[SOLVED] Which Puppy for old PC?
[SOLVED] Which Puppy for old PC?
There are so many Puppies these days I'm a little confused.
Which Puppy is best for an old Pentium 4 with 1 G memory? That is also very mainstream and standard?
Thank you.
Which Puppy is best for an old Pentium 4 with 1 G memory? That is also very mainstream and standard?
Thank you.
Last edited by benali72 on Tue 17 Apr 2018, 16:20, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Which Puppy for old PC?
I like tahrpup 6.0.6, but if you want knewer you could try Xenial Pup w/ the 4.1 kernal. If you want older you can try Lucid Revitalized. If you want even older then this you can try Anitaos (based on puppy 4.13).benali72 wrote:There are so many Puppies these days I'm a little confused.
Which Puppy is best for an old Pentium 4 with 1 G memory? That is also very mainstream and standard?
Thank you.
You specs are good enough for quite modern puppies but since 1GB isn't a lot by today's standards what I did is listed some versions of puppylinux above which have been updated somewhat recently and are lighter than the most recent version of puppylinux.
I've left out the slaco and quirky versions since I don't use them but I'm sure someone will recommend some good choices also along the slaco or quirky line.
However, that said one version of slaco that I want to try is X-Slacko Slim. One cool feature that it has is that it can use tinycore packages.
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There is also slacko5.7.1 that has an updated kernel to fix (on-going) Meltdown/Spectre concerns.
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I have an elderly Dell lappie (which has since been seriously 'modified' ), but, at the time when I installed Tahrpup 6.0.5, had exactly the same specs as your machine.
Although Tahrpup 6.0.6 is the newest version, I've found that that it just won't boot on a P4-based machine; 6.0.6 has all the UEFI stuff. Tahr 6.0.5, however, runs like a dream.
Precise 5.7.1 is also a good choice for that hardware. Xenial 7.0.8.1 (one of the slightly earlier 'betas') will run OK, but it is rather slow. 7.5 is the newest version, but I can't speak from experience, since I've never tried it.
The above are all Pups that I know for definite will run on that hardware, since I've used them all. As a final thought, Slacko 5.7.0 also works OK on that hardware, too.....although you may need to add an extra item to the kernel line in the bootloader, depending on what your graphics chip is.
01Micko lists the work-around under 'Known issues' here in the release notes for Slacko 5.5. It also applies to, and works for, Slacko 5.7.0.
http://01micko.com/slacko5.5/notes.html
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So, to re-cap:-
Tahrpup 6.0.5 - definitely http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pu ... .5_PAE.iso
Precise 5.7.1 - definitely http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/precis ... -5.7.1.iso
Xenialpup 7.0.8.1 - definitely http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/te ... 1-uefi.iso
Slacko 5.7.0 - possibly, dependent on graphics http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pu ... .0-PAE.iso
Those are my recommendations, for what they're worth. Hope that helps. The above are all PAE versions, but they've never given me any issues on that computer.
Any chance you can give us a make/model no./exact specs? It would help enormously. Intel used quite a mixture of graphics chips over time with the Pentium 4; some behave themselves better with Pup than others do..... The P4/1G RAM is absolutely fine.....but we do need to know what graphics chip you have.
Mike.
Although Tahrpup 6.0.6 is the newest version, I've found that that it just won't boot on a P4-based machine; 6.0.6 has all the UEFI stuff. Tahr 6.0.5, however, runs like a dream.
Precise 5.7.1 is also a good choice for that hardware. Xenial 7.0.8.1 (one of the slightly earlier 'betas') will run OK, but it is rather slow. 7.5 is the newest version, but I can't speak from experience, since I've never tried it.
The above are all Pups that I know for definite will run on that hardware, since I've used them all. As a final thought, Slacko 5.7.0 also works OK on that hardware, too.....although you may need to add an extra item to the kernel line in the bootloader, depending on what your graphics chip is.
