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Tiny Core Linux 32-bit wifi configuring

#2781 Post by wiak »

For dCoreDog see: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=949292

UPDATED 28March2019:

Tiny Core Linux

Latest 32-bit tinycorelinux version 10.x (18MB download). Probably just need to change 10.x to latest XX.x when newer version comes out...
After installation, neither ethernet nor wifi found to be working on my
HP Elitebook 2530p laptop which needs wifi iwlwifi firmware (and more) for wifi to work.
Installation steps used to get working (including wifi but I didn't bother about ethernet since don't have an ethernet cable connection - if I did, would need firmware driver: not sure which but maybe firmware-intel_e100.tcz for my machine):

EDIT below: Personally I'm now using 64bit version instead since I prefer that owing to needed by some programs I use - instruction differences for 64-bits TC are included below.
Downloaded 32-bit Tiny Core (around 18MB) using my internet-connected XenialDog64 system, from:

http://tinycorelinux.net/10.x/x86/relea ... urrent.iso

1. Frugal installed it (including grub4dos menu.lst) onto my hd partition /mnt/sda5 as follows:

2. mkdir -p /mnt/sda5/tinycore32/

3. Clicked on the tinycore iso and that opened it up in filemanager in XenialDog64.
Copied the iso's /boot and /cde directories into /mnt/sda5/tinycore32/

4. Renamed cde to tce.

5. Whilst still on internet in XenialDog64, went to tinycorelinux v10.x repository page:

http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/10.x/x86/tcz/
or if building 64bit tinycorelinux:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux ... 86_64/tcz/

From there, downloaded the following tcz extensions needed to get wifi on my system.
For each of the following, I ALSO downloaded the associated xxx.md5.txt files and,
as shown, any that also had a xxx.dep file,
and stored everything in /mnt/sda5/tinycore32/tce/optional/:

firmware-iwlwifi.tcz
libiw.tcz
libnl.tcz
ncursesw.tcz (note the w at end of ncursesw)
openssl-<version>.tcz
readline.tcz AND readline.tcz.dep
wifi.tcz AND wifi.tcz.dep
wireless-<kernel_version>-tinycore.tcz
wireless-tools.tcz AND wireless-tools.tcz.dep
wpa_supplicant.tcz AND wpa_supplicant.tcz.dep

[EDIT: for tinycorelinux 64-bit version, you need to use:
wpa_supplicant-dbus.tcz AND wpa_supplicant-dbus.tcz.deb,
which depends on,
dbus.tcz, which depends on expat2.tcz, so download all these too should you instead be installing 64-bit tiny core linux
Seems you might now (tinycore10.x) also need: elogind.tcz, acl.tcz, and attr.tcz
end:EDIT]

Note that you only need to include wifi.tcz and firmware-iwlwifi.tcz in optional/onboot.lst so they automatically get loaded at next boot. Dependencies of packages are always found and loaded automatically by the tinycore system at boot time.

6. For my grub4dos menu.lst I used:

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title tinycore32 sda5
root (hd0,4)
kernel /tinycore32/boot/vmlinuz showapps tce=sda5/tinycore32/tce/ desktop=flwm_topside
initrd /tinycore32/boot/core.gz
If booting from a usb stick you'll need additional waitusb=5 at end of the menu.lst kernel line.

7. After booting, I loaded the needed wireless tcz files and, from opened terminal used
wifi.sh to connect using following commands:

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tce-load -i firmware-iwlwifi wifi
followed by:

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sudo wifi.sh
That's it.

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ping google.com

or whatever now works from a terminal etc...

At this stage you can download/install, using tc's GUI "Apps" browser program, whatever apps tinycorelinux has in its repo.
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If your machine doesn't use firmware iwlwifi then you need to find and substitute the firmware-<your_wifi_firmware>.tcz etc for your system.

Much the same as above is required, on my iwlwifi machine at least,
for a tinycorelinux 64-bit version install, but grub4dos menu.lst very different cos 32-bit tiny core by default uses Xvesa whereas 64-bit uses X framebuffer (though you can later install Xorg in either version); so my menu.lst for the 64-bit tinycorelinux using framebuffer is as follows:

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title tinycore64 harddrive sda5
root (hd0,4)
kernel /tinycore64/boot/vmlinuz64 loglevel=3 tce=sda6/tinycore/tce/ vga=791 video=vesafb:ywrap,mtrr:3
initrd /tinycore64/boot/corepure64.gz
This basic system is super small and VERY fast but even for a minimal system you'll want to use the applications manager to load up a filemanager. I recommend the very simple tinycore "fluff" filemanager. Of course, you'll want to load a browser, for general use, which will swell the size very significantly... However, I've currently just cloud-loaded fast/tiny dillo browser for typing this post.

