New sub-forum for official Puppylinux releases

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#21 Post by **Flash** » Thu 31 May 2018, 18:31

Feel free to start your own. Who would you get to be the moderator?

smokey01 · #22 Post by **smokey01** » Thu 31 May 2018, 18:47

Sailor Enceladus wrote:
smokey01 wrote:
dancytron wrote: 1. Official, Final Puppies. These would strictly be the ones declared final and Mick01 puts on the puppy.com website. These http://puppylinux.com/download.html
There seems to be some issues with the above website. Maybe 01micko is working on it.
It's working for me, and has always worked for me, even in Firefox 28. What browser/version/OS are using and what is the issue you're having? This link seems like a good reference point for what mavrothal wants (links to official puppies on the forum) although the Slacko 6.3.2 link points to a website instead.

My router seems to be blocked from the site. Any browser connected to my router can't access the site. If I use 4G on my phone I can.

wanderer · #23 Post by **wanderer** » Thu 31 May 2018, 18:48

i agree that reorganizing would be too much work for john
(who i would like to thank for providing this forum)
i really like this forum
and the people on it
even though sometimes you have to have a thick skin

here is a simple and easy idea

start a thread in the beginners section
that discusses the official puppies
and has links to the various projects
it could even be sticky so it stays on top

people would sidetrack things
but then everyone could post to keep things back on topic
the thread should be pretty busy
so the topic (and flagship puppies) should remain in focus

this could do a number of things

1. people (especially newbies and me)
would have an obvious place to look to see what were
the official puppies
and info on what they were all about
the links to the projects would provide depth

2. you could compliment the various work
so that the creators could have some positive feedback
from the whole community not
just scattered on the myriad of threads

3. many other good things

just to start things off
i am going to make the thread now and see how it goes
if it gets deleted and i get banned tell the world my story

wanderer

mavrothal · #24 Post by **mavrothal** » Thu 31 May 2018, 18:58

so, what do you guys think about global warming?

musher0 · #25 Post by **musher0** » Thu 31 May 2018, 19:55

mavrothal wrote:so, what do you guys think about global warming?

Mavrothal?

You're late introducing a fork in this thread!!!

musher0 · #26 Post by **musher0** » Thu 31 May 2018, 19:59

Hi Flash.

Flash wrote:Feel free to start your own.

Don't push me. If a little money and a couple of trusted Puppyist friends
come along as partners/co-operators, I might just do that. (Also health
concerns are forcing me to keep my activities at a minimum at this time.)

Flash wrote:Who would you get to be the moderator?

You!

With all due respect:
Am I correct in assuming that you cannot humanly apply the rules that do
exist on this board because you are the only moderator left and you cannot
oversee everything on this board all the time?

BFN.

Galbi · #27 Post by **Galbi** » Thu 31 May 2018, 20:22

@musher0: are you listening well?
http://linksdv.com/ruleta/bala.php?i=11 ... bd207c6cfb

dancytron · #28 Post by **dancytron** » Thu 31 May 2018, 20:27

Starting a new forum would split the membership. That's the last thing Puppy needs. Not having enough people to test is bad enough as it is.

If there can't be a reorganization, if someone doesn't like a post because they think it is in the wrong place, then they need to PM the moderator. If they post about it on the forum, that should be deleted and if they keep it up, they ought to get suspended and if they do it after that they ought to get banned.

What posts belong where should not be allowed to be used as an excuse to cause trouble.

musher0 · #29 Post by **musher0** » Thu 31 May 2018, 20:49

Galbi wrote:@musher0: are you listening well?
http://linksdv.com/ruleta/bala.php?i=11 ... bd207c6cfb

Do not speak in parables, Galbi.
What do you want me to hear, exactly?

musher0 · #30 Post by **musher0** » Thu 31 May 2018, 21:11

dancytron wrote:Starting a new forum would split the membership. That's the last thing Puppy needs. Not having enough people to test is bad enough as it is.

If there can't be a reorganization, if someone doesn't like a post because they think it is in the wrong place, then they need to PM the moderator. If they post about it on the forum, that should be deleted and if they keep it up, they ought to get suspended and if they do it after that they ought to get banned.

What posts belong where should not be allowed to be used as an excuse to cause trouble.

I agree, Dancytron.

I think there is a sub-question, though, in your post: this forum is lacking
qualified assitant-moderators.

Is it that nobody is raising their hand and saying to Flash or J. Murga: "Do
you need my help as an assistant=moderator?"

I did, a couple of years ago, but I never got an answer. Never mind me,
I know a lot of people do not like me here. But the principle is still valid:

Or is it that J. Murga and Flash think that the forum is fine as it is,
including the personal attacks?

Or is it that they do not want to train assistant-moderators? For whatever
reason.

Sorry for being so frank. In any case, I am myself side-tracking here,
sorry.

But my position is still: let's jump on this occasion to showcase official
PuppyLinux releases to start a new content-mederated forum -- for the
reasons I have given above.

It may split membership for a while. It will indeed be a test: really
interested Puppyists will go to the forum that provides the most
substance, to the forum that really meets their needs.

Those users who only want to snap at other users' calves and bums will
be filtered out, and that is a good thing.