01Micko lists the work-around under 'Known issues' here in the release notes for Slacko 5.5. It also applies to, and works for, Slacko 5.7.0.
http://01micko.com/slacko5.5/notes.html
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So, to re-cap:-
Tahrpup 6.0.5 - definitely http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pu ... .5_PAE.iso
Precise 5.7.1 - definitely http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/precis ... -5.7.1.iso
Xenialpup 7.0.8.1 - definitely http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/te ... 1-uefi.iso
Slacko 5.7.0 - possibly, dependent on graphics http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pu ... .0-PAE.iso
Those are my recommendations, for what they're worth. Hope that helps. The above are all PAE versions, but they've never given me any issues on that computer.
Any chance you can give us a make/model no./exact specs? It would help enormously. Intel used quite a mixture of graphics chips over time with the Pentium 4; some behave themselves better with Pup than others do..... The P4/1G RAM is absolutely fine.....but we do need to know what graphics chip you have.
Mike.
Last edited by Mike Walsh on Tue 17 Apr 2018, 11:00, edited 1 time in total.
This will take more work though right? Because I don't think the ISO has been updated in quite a while for Wary or Racy. I mean yes, the orginal poster could do this with Wary, Racy or Precise 5.7.1 but wouldn't it be easier to recommend something where the ISO already contains a newer browser?nic007 wrote:Wary or Racy with a relatively new Palemoon browser compiled by watchdog.
Regarding Wary & Racy, there is also Caroline, which is based on racy but has been updated more recently.
But back to Racy & Wary, if you are going to recommend this approach at least provide a link to instructions on how to properly install a new-ish version of palemoon.
Support for an IEEE printer
Greetings, This puppy project is one of my most favorites I must admit. The problem I'm having with the new puppies is that they do not support IEEE printers, CUPS says they are just not there or found. I need to upgrade from Wary soon however I'd be perfectly fine with Wary if I could just update the browser but GTK kit and libraries are just too old. In short this is the coolest distribution ever.
Open PPM, Configure and Update lists of packages. Restart PPM and install dbus and dbus-glib by PPM. Then install palemoon-27.8.3-p4-glibc219tweak.pet:s243a wrote:
But back to Racy & Wary, if you are going to recommend this approach at least provide a link to instructions on how to properly install a new-ish version of palemoon.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 676#973676
There are other updates available in the forum about some known software security vulnerabilities. The last openssl I have compiled for wary is 1.0.2m.
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@ s243a:-
Iron 58 is a Chrome 'clone', based on Chromium 58, since the last 32-bit Chrome offered by Google was 48.0.2564.116 (which I still use, though it is getting a wee bit dated now.) Oscar's 58 is more up-to-date; since it's a .pet, just download & click-to-install. Simple.
(Any newer than 58, and Iron (like Chromium) starts wanting a newer glibc, newer libstdc++.so.6, newer NSS libraries......etc, etc.)
Firefox 52esr is my own package, which I originally built a few months ago for somebody else. This I've just updated to the latest 52.7.3esr today, and it was built in Precise, so should be very straight-forward. It includes Oscar's 'libpulse' workaround for the audio, and the /root/.cache and /root/.mozilla directories are already in place; just need to be 'populated'! Once again, since it's a .pet, just download & click-to-install. Easy-peasy.
Oscar's Iron 58 can be found here:- https://yadi.sk/d/_S5b4g7tpcyZn?force_show=1
...and my Firefox 52.7.3esr can be found here:- http://www.mediafire.com/file/mchercjh2 ... .3-esr.pet , at my MediaFire a/c.
Both of these will run in 'stock' Precise 5.7.1 as is, with no further 'tweaking' necessary. Since I always install my browsers to /opt (a nice 'catch-all' directory), FF52esr shouldn't interfere with anything else. 571's built-in browser is a horrendously dated version of SeaMonkey.
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My PepperFlash 'auto-updater' .pet package (with grateful thanks to our Russian colleague sfs) can be found here:-
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/p3e52aq ... o-updaters
Just download the relevant version for Iron. (I had to do different versions because every Chromium 'clone' expects to find Pepper in a different place.....unlike the various Mozilla-based browsers, which all look for Flashplayer in one, standard location.)
Flash can, of course, be found in various places on the forum, but the easiest to use is probably Oscar's, which he keeps regularly updated. You can find it here:-
http://smokey01.com/OscarTalks/
Mike.