All-in-all, tinycorelinux is a great little swiss-army-knife of a system - and nice just using ondemand loading cloud-stored apps for whatever you want to do whenever... though it's also easy enough to store the apps permanently/with-persistence and for immediate availability on boot. You'll also want to get used to using sudo for root-access permissions to directories outside of tc home (though fluff includes sudo inbuilt capability for when you need it). The default-provided FLWM desktop window manager is also super tiny and flexible (though you can change to JWM or openbox, for example, if you wish) - just right-click on its background for Application management and lots of other stuff...

EDIT: Note that, by default, tinycore can read files from ntfs filesystems too, but if you want to ability to also write to ntfs you need to download/install ntfs-3g.tcz.

EDIT2: I've also tested current slitaz-rolling release. A very easy frugal install for that one and beautiful to use and look at. Find my report/howto below link:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 157#990157

Slitaz is best of breed for me.

wiak


EDIT_28Mar2019: Posting from latest 64bit Tiny Core Linux version 10.x right now. I used 'Apps' browser program to first search for fastest mirror, and then used Apps -> Cloud (Remote) ->Browse to fetch (OnBoot selected): firefox-Getlatest.tcz (followed by running the resultant installed shell script firefox-Getlatest.sh from terminal). So using Firefox Quantum 66.0.2. Normally, I'd actually use a separate firefox simply downloaded from Mozilla and uncompressed in its own folder for sharing between my distributions, but this was just a test install on TC. With this latest firefox installed, TC installation is taking up 144 MiB on disk. EDIT: I noticed wayland.tcz installed with firefox but that seems to just handle some 'wayland protocol' so I guess still just Xvesa framebuffer being used. Of course, default Xvesa framebuffer 64bit TC install, without firefox, is very small indeed: just 22 MiB disk space! Now installing bash, core-utils, mtpaint, geany, and mpv (since has Xorg as dependency - this will all swell the install size): Now 206 MiB, so approaching Puppy size as expected... However, best is, I feel, to use the tiny 22MB default install (albeit maybe inflated with Xorg) and load the likes of firefox ondemand only or better still as portable external apps (usable also by other distros installed).
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#2782 Post by Colonel Panic »

I want to like Zenwalk 8.0, but what do you do when LibreOffice crashes when you try to load it, leaving an error message,

/usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/oosplash: error while loading shared libraries: libboost_system.so.1.66.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

Sad.

[EDIT; it may not be Zenwalk's fault, according to this;

https://alien.slackbook.org/blog/fun-an ... bis-break/
]
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hamoudoudou

huge is the Linux knowledge to use it.

#2783 Post by hamoudoudou »

Tinycore ... well; not for everybody.. Tiny is the OS, huge is the Linux knowledge to use it.

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#2784 Post by wiak »

And current 32-bit Slitaz rolling.

A bit tricky to set this one up for me (to get wireless working) and persistence/remastering, but I thoroughly recommend you put in the effort and give it a try. It's a nice wee system to actually use once you have all that set up and working (then it is a lovely fast breeze to use).

Downloaded iso from XenialDog64, clicked on it to open it up and copied its /boot folder to my hard drive /mnt/sda5/slitaz_rolling/

Then in terminal at that directory concatenated all the four separate rootfsX.gz into one rootfs.gz using command:

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cat $(ls -r rootfs*.gz) > rootfs.gz
Finally, booted slitaz from my grub4dos menu.lst using:

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title SliTaz rolling
  root (hd0,4)
  kernel /slitaz_rolling/boot/bzImage rw root=/dev/null vga=normal
  initrd /slitaz_rolling/boot/rootfs.gz
Wow... I'm always impressed by this beautiful tiny distribution (less than 50MB download); comes with openbox wm, pcmanfm filemanager, mtpaint, epdfview, and very nicely put together midori browser (which is also configured to act as a video player...).

