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nic007


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PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr 2018, 06:44    Post subject:  

The inclusion of VLC in place of MPlayer in newer puppys has been an improvement. Not so sure about Palemoon over Seamonkey. Seamonkey as a suite offers more and I don't think there is much difference in size. Any reason for the switch to Palemoon?
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RetroTechGuy


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PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr 2018, 13:25    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
If it is not broken do not fix it!

But we need newer programs, that use more code to do the same thing, so Puppy will be bigger and use more RAM! Shocked Rolling Eyes

We are Puppy!
Resistance is futile!


Some decades ago, a buddy of mine started using the acronym "DFWATR" (diff-water)...

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april

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr 2018, 17:30    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
If it is not broken do not fix it!
But we need newer programs, that use more code to do the same thing, so Puppy will be bigger and use more RAM! :shock: :roll:
We are Puppy!
Resistance is futile!

Yeh but software from 6 years ago or more?
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Burn_IT


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PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr 2018, 18:19    Post subject:  

If it does what is needed why change it.

I once worked for a company that produced a piece of software that is used for planning large projects and we released an update every three months that mostly catered for new hardware and legal changes, but usually only included major new software once a year.

One three month cycle had no changes whatsoever, but the management made us go through the motions and release a new version that was logically identical to the previous one (perhaps a few library routines included during compiling had been updated, but those were out of our control???).
That was when I decided I didn't want to work for that company even though I did enjoy working there.

Shortly later the company went under, even though the product was successful.

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s243a

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr 2018, 18:51    Post subject:  

april wrote:
bigpup wrote:
If it is not broken do not fix it!
But we need newer programs, that use more code to do the same thing, so Puppy will be bigger and use more RAM! Shocked Rolling Eyes
We are Puppy!
Resistance is futile!

Yeh but software from 6 years ago or more?


Why not tell us which software you want updated and why?
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bigpup


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PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr 2018, 20:18    Post subject:  

We are Puppy.
You need to buy the newer version of Puppy.
The newer software is better and we need some more money. Shocked
Sorry, that is Windows not Puppy!

The very newest official releases of Puppy do have some newer core programs.
They have been improved to work better and not be buggy.
How Puppy works has even changed some.

But the changes are done for a very good reason, not to just give the software a newer release date.
Some programs just do what they need to do and nothing is needed to improve them or bug fix them.
Good code is good code.

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darry19662018

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr 2018, 21:38    Post subject:  

Palemoon just works better than Firefox for me and the fact they still support gtk2.Smile
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hamoudoudou

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr 2018, 22:15    Post subject: New scripts  

Puppy linux works really well with my hardware (Version 6) but my computer now if 6 years old. It seems that problems are mainly with 'windows 8 and 10' computers..
However that is a fact that some bin is worth updated, seriously, not for learning programming.. and if the 'scripts' are really well done, to be validated by incude in all iSOs, at least to be added in Noarch PPM
A tiny part of downloaders come in this forum to study what pet is to be added to standard ISO delivered in downloading site.
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musher0

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr 2018, 22:20    Post subject:  

Hello April and all.

According to this:
www.beerhistory.com/library/holdings/raley_timetable.shtml
some recipes for beer are over 4,500 years old. (Provisions in Noah's Ark,
Ancient Babylon [they had 20 types of beer already!]).

I wouldn't worry about a script being 5-6 years old!!! Laughing Wink

The comparison may look silly. What I mean is:
once a good thing, always a good thing.

BFN.

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hamoudoudou

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr 2018, 23:30    Post subject: beer but not only.  

beer but not only.. Latin or arabic language are good to use.. by monks ! Seriously, some binaries are outdated. Just check and update them.. you like it, dear linux experts..
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april

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PostPosted: Wed 25 Apr 2018, 03:34    Post subject:  

All this talk of beer makes me thirsty.

I spend a bit of time on github messing with stuff and i find there are always new bits and pieces of programs that need changing for security or to fix a bug or add a feature .

S242b .........The fact that something was compiled 6 years or more ago worries me because even the compilers have changed dramatically in that time as you know.
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greengeek


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PostPosted: Wed 25 Apr 2018, 06:57    Post subject:  

8Geee wrote:
OpenSSL support is important.
But why?

Did we ever reach a point where Windows updates stopped because they reached a point of stable security? Updates spawn more updates.

Puppy has become too similar to Windows now. Too much inclination to do what Google says is good and right. What happens when our banks suddenly say "sorry guys - we won't deal with any version of SSL other than that which is currently approved by Google"?

We might only be a few months away from that point.

Are we going to jump through hoops and buy new hardware just so we can run "secure" software so that our service providers can force us to dance to their tune?

And the software written in the last year - is it perfect enough to last 6 years? I doubt it's any better than software written 6 years ago (comparing apples with apples...)

In any case - Puppy is about running fast software on underpowered machines. Or at least that is what it used to be about. No-one ever said it was able to compete with the big boys in terms of R&D security budgets.

Take a risk. Run the 6 year old software.
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Burn_IT


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PostPosted: Wed 25 Apr 2018, 07:48    Post subject:  

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And the software written in the last year - is it perfect enough to last 6 years? I doubt it's any better than software written 6 years ago (comparing apples with apples...)
All software contains errors and new software that does the same job as old software will just re-introduce the errors that had been fixed as well as a rack of new ones.
I once did a study of software bugs, testing, and quality assurance.
We(QA team) took a newly written system, before any testing had been done, and deliberately inserted a number of known (to us) errors. The system was then tested by the original team as normal.
When they were completely happy with it, we studied it and checked to see what percentage of our known errors were detected and corrected (and those incorrectly corrected).
This gave us a reasonable idea of how many REAL bugs were found, corrected or created.
This was all done with the knowledge of the development team so that there was no finger pointing or blaming and was accepted as a purely statistical study by all.

The conclusion was that between 15 and 20 percent of the bugs in any system are not found during testing, no matter how thorough it is.

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PostPosted: Wed 25 Apr 2018, 14:17    Post subject:  

Quote:
Take a risk. Run the 6 year old software.

is windows 2000 and linux from 2008 ok?????????
will I die?????!!!!!
worried mike... Shocked
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nic007


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PostPosted: Wed 25 Apr 2018, 14:59    Post subject:  

Hi, mike

I see all the main browsers have their very last releases for all Windows prior to Windows 7 (some will release security upfdates for these last releases for a while). What a sad state of affairs. Sad
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