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Remove automatic pupsave for frugal installs
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8Geee


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PostPosted: Sun 12 Nov 2017, 21:06    Post subject:  

Menu ---> System ---> Puppy Event Manager

1st Tab check "Activate'
2nd Tab enter Zero as the value
4th Tab "Power" enter Zero as the value.

NOTE: if you do a security update or add a new program, you would want to save these changes. In such case(s) click the SAVE icon on the desktop. If you do not have a SAVE icon on the desktop, go back into Pup Event Mgr and set the 4th tab to some reasonable number like 30 or 60. Note that X has to restart to take effect. Then you can click the SAVE icon. Again, when done, you can reset that 4th Tab to Zero.

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PostPosted: Mon 13 Nov 2017, 22:48    Post subject: Workarounds for No Save Icon on Desktop  

Hi 8Geee,

Thanks for the details about Puppy Event Manager.

The desktop Save Icon is only a symlink to /usr/sbin/save2flash with an icon. Some Window-Managers I've installed removed them. Or sometimes I've accidentally done so changing some desktop icon settings.

You can always execute a Manual Save by opening a terminal and typing the code: save2flash.

Before that command finally managed to find a home in my poor memory I create the attached pet which consists of only an icon and /usr/share/applications/Puppy-Save-Session.desktop whose Exec argument is /usr/sbin/save2flash.

So if my desktop Save icon ever got lost or stolen Smile all I had to do is install the pet, drag its desktop file to the desktop, and there edit its label.

The icon is in and named /usr/share/pixmaps/save48.png. You can replace the icon to one you prefer. But you can also override it on the desktop by right-clicking it, selecting File>Set Icon and dropping the icon of your choice onto the GUI's Box.

One of my Wallpapers is an Old Western Town in which one building bore a sign indicating it was a bank. I changed the icon to a large $. Figured Save was an appropriate label. Several of my Wallpapers are scenes which have streams, rivers or ponds. The icons I've use are fish, boats and water fowl. So as not to spoil the modes of these scenes, I've edited the icon text to be entirely blank, i.e., no text.

Nice, but I then have to try to remember where I've put the desktop Save Icon. Embarassed Laughing

The attached pet will also generate a Save-Session listing on the System Submenu.

mikesLr
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DavidSpector

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PostPosted: Sun 17 Dec 2017, 20:35    Post subject:  Questions about the desktop and downloads  

mikeslr, sorry for the newbie question (just curious, and I understood just a little of your 11 Nov message):

in Windows there is a directory called Desktop that contains exactly the files shown on the Windows Desktop. In puppies, does the X Desktop also shows files in a directory?

If so, what is the absolute path of that directory?

Can I use that directory as the download directory for the browser and other downloads? Or is this a bad idea, to mix commands with downloads? In Windows I find it handy to have everything I'm currently using on the Desktop, either as files, directories, or symlinks to files or directories. Then it is easy to move downloads into wherever they need to go.

If these questions are meaningless under Linux, just say that, thanks.
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musher0

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PostPosted: Sun 17 Dec 2017, 21:49    Post subject:  

HI David.

Some Puppies have the /root/Desktop folder as a politeness to those who use
WhineDose programs under Wine, But it has nothing to do with the ROX desktop
Puppy uses.

The icons on the ROX desktop are stored in a file, not a folder. If you open file
/root/Choices/ROX-Filer/PuppyPin, you'll see all the desktop items listed in it, with their
coordinates relative to the screen size. As to the corresponding icons, they are stored
in file /root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/ROX-Filer/globicons.

It's completely different.

IHTH.

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PostPosted: Mon 18 Dec 2017, 01:57    Post subject: Re: Questions about the desktop and downloads  

DavidSpector wrote:
In Windows I find it handy to have everything I'm currently using on the Desktop, either as files, directories, or symlinks to files or directories. Then it is easy to move downloads into wherever they need to go..
When i used to use Windows in a Corporate environment the I.T guys always told me "stop putting things on your desktop - it is only a 'virtual' environment and you are going to run out of profile space" (which happened more than once and caused system slowdowns and lockups...)

Ever since then I don't use the desktop at all. I think it is good practice (in both Windows and Linux) to move every file to a permanent storage location that you have specifically selected as a suitable storage media.

This strategy also becomes useful if your pupsave file (or folder) becomes damaged - anything on the "Desktop" can be lost.

If your data is important my advice is - put it somewhere other than the Desktop - and then also make a backup copy of it online or somewhere safe.
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PostPosted: Mon 18 Dec 2017, 02:00    Post subject: Re: Questions about the desktop and downloads  

DavidSpector wrote:
in Windows there is a directory called Desktop that contains exactly the files shown on the Windows Desktop..
Actually - I don't think that is true - they look as if they are on the "Desktop" but they actually are not. They are stored somewhere else and the "Desktop" is really only an artificial index (or hidden shortcut) to their real location.
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PostPosted: Mon 18 Dec 2017, 03:52    Post subject:  

Hi, David

I suggest creating a download folder (with name of your choice) on one of your partitions with enough space but ouside of the running filesystem. Look at the left-bottom of the desktop for the available partitions. So for example: left-click on sda1 > right-click in a space in the window and select new and directory from the popup menus > create your folder with name of your choice (say Downloads). The path to this folder you have created will be shown on top of the window when you open the folder.
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PostPosted: Mon 18 Dec 2017, 12:01    Post subject: "download folder"  

nic007 wrote:
Hi, David

I suggest creating a download folder (with name of your choice) on one of your partitions with enough space but ouside of the running filesystem. Look at the left-bottom of the desktop for the available partitions. So for example: left-click on sda1 > right-click in a space in the window and select new and directory from the popup menus > create your folder with name of your choice (say Downloads). The path to this folder you have created will be shown on top of the window when you open the folder.