For me, it is easily the nicest looking small distribution around, and the most efficient and full-featured for its size. Great piece of work.

To finish wifi config, I need to add the appropriate iwlwifi driver to /lib/firmware and then wifibox will find it (wifi now working on my HP Elitebook 2530p after taking iwlwifi-5000-5.ucode from my 32-bit xenialdog system and putting copy into slitaz /lib/firmware). Same procedure applied if you want to use slitaz-cooking version instead.

EDIT re 'persistence': tricky thing is getting 'persistence' of changes with Slitaz - that is where it is clumsy unfortunately. You can get persistent /home using grub4dos kernel line extra: home=sda5 (or whatever partition you want as /home or home=usb if using usb stick). But... for major filesystem change, like new apps you have to re-write rootfs.gz; there is a utility in Slitaz for that called via command "tazusb writefs gzip" (really, this part of things is remastering rather than usual persistence - you need to arrange for the new rootfs.gz to over-write the old one). I have since studied tazusb, which is just a shell script. Turns out you can give full path to the rootfs.gz you are wishing to remaster, so I actually used command:

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tazusb writefs gzip /home/slitaz_rolling/boot/rootfs.gz
See following somewhat unclear post about it:

http://forum.slitaz.org/topic/how-to-ma ... stallation

I'd like to modify this operation somewhat to be more like tinycorelinux, which saves only what changes you want rather than remastering the whole rootfs.gz - then could arrange proper automatic persistence. I'll report back if I manage to make that addition sometime, which is what slitaz lacks IMO.

Following the above, I now have wireless connection and sending this post from my Slitaz frugal install at this moment (via Midori). Note that I am using home=sda5 on my menu.lst kernel line AND copied iwlwifi-5000-5.ucode from my XenialDog32 to /lib/firmware/ on Slitaz AND then remastered Slitaz rootfs.gz using the above tazusb command. Note that you need to use the appropriate wifi driver for your system. That particlar iwlwifi firmware happened to be the correct one for my system.

NOTE that you CAN login to Desktop of root user (default password root) or as user tux (default no password), so use sudo if tux, but don't need sudo if, unwisely many would say, you logged in as user root.

NOTE: The memory used value in Slitaz 'free' utility (see screenshot) may look a lot, but actually it is fantastic cos that is with absolutely everything loaded to RAM (including midori) - hence the incredible speed. Also CPU utilisation in top is close to zero most of the time (i.e. 100% idle).

The folder contents size of my current tinycorelinux32 is 80Mb with hardly any actual applications in it. After extraction of slitaz /boot from the 50MB iso, my slitaz folder is only 99.8 MB with all sorts of apps including:

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pcmanfm filemanager, midori browser, mtpaint, epdfviewer
Asunder CDripper, Leafpad, Beaver code editor, WiKiss spreadsheet
Gparted, GPicView, LxTask Manager, Galculator, Sakura terminal, xterm
mhWaveEdit, Alsa Music Player, Midori as video player and more...
Like the old days in Puppy but with openbox modern-looking system. Obviously it had to cut many corners in terms of shell etc and midori is not seamonkey, but still fantastic distribution.

My report/howto on tiny core linux, for comparison, can be found above at this link:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 130#990130

wiak
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#2785 Post by backi »

Hi wiak !

Had completely forgotten about Slitaz.......Slitaz is really impressive...
good to be reminded again of it. .....will going to play with it again .

Regards !

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Re: Tiny Core Linux 32-bit wifi configuring

#2786 Post by greengeek »

wiak wrote:EDIT2: I've also tested current slitaz-rolling release. A very easy frugal install for that one and beautiful to use and look at. Find my report/howto below link:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 157#990157

Slitaz is best of breed for me.

wiak
Wow, pretty darn good. Posting from it now. (Live CD boot)

Couple of problems:
- Touchpad "tap-to-click" is on (which i loathe). Can't get into /root/.flsynclient because I don't have root permissions (thank god for BK and puppy)
- Can't find a way to get wifi working (posting from eth0)

Other than these minor issues it is very impressive! (No hangs from Midori yet...)

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#2787 Post by wiak »

Please see my Slitaz post again greengeek - I basically explain how to add a firmware driver for wifi and how to then remaster the rootfs.gz - it isn't as difficult to do as it sounds.