Regards.

wanderer · #31 Post by **wanderer** » Thu 31 May 2018, 21:54

hey musher

dont leave us
stay with the forum
we would be lonely without you

every family has to put up with annoyances
but i think everyone really means well

wanderer

Galbi · #32 Post by **Galbi** » Thu 31 May 2018, 22:43

musher0 wrote:
Galbi wrote:@musher0: are you listening well?
http://linksdv.com/ruleta/bala.php?i=11 ... bd207c6cfb

Do not speak in parables, Galbi.
What do you want me to hear, exactly?

Just saw that animation today and immediately thought of you, and also talking about deviating the thread... well...

Sailor Enceladus · #33 Post by **Sailor Enceladus** » Thu 31 May 2018, 22:51

We could just delete every thread in Puppy Projects that does not fit with the idea mavrothal proposed. Better luck next time guys, should have posted your fork in Puppy Derivatives

musher0 · #34 Post by **musher0** » Fri 01 Jun 2018, 04:10

You have such great ideas, Sailor!!!

@Galbi: nice dog in that video. What a deep ear he has!

@wanderer: thanks for the encouragement!

BFN.

wanderer · #35 Post by **wanderer** » Sat 02 Jun 2018, 03:33

well my attempt to make a official puppy thread didn't work out
as i found it was redundant
and actually distracted attention from the proper source of the info

mavrothal

i dont know how the software for the forum works
but maybe opening an "empty" subforum
for official woof-ce puppies would not be difficult
one could ask
no harm done

then you guys could put the official puppy threads there
and the puppy derivatives could be for puppy based projects
and the puppy projects could be for non puppy based projects
everyone could move their threads voluntarily if they feel like it

anyway its time for me to stop annoying people
and go back to my box

good luck

wanderer

backi · #36 Post by **backi** » Sat 02 Jun 2018, 13:07

Hi Wanderer !

I think :

" You`re just a soul who's intentions are good-----Oh Lord, please don't let him be misunderstood "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ckv6-yhnIY

Regards !

Mike Walsh · #37 Post by **Mike Walsh** » Sat 02 Jun 2018, 16:23

Mm...

Probably not my place to make any kind of comment here, but (notwithstanding all the arguments over moderating/additional sub-forums/administering/forking, etc.), it seems to me that each and every one of us could play his/her part in helping to keep the forum better 'organised'.

Quite simply, it boils down to this: put a wee bit of careful thought into where a thread should be posted, before doing so. (And no; I'm not painting myself as whiter than white here; I'm probably just as guilty of past misdemeanours in this respect.)

I do agree than John does not need extra messing about. He's kind enough to host the Forum, and cover the cost of doing so out of his own pocket. We all, every one of us, owe him a huge debt of gratitude for that.....and such generosity should never be forgotten, or overlooked.

Mike

rcrsn51 · #38 Post by **rcrsn51** » Sat 02 Jun 2018, 17:21

When John Murga set up the forum, he must have seen a difference between "derived from Puppy" and "related to Puppy".

Today, it's a distinction without a difference.

musher0 · #39 Post by **musher0** » Sat 02 Jun 2018, 17:30

Mike Walsh wrote:Mm...
(..)
I do agree than John does not need extra messing about. He's kind enough to host the Forum, and cover the cost of doing so out of his own pocket. We all owe him a huge debt of gratitude for that.....and such generosity should never be forgotten, or overlooked.

Mike

Tell me, Mike, what kind of generous soul tolerates personal attacks on
the users of his forum?

As far as i am concerned, I owe the man nothing,
1) in as much as I contributed enough topics and help and scripts here
to make HIS forum interesting and worth visiting. You too, and a lot of
other contributors here, if we stay in that logic. We have paid him back
in content.

On another level, I owe the man nothing,
2) because I had to defend and prove myself numerous times against
any "personal attackers" he did not find fit to weed out or cut short.

Is he tolerating this because:
-- it is spicing up the action on his forum OR
-- he hates Francophones generally (the French Puppyists bore the brunt
of his free-for-all policy and major Francophone Puppy devs have now
left Puppy) OR
-- he hates me personally (although I don't think he would have reason
to since we never met).

That is all I will say on this subject of his free-for-all policy for now.

About the cost of maintaining this forum, of keeping it up, it could be
next to nothing if it is in the "hidden" part of a business site J. Murga
would have. If so (but we do not officially know), the costs of
maintaining this Puppy forum would be -- at least in certain jurisdictions
-- deductible from income tax of the company site. Therefore, close to
zilch overall.

BFN.

aaaaa · #40 Post by **aaaaa** » Sat 02 Jun 2018, 18:18

We have to admit the moderation is rather lax. But sometimes is enforced on the wrong people: e.g. people arguing with musher0.

I guess no one else has to right to defy the rules.

This man (or troll should i say), is known for attacking and degrading people out of the bue, then when he is in the line of fire having a taste of his own medicine, someone will pay the price, and it's not him.

When he is not Pelo'ing or Hamoudou'ing, he seems rather normal, but it's just a masquerade.

And then come the accusations of raycism, out of the blue he'll accuse you of having something against french canadians, because you're a Nazi, even when you're darker than black, so you have to play along. All because he saw the english slaughter the native french canadien and forced him to learn the language. The forum users have to pay for that.

Even now we see his delusions of grandeur and nothing happens.

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