font letters so just stuck with using modesetting. There was talk of using glamor to provide acceleration with modesetting but I didn't fully understand it. I think you can include a config file to force intel if you really want to, but I'm not sure it would be a good idea.

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr 2018, 20:31    Post subject:  

whilst the modesetting driver is getting higher frame rates in glxgears the screen tearing is pretty bad on this older intel. but from what i've read the this isn't the case on every setup, for some the modesetting driver is superior.
not for this guy though https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98876

the high cpu usage is probably just because acceleration isn't working due to missing libs.

as OscarTalks mentioned you can force the intel driver by adding a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf although that will need testing to see if it affects nvidia and amd booting.
Code:
Section "Device"
  Identifier  "Card0"
  Driver      "intel"
  VendorName  "INTEL Corporation"
  Option "DRI" "3"
  Option "TripleBuffer" "true"
  Option "TearFree" "true"
EndSection

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