As for root user - I also mention that you CAN in fact login to the desktop as user root (with root password also root). Then you don't need sudo and you can use pcmanfm filemanager to move anything about just as easily as in Puppy.

I was very surprised that that particular Midori is working with:

bbc news
gmail.com

and even...

facebook...

youtube video playing worked for me too, though it couldn't do fullscreen (but did do theatre-mode).

With facebook, you do need to click ok on some box that pops up about Javascript (I think it is) and to see the chat messages you need to click on the Messenger link - it all seems ot work though (despite Facebook suggesting you upgrade the browser). That's a huge plus if this Midori proves reliable since it is very lightweight - let's hope it doesn't crash (Facebook seemed to freeze and I did killall Midori, but it hadn't actually crashed at all, I just didn't notice the popup about Jave-something that I had to click ok on...).

All in all, Slitaz is amazing low resource using - must be a great contender for old laptop that can't really handle firefox and so on. But if this Midori doesn't crash then I like it even on this machine that normally does run Firefox or Chrome - should be able to open far more tabs before RAM runs out...

Basically for wireless you just need to get the 32bit driver firmware you are using elsewhere and copy it into your Slitaz /lib/firmware/ directory and then remaster... which is a simple one line command:

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tazusb writefs gzip <path_to_where_existing_rootfsgz_is>
but see my above Slitaz post for more details since you need home=... persistence set up in your grub4dos menu.lst first.

wiak

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#2788 Post by Billtoo »

Installed Ubuntu-18.04 to the hard drive of Acer Laptop:

System: Host: bill-Aspire-V5-571P Kernel: 4.15.0-20-generic x86_64 bits: 64 Console: tty 0
Distro: Ubuntu 18.04 LTS
Machine: Device: laptop System: Acer product: Aspire V5-571P v: V2.17 serial: NXM49AA03531512EC36600
Mobo: Acer model: Aspire V5-571P v: V2.17 serial: NBM491100831501E946600
UEFI [Legacy]: Phoenix v: V2.17 date: 02/27/2013
Battery BAT0: charge: 28.7 Wh 100.0% condition: 28.7/37.0 Wh (78%)
CPU: Dual core Intel Core i3-3227U (-MT-MCP-) speed/max: 806/1900 MHz
Graphics: Card: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller
Display Server: X.Org 1.19.6 driver: i915 Resolution: 1366x768@60.10hz
OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ivybridge Mobile version: 4.2 Mesa 18.0.0-rc5
Network: Card-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: r8169
Card-2: Broadcom Limited BCM43228 802.11a/b/g/n driver: wl
Drives: HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (1.5% used)
Info: Processes: 243 Uptime: 23 min Memory: 1072.0/5758.3MB Client: Shell (sudo) inxi: 2.3.56

The touchscreen is supported, everything works great so far.
*************************************************
EDIT:
Installed Lubuntu-18.04 to an older HP desktop:

System: Host: bill-GN559AA-ABA-a6220n Kernel: 4.15.0-20-generic x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: LXDE (Openbox 3.6.1)
Distro: Ubuntu 18.04 LTS
Machine: Device: desktop System: HP-Pavilion product: GN559AA-ABA a6220n serial: N/A
Mobo: ASUSTeK model: Berkeley v: 1.04 serial: N/A BIOS: American Megatrends v: 5.13 date: 10/24/2007
CPU: Dual core Intel Core2 Duo E4500 (-MCP-) speed/max: 1896/2200 MHz
Graphics: Card: Intel 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller
Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.6 ) drivers: intel (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel G33 version: 1.4 Mesa 18.0.0-rc5
Network: Card: Intel 82566DC-2 Gigabit Network Connection driver: e1000e
Drives: HDD Total Size: 400.1GB (1.6% used)
Info: Processes: 145 Uptime: 33 min Memory: 583.0/3935.8MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.56

Installed smplayer/smtube,vlc,kodi,and more with apt-get.
Working well.
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#2789 Post by Billtoo »

I installed Manjaro to the hard drive of an older HP desktop:

