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#21 Post by ally »

thanks, I understood source.....!

100gig of kernels going up to archive now, few more sources to chase down when it's finished

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#22 Post by musher0 »

ally wrote:thanks, I understood source.....!

100gig of kernels going up to archive now, few more sources to chase down when it's finished

:)
Indeed, a huge amount of huge kernels!!! Mind-boggling...
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just kernels at the mo, hunting ongoing

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64-bit Kernel 4.14.0 - 1st release of the latest LTS kernel.....needs an fdrv....can also be used with 32-bit pups as long as your cpu is 64-bit capable.
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#25 Post by sheldonisaac »

Hi, please excuse; I did an Internet search for: explain huge kernels
No luck.

What are they, and why would I use them? (And while we're at it, how to use them)

Thanks a lot.
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#26 Post by musher0 »

HI Sheldon.

Thje expression "huge kernel" was coined by Puppy's new top dog, Micheal Amadio,
aka 01micko, a few years ago. It's "huge" in the sense that it brings together in an
archive the kernel proper plus several other essential elements, as explained by
peebee above:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... ost#972043

It's a Puppy "feature". Other distros do not do that, at least not like we do it.

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#27 Post by sheldonisaac »

musher0 wrote:HI Sheldon.

Thje expression "huge kernel" was coined by Puppy's new top dog, Micheal Amadio,
aka 01micko, a few years ago. It's "huge" in the sense that it brings together in an
archive the kernel proper plus several other essential elements, as explained by
peebee above:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... ost#972043

It's a Puppy "feature". Other distros do not do that, at least not like we do it.

IHTH.
OK, thank you. Do ordinary users like me need concern ourselves with these packages?
(I had used Puppys like 214X (by ttuuxx), Lucid by playdayz and now rerwin, some slackos, and recently tahr, and now will be using your Xenial as my everyday OS)
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#28 Post by musher0 »

Nope! :D
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Hi All,

I noticed that some of the packages appearing @ http://archive.org/download/Puppy_Linux_Kernels have a "pfs" ending, such as 000-kernel-3.13.0-24-generic.sfs.pfs. What are they? How are they used?

peebee has kindly made 64-bit Kernel 4.14.0 available. Link a couple of posts above this one. I note that 4.14 has been designated as being Long Term Support, and is one of the first kernels for which patches against the meltdown and spectre vulnerabilities are being developed. Taking into consideration that an fdrv.sfs is required (which peebee has also made available) and that not all Puppies are "fdrv aware", can these be used in Puppies other than LxPup?

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#30 Post by ally »

russian version of sfs from puppyrus-a repos

they can just be renamed .sfs

:)

edit: dedicated page for huge kernels here: http://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_Huge-Kernels

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mikeslr wrote:Taking into consideration that an fdrv.sfs is required (which peebee has also made available) and that not all Puppies are "fdrv aware", can these be used in Puppies other than LxPup?

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Short answer=yes. Longer answer - if fdrv is not automatically loaded by init (only likely in very old pups) then you could try explicitly loading it as an .sfs assuming that it isn't needed on the very first boot to get a basic system running.....as always in pupland - try it and see :wink:

Otherwise the zdrv and fdrv would need to be "combined"....

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#32 Post by mikeslr »

Thanks peebee,

Probably could have used your first suggestion, but your second method worked fine with Xenialpup64.

Ally, changing the "pfs" ending to "sfs" does, in fact, enable their contents to be viewed and perhaps used with non-Russian-built Puppies. However, I have some doubts about the later. An examination of the included files revealed several with suffixes I'm not familiar with from my dissection of other Puppies and applications.

I didn't test, nor expend the time which would have been necessary to ascertain how those files functioned within their system.

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#33 Post by ozsouth »

I've made a 64bit Slacko compatible 4.9.94 kernel via Puppy kernel-kit, with the cutdown firmware option. Is Spectre/Meltdown mitigated.
Adding needed firmware to (or using another) fdrv will be helpful. Uses performance cpu governor by default (max speed).
Have swapped it into Slacko64 6.9.9.9 and LxpupSc64 18.03. Works ok in both. As usual, use at own risk.

Kernel: http://archive.org/download/Puppy_Linux ... 64.tar.bz2
md5: a84bf520693321ffa78062fe9335097e huge-4.9.94-s64.tar.bz2

Sources: https://archive.org/download/Puppy_Linu ... 94-s64.sfs
md5: 25c7d6be2f67188d98b7e2f3e339f94b output/kernel_sources-4.9.94-s64.sfs

Thanks to ally for mirroring.
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Re: Couple of Questions

#35 Post by musher0 »

peebee wrote:
mikeslr wrote:Taking into consideration that an fdrv.sfs is required (which peebee has also made available) and that not all Puppies are "fdrv aware", can these be used in Puppies other than LxPup?

mikesLr
Hi Mike

Short answer=yes. Longer answer - if fdrv is not automatically loaded by init (only likely in very old pups) then you could try explicitly loading it as an .sfs assuming that it isn't needed on the very first boot to get a basic system running.....as always in pupland - try it and see :wink:

Otherwise the zdrv and fdrv would need to be "combined"....

Cheers
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Hello, peebee, mikeslr and all.

It used to be (around the time of jrb's Puppy 4.12 / 4.21) that Puppy
would load automatically any sfs with its version number in it. (E.g.
something like openoffice_4.12.sfs, gimp_4.12.sfs, etc.) Has that capacity
been removed from the init in new Puppies?

(This is a real question, not a rhetorical one: if that capacity is still there,
it could be put to good use. Also, if this capacity is still present, combining
the fdrv with the zdrv would not be necessary.)

In any case, one could still load this fdrv sfs through sfs_load, no?

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#36 Post by peebee »

musher0 wrote:Has that capacity
been removed from the init in new Puppies?
AFAIK - yes.
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#37 Post by ozsouth »

Info on 4.9.94 64bit kernel 4 posts up, as I should have done it at first.
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#38 Post by ozsouth »

I've made a 64bit Slacko compatible 4.14.35 kernel via Puppy kernel-kit, with the no firmware option. Is Spectre/Meltdown mitigated.
Needs firmware by making own (or using another) fdrv . Uses performance cpu governor by default (max speed). As usual, use at own risk.

Kernel: https://archive.org/download/Puppy_Linu ... oz.tar.bz2
md5: bcfb60c7cb3aeccc725656078ef7726d huge-4.14.35-s64oz.tar.bz2

Sources: https://archive.org/download/Puppy_Linu ... -s64oz.sfs
md5: 79db21861a5d2d9be9a94c11de5822ab output/kernel_sources-4.14.35-s64oz.sfs
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#40 Post by ozsouth »

I made a 64bit Slacko compatible 4.14.47 kernel via Puppy kernel-kit, with the no firmware option. Need firmware by making (or using another) fdrv.
Is Spectre/Meltdown mitigated. Uses performance cpu governor by default (max speed).
Have swapped it into Slacko64 6.9.9.9 and LxpupSc64 18.03. Works ok in both. As usual, use at own risk.

Kernel: https://archive.org/download/Puppy_Linu ... oz.tar.bz2
md5: 5f7f80ffa2ba8250fc0beba240cbb002

Sources: https://archive.org/download/Puppy_Linu ... -s64oz.sfs
md5: 92af983e8df7a9bfa807d5fc914bdfe8
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