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How to use one-hand Dvorak [DVR] in Xenialpup 7.5?
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Donncha

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PostPosted: Tue 01 May 2018, 17:15    Post subject:  How to use one-hand Dvorak [DVR] in Xenialpup 7.5?  

After 3 months and with limited time available for the project have not even reached first base with Puppy and I am a tad depressed!
I hope someone can help!
I cannot do serious work with a QUERTY keyboard!
Since the early days of XP I have used Dvorak for Right Hand [DVR] or my own version made with the Micro$oft keyboard making tool. With either of these keyboards I can touch type. Touch typing is important to me as not only do I have no functional left hand I have no functional left eye -- and the right one is in no great shape.
In Puppy setup Languages I can chose Dvorak-r [DVR] but it does not load. The Information button "I" warns me this may happen and asks me to report this [that’s what I am doing!!].
Setup tells me where the keyboards are stored [/etc/xll/xkb/symbols] -- I looked there but was out of my depth.
In an attempt to resolve this i have tried out half a dozen other distros and on one or two Dvorak [for two hands] has loaded but not Dvorak-r. I wanted to try Ubuntu but could not get it to run live from flash.
So I dusted off an old disused computer with a CD drive dating from 2000 with XP still on it and loaded Ubuntu on top of XP. [As an aside this PC happily works with XP but choked on Ubuntu and i ended up with a cut down version. As a further aside IMHO Ubuntu is a horrible OS and even worse in my hate list than Windose10 and but I boot them both from time to time to see if i have overlooked any redeeming features apart from the fact that they both let me use the DVR keyboard!]
I had the idea I could copy the DVR keyboard from Ubuntu to Puppy but i have no idea how to do this.
I have searched for a solution and stumbled on other people with the problem but did not stumble on the way to solve it.
Any help gratefully received!
Don Smile
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PostPosted: Tue 01 May 2018, 17:41    Post subject:  

I'm running xenialpup64 7.5

EDIT On my desktop Setup icon gives a screen for keyboard and choosing layout for your country there is a dropdown list containing dvorak right and left options .layout variants in the menu keyboard options gives it too Probably no need to read past this.

I went to PPM (Puppy Package Manager) and typed Dvorak in the search and up came two so I installed the one with Dvorak in the name .

I have no idea how to start that as the setup ->keyboard gives no mention.
It does not start in a terminal
Perhaps you do

http://www.kaufmann.no/roland/dvorak/linux.html might help
I'll see if I can download and compile a source to run on mine

I tried this
Code:
wget http://www.kaufmann.no/downloads/linux/kbddvp-1_2_1-src-linux.tgz
DVP_DIR=$(mktemp -t -d kbddvp.XXXXXX)
cat kbddvp-1_2_1-src-linux.tgz | gzip -d | tar xf - -C $DVP_DIR
pushd $DVP_DIR/kbddvp-1.2

And it came down into /temp
I made all scripts with .sh executeable and then opened a terminal right there and typed ./home.install.sh . That installs something .

I could not find how to see or use this but there was a menu entry in Fun for dvorak7min which was a tutorial so gotta leave you with that for now
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Donncha

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PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2018, 06:35    Post subject:  

Thank you April

I had assumed people would have read my earlier posts but forgot this would be a new subject so the background would not necessarily be seen. I apologise.

I am like you running xenialpup 7.5. and like you in your red edit found Dvorak for Right hand as an option keyboard language. But when I tried it [20 times on xenial and half a dozen other puppy distros] IT DOES NOT WORK. Furthermore on the information button “I” it warns me it may not work.

On one distro [forgot which] it defaulted to Dvorak for Both Hands. This is useless for me and even worse than Querty. You can identify Dvorak-r DVR by typing the first few characters of the querty row: instead of “querty” you would get “56q.or”.

The rest of your post I fear is not anything I can understand. Should you be interested let me explain, yes its tedious! I am 88 and am windows literate having started in the sands of time with MS-DOS and found XP did everything I needed so never upgraded to vista, Win7 or 8. Last year I bought a more fuel efficient computer and it has been fixed not to load XP, only Win 10 --- and Linux of course.

For family reasons I need to dual boot. Personally I hate Win10 with a great hatred. As I have used for years a Puppy distro [Jemimah’s Puppeee] just as it came out of the box on a travel mini-laptop for Mail, Google and Skype and never had to bother my head about learning linux-speak, using a terminal, code and this kind of stuff I do not want to start on this learning curve at my age.

I arrived at choosing Xenial by investing a good deal of time and effort with much help from this wonderful forum. I have chosen and have it loaded on three computers!! I have made up my mind: I get it to work or I quit Linux. XenialPup has everything I need just the way it is – except for the keyboard issue. This seems such a simple matter to me -- just inserting one more keyboard in the hundreds of others already there. Perhaps just a “symbol” [whatever that is] in …/etc/xll/xkb/symbols.

I am writing this on a Dvorak-r keyboard on Windows 10 much as I hate it. If nobody can help me I suppose I will just learn to like Win10 – I have stripped my installation of most of its bloat but it is still horrible and offers 100 features for every one I need. Reminds me of when I am dying for a drink I get asked: Tea or Coffee? maybe juice? Tea! India or China? Hot or cold? Hot! Do you want milk? Sugar? How many lumps? Mug okay or do you want a cup and saucer? Sure you dont want Nescafe? Now please confirw these choices! I am sorry you dont have the right privilages to make these choises……..

Don
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PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2018, 14:22    Post subject:  

Perhaps 666Philb might help you .
I would suggest a PM
learning new stuff is said to prevent dementure
If you still remember this tomorrow try the Setup-> PPM anyway , its pretty easy as is Phil's Setup->quickpet xenial in the menu
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PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2018, 15:37    Post subject:  

Thanks April.
I will look at PPM tonight. Only reason I didn't yesterday was I was using Win10 for my sins being unable to use Xenial!
At the moment I am using an iPad and unbelievably see all the attachments to your post that Win10 did not show me "for my protection" yesterday. Will look at Phil too.
Yes dementia is a bugger but I hope to be dead before it strikes. I am learning Mandarin and try to do an hour or two every day and weekends with teacher in Beijing using Skype on iPads. I help with her English. This is challenging enough and I have no real interest in learning more IT - just need to be able to use an OS to do mail and browse. Nothing else. Xenial fits the bill out of the box (apart for the keyboard problem)!!
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PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2018, 17:03    Post subject:  

hello Donncha

I got to your 56q.or this way:
- from the menu > Setup > Mouse/keyboard Wizard
-- Layout for your country > dvorak-r
-- Advanced configuration > OK > Layout Variants > 10: dvorak-r > OK > Yes > Exit
Important not to forget the final Yes !!! OK and Yes

It works for me in all Puppies I've tried: dPupStretch, slacko700RC and Xenialpup.
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PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2018, 17:23    Post subject:  

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Whoops had to change back
Yep working for me too
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PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2018, 18:52    Post subject:    

Hi FoxPup
A month ago I tried the Keyboard Wizard but missed the advanced tab and got nowhere except went back to Languages which also got me nowere.
You are some kind of genius. I am dumb it seems. I never went back and tried Keyboard again and I can only conclude Microsoft had brainwashed me to make keyboard setups via Langeges as that is the way they have always done it in their control panel.
I big thank you FoxPup and April for taking an interest too. I feel I can now start to learn to use my new and hopefully last OS
Cheers
Don
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PostPosted: Thu 03 May 2018, 05:36    Post subject:  

.... or try another Puppy. There are so many to enjoy. Smile
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http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=117146
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