System: Host: bill-pc Kernel: 4.14.36-1-MANJARO x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Gnome 3.28.1
Distro: Manjaro Linux 17.1.9 Hakoila
Machine: Type: Desktop System: HP-Pavilion product: GN559AA-ABA a6220n v: N/A serial: N/A
Mobo: ASUSTeK model: Berkeley v: 1.04 serial: N/A BIOS: American Megatrends v: 5.13 date: 10/24/2007
CPU: Dual Core: Intel Core2 Duo E4500 type: MCP speed: 1202 MHz min/max: 1200/2200 MHz
Graphics: Card-1: Intel 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics driver: i915 v: kernel
Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.6 driver: i915 tty: N/A
OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel G33 v: 1.4 Mesa 18.0.1
Network: Card-1: Intel 82566DC-2 Gigabit Network Connection driver: e1000e
Drives: HDD Total Size: 372.61 GiB used: 7.16 GiB (1.9%)
Info: Processes: 143 Uptime: 25m Memory: 3.85 GiB used: 913.7 MiB (23.2%) Shell: bash inxi: 3.0.07

The installer worked well, there were just under 1gb of updates installed the first time I updated.
Added kodi,vlc,etc, it's working well so far.
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#2790 Post by Billtoo »

I installed Manjaro Gnome to the hard drive of my Acer Desktop:

System: Host: bill-pc Kernel: 4.14.39-1-MANJARO x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Gnome 3.28.1
Distro: Manjaro Linux 17.1.10 Hakoila
Machine: Type: Desktop System: ACER product: Aspire M5620 v: R01-A4 serial: N/A
Mobo: ACER model: G33T-AM v: 1.0 serial: N/A BIOS: American Megatrends v: R01-A4 date: 12/19/2007
CPU: Quad Core: Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 type: MCP speed: 1596 MHz min/max: 1603/2403 MHz
Graphics: Card-1: NVIDIA GF108 [GeForce GT 430] driver: nvidia v: 390.48
Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.6 driver: nvidia resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz, 1920x1080~60Hz
OpenGL: renderer: GeForce GT 430/PCIe/SSE2 v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 390.48
Network: Card-1: Intel 82566DC-2 Gigabit Network Connection driver: e1000e
Drives: HDD Total Size: 465.76 GiB used: 7.31 GiB (1.6%)
Info: Processes: 171 Uptime: 37m Memory: 7.79 GiB used: 1.33 GiB (17.0%) Shell: bash inxi: 3.0.07

Added smplayer/tube,vlc,kodi and more.
Nvidia has dropped support for my legacy card but I went to the Manjaro
forum and found the fix.

It's working well, dual booting with Ubuntu-18.04 LTS
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#2791 Post by Colonel Panic »

Most of my recent distro tests have ended with "this or that didn't work", so it's nice to be able to say that Absolute 15 beta 4 does work on my machine. It also has LibreOffice, which I've struggled to run in recent versions of Slackware (although Slackware will install LibreOffice from the Absolute DVD), and Waterfox, a nice 64-bit variant of Firefox.

The only snags are that it has a rather idiosyncratic implementation of IceWM which doesn't allow you to move a window to another workspace by clicking on the title bar, and it's also difficult to change IceWM for another window manager if you prefer it; the themes supplied are, unfortunately, not very visually appealing on the whole (to me anyway). If you're not happy to stick with IceWM and the default configuration, my advice would be to install 64-bit Slackware instead and then grab the extra packages from the Absolute iso or DVD.
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#2792 Post by Billtoo »

I installed Manjaro Mate 17.1.8 stable to the hard drive of an HP
desktop:

System: Host: bill-pc Kernel: 4.14.39-1-MANJARO x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: MATE 1.20.0
Distro: Manjaro Linux 17.1.10 Hakoila
Machine: Type: Desktop System: HP product: 260-p029 v: N/A serial: N/A
Mobo: HP model: 81B4 v: 01 serial: N/A UEFI [Legacy]: AMI v: F.04 date: 05/10/2016
CPU: Dual Core: Intel Core i3-6100T type: MT MCP speed: 800 MHz min/max: 800/3200 MHz
Graphics: Card-1: Intel HD Graphics 530 driver: i915 v: kernel
Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.6 driver: intel unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa
resolution: 1600x900~60Hz
OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 530 (Skylake GT2) v: 4.5 Mesa 18.0.3
Network: Card-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet driver: r8168
Card-2: Realtek RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter driver: rtl8723be
Drives: HDD Total Size: 931.51 GiB used: 6.64 GiB (0.7%)
Info: Processes: 157 Uptime: 5m Memory: 3.72 GiB used: 557.7 MiB (14.6%) Shell: bash inxi: 3.0.07

Updated,then added Smplayer.Smtube,Kodi,and more.
Dual booting with Ubuntu-18.04 LTS

Works well.