Fair comment. Well, for Precise, although I run a bevy of browsers, the two that are easiest to install are Oscar's Iron 58.....and Firefox 52esr.s243a wrote:True but I don't think that Precise 5.7.1 has been updated that recently.Mike Walsh wrote:Precise 5.7.1 is also a good choice for that hardware.
Mike.
Iron 58 is a Chrome 'clone', based on Chromium 58, since the last 32-bit Chrome offered by Google was 48.0.2564.116 (which I still use, though it is getting a wee bit dated now.) Oscar's 58 is more up-to-date; since it's a .pet, just download & click-to-install. Simple.
(Any newer than 58, and Iron (like Chromium) starts wanting a newer glibc, newer libstdc++.so.6, newer NSS libraries......etc, etc.)
Firefox 52esr is my own package, which I originally built a few months ago for somebody else. This I've just updated to the latest 52.7.3esr today, and it was built in Precise, so should be very straight-forward. It includes Oscar's 'libpulse' workaround for the audio, and the /root/.cache and /root/.mozilla directories are already in place; just need to be 'populated'! Once again, since it's a .pet, just download & click-to-install. Easy-peasy.
Oscar's Iron 58 can be found here:- https://yadi.sk/d/_S5b4g7tpcyZn?force_show=1
...and my Firefox 52.7.3esr can be found here:- http://www.mediafire.com/file/mchercjh2 ... .3-esr.pet , at my MediaFire a/c.
Both of these will run in 'stock' Precise 5.7.1 as is, with no further 'tweaking' necessary. Since I always install my browsers to /opt (a nice 'catch-all' directory), FF52esr shouldn't interfere with anything else. 571's built-in browser is a horrendously dated version of SeaMonkey.
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My PepperFlash 'auto-updater' .pet package (with grateful thanks to our Russian colleague sfs) can be found here:-
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/p3e52aq ... o-updaters
Just download the relevant version for Iron. (I had to do different versions because every Chromium 'clone' expects to find Pepper in a different place.....unlike the various Mozilla-based browsers, which all look for Flashplayer in one, standard location.)
Flash can, of course, be found in various places on the forum, but the easiest to use is probably Oscar's, which he keeps regularly updated. You can find it here:-
http://smokey01.com/OscarTalks/
Mike.
Last edited by Mike Walsh on Tue 17 Apr 2018, 18:14, edited 7 times in total.
What is worthwhile updating besides the browser? Watchdog has made a Palemoon.pet with the updated libraries required for Wary, Racy. Install like any other .pet or use as sfs-addon. When I use puppy, I still use Racy eventhough I also have Tahr 605. Racy is just so small, lightning fast and fun to work with. I did download watchdog's palemoon compilation and it works well (although I use Opera Mini for general browsing almost exclusively).s243a wrote:This will take more work though right? Because I don't think the ISO has been updated in quite a while for Wary or Racy. I mean yes, the orginal poster could do this with Wary, Racy or Precise 5.7.1 but wouldn't it be easier to recommend something where the ISO already contains a newer browser?nic007 wrote:Wary or Racy with a relatively new Palemoon browser compiled by watchdog.
Regarding Wary & Racy, there is also Caroline, which is based on racy but has been updated more recently.
But back to Racy & Wary, if you are going to recommend this approach at least provide a link to instructions on how to properly install a new-ish version of palemoon.
Wary.... for a start
Thanks for all the great advice.
I started off with Wary, and that works great. Now that I've got that going I feel at leisure to try some of the other suggestions here. I think I'll live boot Tahrpup and see how that goes.
Thank you all for your help.
BTW, I found this webpage excellent direction for old Pentium 4 and M computers --
h[url]ttp://puppylinux.org/wikka/WhatpuppyLinuxisbestforyou[/url]
I started off with Wary, and that works great. Now that I've got that going I feel at leisure to try some of the other suggestions here. I think I'll live boot Tahrpup and see how that goes.
Thank you all for your help.
BTW, I found this webpage excellent direction for old Pentium 4 and M computers --
h[url]ttp://puppylinux.org/wikka/WhatpuppyLinuxisbestforyou[/url]