David, I endorse what nic007 said, as I understood it.

I have one called
Quote:
/mnt/sdb3/Downloads

I usually boot Xenial (sometimes other Puppys) from /mnt/sda1

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PostPosted: Mon 18 Dec 2017, 12:49    Post subject: Keeping Unnecessary Files Out of RAM  

Hi David,

Just providing another reason to have the files you download go directly to your hard-drive.

As you are running a Frugal Tahrpup, I'll refer to what happens under it. In other Puppies, only the names would change.

If you Left-click the icon on a Tahrpup's OOTB Desktop at the top left corner with the name "Home" or "Files" a window will open to /root. It is something like the "Documents and Settings" folder under Windows. In Frugal Puppies, however, every time you boot up the contents of this folder are newly created in RAM by copying some files/folders --in Linux a folder is just a specialized file-- from vmlinuz, puppy_tahr_6.0.5.sfs, zdrv_tahr_6.0.5.sfs and your tahrsave-xxx.sfs, and creating links (inodes) to the rest of the contents of those files.

The important point is that they whatever is in /root is in RAM, reducing the amount of RAM you have for productive work.

If you download a file into /root/Desktop or /root/Downloads, that file also occupies RAM. Say, for example, you decided to try out Geoffrey's 228.6 Mb graphic suite adrive, http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=937257#937257. It will remain in RAM until you move it, or perform a Save and reboot. Exclusive of other things occupying RAM, you've reduced your usable RAM from 1 Gb to 771.4 Mbs. If you don't move it, after a Save and Reboot, at least some RAM will be used to point to it now in your SaveFile. And if you don't move it and shutdown/reboot without Saving, the file you downloaded is gone because RAM is cleared on shutdown/reboot.

The better way to imitate what you were doing under Windows is to create a Downloads folder on /mnt/home*. Left-Click the desktop-drive icon of your Home Partition/Drive. It will have an 'x' at its top-right corner immediately on bootup. This will open a window to the contents of your Home Partition. Right-Click an empty space, select New>Directory from the popup Menu, and give it a name, such as Downloads. You can drag this folder to your desktop which will create a symbolic link (short-cut) to it. Then configure your Web-browser to use that folder for its downloads.

As you are using Palemoon, click Edit on its Taskbar, then Preferences, then General, then the radio-button next to the phrase "Save Files to" and then browse to /mnt/home/Downloads. My preference after setting a default download folder is to then check the button "Always Ask...".

Although you could create a Downloads folder --or whatever you want to call it-- on any drive/partition, by default only /mnt/home is mounted automatically on bootup. You can, however, configure Tahrpup to automatically mount other partitions using Menu>Filesystem>pmount. See bigpup's post: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=976543#976543

Although Puppies can have access to any drive/partition, to do so such drive/partition has to be mounted. When they are mounted a link to them is created at /mnt (and I think something is also written to /etc). Puppies will then automatically follow the link to the actual drive/partition. Unfortunately, Puppies are not smart enough to know by themselves when a drive/partition isn't mounted. That makes it possible to execute instructions by which a Puppy will write directly in /mnt or in a "folder" in /mnt --for example /mnt/sda2-- representing a short-cut to a drive/partition which hasn't been, is is no longer, mounted. When that happens, Puppy is no longer able to create the link to the actual drive/partition, and you can no longer access that drive/partition until the file improperly written is deleted.

In short, if you configure your Puppy to automatically use other than its Home Partition, remember to have such other partition automatically mounted.

mikesLr

* It is my understanding that that is pretty much what Windows actually does: that is the folders "in" Documents and Settings" are actually just short-cuts to locations on the physical partition on which Windows resides (C: drive). Windows does not maintain the strict distinction between RAM and Storage that Puppies maintain. Consequently, it constantly writes to Storage, slowing down its execution of every operation.
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PostPosted: Fri 20 Apr 2018, 00:58    Post subject: With no Pupsave, but files on Hardrive
Subject description: Airplane is slow as a train.
 

just an aparte about mikeslr information (always safe, you can trust him)..
If Puppy linux can run without changing anything in your hard drive, that means that everyting is loaded in RAM, and you can remove your CD or DVD from the player.
That is false with Other Linux OS, where CD or DVD or Hard disk is permanently working.. so the OS has the speed of CD, or DVD or Hard drive but not the RAM one, 1000 x faster..

With no Pupsave, Your Puppy is like a common oS, slow as them, because Puppy always is working with hardware outside RAM ... Like an airplane linked to a train, it's no longer a Puppy.
Folders on hard disk, grub2 i/O Grub4dos, all that way of doing kill Puppy Linux innovation and makes Puppy loose huge performance it had compared with vintage (and boring) Linux.
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PostPosted: Mon 18 Jun 2018, 13:23    Post subject: for mess with operating system  

mikeb wrote:
The sfs size only affects the size of the tmpfs when ram space is limited...above a certain point its a blanket calculation that you experience.
By the way do any of you actually use yer computers to do anything other than mess with operating systems.
Mike

That is a real pleasure for you.. not sure that downloaders download Puppy Linux for mess with operating system (famous passengers)
Whatever, remove automatic pupsave is efficient in PUPMODE 13
and PUPMODE 12 when pup_RW is transfererd in RAM to pup_ro1 to give user choice to save or not at shutdown, or during session.
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PostPosted: Sat 21 Jul 2018, 13:23    Post subject: Pupeventmanager set 'never, only at shutdown.  

Pupeventmanager set 'never, only at shutdown.
Puppies should be delivered .with this setting as default. What a permanent writing is of interest ? Just slows down Puppy Linux and makes processors working hard.. For old laptops its important.
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