******************************************************************

EDIT: After doing a little exploring I tried Mate Tweak in the Control Panel, it allows adding a dock,
moving and hiding panels, etc.
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#2793 Post by oui »

very well! but, ...

... and now :oops: ?

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#2794 Post by rufwoof »

BionicDog - rox multiple pinboards, rox panel at top (supports dragging/dropping both the icons into the panel and drag/drop files onto those icons to open them). Top right are the three panels - similar in many ways to switching to another desktop (each with different icons/wallpapers. Also if you drag a file to one of those I have a SOAP script to drop a copy of that file as a icon on the desktop corresponding to the desktop panel icon the file is dropped on), moving left is shutdown, reboot and drag/drop image file icon to set that as the wallpaper for that pinboard (SOAP script). Moving left further is volume up/down ... and the leftmost set are just common programs I use.

Jwm window manager with auto hide panel at the bottom/centre (also have a small auto hide dock to the left top screen edge). Clock is also the menu button, or showdesktop if right mouse clicked.

For menus I'm just using pcmanfm - opening menu://applications, which also supports auto mounting by clicking disks etc.

In effect the "menus" are the combination of pcmanfm showing /usr/share/applications files/folders ... and the layout itself i.e. combination of the top rox panel and the different pinboards and icons on those pinboards. Such that my actual jwm menu is very spartan (Terminal, Exit, Restart, which are in the top rox panel anyway). I also use desktop icons for web bookmarks, so when viewing one maximised firefox tab -> mouse to bottom centre to pop up the jwm panel and right click the clock to reveal the desktop (I also have a rox panel for showdesktop as the rightmost icon in that panel) and click one of the links on the desktop/pinboard for that link to be loaded as another firefox tab.

I have no need for multiple desktops, multiple pinboards is enough as I only use a single monitor. Aero snap is on in jwm, so dragging a window to the far left (or right) auto resizes it to half screen (handy for setting up two rox-filers side by side for copying files between the two. I do like the rox-filer function of typing say .png in a window to auto select all .png files in readiness for being dragged to another window. There's also another rox trick that I don't hear many using where if you press Ctrl-1 whilst in one folder and then navigate to another folder (or even another rox-filer window), you just have to press 1 to jump back to that folder again (that's sticky i.e. stays the same across reboots, and you can do similar for keys 2 to 9 as well).

Installed Firefox 60 and LibreOffice, used the QuickRemaster that comes with BionicDog ... and all seems to be working well. Overall I've set it up to have a very similar layout to my OpenBSD dual boot choice, so as to maintain consistency between the two. I've set BionicDog to use a very restricted userid for firefox, everything else (non internet) running as root.
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#2795 Post by nitehawk »

[quote="Colonel Panic"Absolute 15 beta 4 does work on my machine. It also has LibreOffice, which I've struggled to run in recent versions of Slackware (although Slackware will install LibreOffice from the Absolute DVD), and Waterfox, a nice 64-bit variant of Firefox.

..... my advice would be to install 64-bit Slackware instead and then grab the extra packages from the Absolute iso or DVD.[/quote]

Oh thanks for that info, Colonel,....I was thinking of using Salix on my old (VERY old laptop) but may just do the Slackware/Absolute/Salix apps, instead). I have been using Salix on about 3 other computers,..but may try Slackware/Absolute instead.

Edit: "Very old laptop" has been running Antix as it's main OS, and runs very well. Have an old Precise Puppy on it as well. Actually, I hate to upset the arrangement, but am itching to try something else on it.

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I installed Ubuntu-18.04 LTS to the hard drive of my 9 year old Lenovo:

System: Host: bill-ThinkCentre-M58e Kernel: 4.15.0-20-generic x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Gnome 3.28.1
Distro: Ubuntu 18.04 LTS
Machine: Device: desktop System: LENOVO product: 7491B8U v: ThinkCentre M58e serial: N/A
Mobo: LENOVO model: N/A serial: N/A BIOS: LENOVO v: 5HKT39AUS date: 06/17/2009
CPU: Dual core Intel Core2 Duo E8400 (-MCP-) speed/max: 2572/3003 MHz
Graphics: Card: NVIDIA GF108 [GeForce GT 430]
Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.6 ) drivers: nvidia (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa,nouveau)
Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
OpenGL: renderer: GeForce GT 430/PCIe/SSE2 version: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 390.48
Network: Card: Marvell 88E8057 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: sky2
Drives: HDD Total Size: 320.1GB (2.6% used)
Info: Processes: 226 Uptime: 2:24 Memory: 2172.2/3944.7MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.56

It works great, has support for my legacy Nvidia graphics card.
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#2797 Post by Colonel Panic »

nitehawk wrote:Oh thanks for that info, Colonel,....I was thinking of using Salix on my old (VERY old laptop) but may just do the Slackware/Absolute/Salix apps, instead). I have been using Salix on about 3 other computers,..but may try Slackware/Absolute instead.

Edit: "Very old laptop" has been running Antix as it's main OS, and runs very well. Have an old Precise Puppy on it as well. Actually, I hate to upset the arrangement, but am itching to try something else on it.
Hi again nitie, good to see you here again! Salix is a very good distro IMO, and importantly for me it looks good; too many distros these days look drab and uninspiring.

Salix used to be available with a number of different window managers but recent versions have been XFce-only. I've recently installed Mate on it, which works really well and I think has a "softer" aesthetic than XFce.

Another one I can recommend is Slackel; it's a Greek distro based on both Slackware and Salix and which uses openbox as its main window manager. Like Salix and Slackware too, it's available in both 32-bit and 64-bit versions.

Vector Light's very good too; it uses IceWM and has lighter apps than the main distro, for example Seamonkey instead of Firefox / Thunderbird and Abiword instead of LibreOffice (though you can easily install the "heavier" apps if you want).
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#2798 Post by nitehawk »

Colonel Panic wrote: Vector Light's very good too; it uses IceWM and has lighter apps than the main distro, for example Seamonkey instead of Firefox / Thunderbird and Abiword instead of LibreOffice (though you can easily install the "heavier" apps if you want).
Hmmm,...I've actually lost track of Vector lately. The forum seemed very quiet, and I drifted away. I do like IceWM, though. That's why I think I will just upgrade Antix on the old and fussy laptop. For my biggest computer, I just go with MX (I added LXDE just for fun).

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#2799 Post by Colonel Panic »

nitehawk wrote:
Colonel Panic wrote: Vector Light's very good too; it uses IceWM and has lighter apps than the main distro, for example Seamonkey instead of Firefox / Thunderbird and Abiword instead of LibreOffice (though you can easily install the "heavier" apps if you want).
Hmmm,...I've actually lost track of Vector lately. The forum seemed very quiet, and I drifted away. I do like IceWM, though. That's why I think I will just upgrade Antix on the old and fussy laptop. For my biggest computer, I just go with MX (I added LXDE just for fun).
I've found that too. I started a thread there about whether or not you could use Softmaker Office in VLocity (64-bit Vector) and three months then elapsed with no replies;

http://forum.vectorlinux.com/index.php? ... 106540#new

I find Slack-based distros less problematic at the moment than Ubuntu / Debian based ones on the whole (especially the most recent ones) and they're fairly easy on resources too which is why I tend to use them more. Vector 7.2 is still fairly new and so the software isn't too much out of date (Seamonkey 48, for example, instead of 49.3).

I may give AntiX another spin though as I've always got on well with that one in the past. I agree about IceWM too; it's very lightweight for the number of features it has.
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#2800 Post by Colonel Panic »

A quick update; I've just updated AntiX and it's interesting to see that LibreOffice updates to 5.2.7.2, i.e. to a version just before the time it stopped being able to use Type 1 fonts. I assume this was a deliberate decision on the AntiX devs' part.

I've also given OpenSUSE another try and found that, using Mate and with several tabs open in Chromium, it "locks up" temporarily due to the demands on system resources. I've switched to a very light window manager (twm) instead and it's working fine now but it's definitely one of the more demanding distros to use as regards system resources.

[EDIT: X Windows in AntiX has just broken after I tried to update AntiX - sad. I managed to rescue it by firstly reinstalling XOrg and, when the installed window managers still wouldn't work properly, installing a tiling window manager (i3) which I'm using at the moment. It works but it takes some getting used to if you're used to a stacking window manager.]
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