Puppy Linux Discussion Forum Forum Index Puppy Linux Discussion Forum
Puppy HOME page : puppylinux.com
"THE" alternative forum : puppylinux.info
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

The time now is Wed 12 Dec 2018, 22:27
All times are UTC - 4
 Forum index » House Training » Users ( For the regulars )
Advise on very small, light, total google free puppy(Solved)
Moderators: Flash, Ian, JohnMurga
Post new topic   Reply to topic View previous topic :: View next topic
Page 1 of 2 [18 Posts]   Goto page: 1, 2 Next
Author Message
number77

Joined: 22 Oct 2010
Posts: 707

PostPosted: Wed 04 Jul 2018, 14:13    Post subject:  Advise on very small, light, total google free puppy(Solved)  

Hello
Every time I use my android tablet abroad, a Motorola xoom, I hate it more and more so need advise on a smallish laptop 10 or 12 inch that will run puppy preferably xenialpup and is light and portable and doesn't rely on google at all. It could be a tablet but needs to be light and at least dual core.
Has anyone any ideas please.
Thanks
number77

Last edited by number77 on Sat 28 Jul 2018, 12:46; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
bigpup


Joined: 11 Oct 2009
Posts: 11375
Location: S.C. USA

PostPosted: Thu 05 Jul 2018, 19:31    Post subject:  

Quote:
smallish laptop 10 or 12 inch

Any of them around that size even a Chromebook.
(A chromebook will take a little more playing with the bios to get Puppy working)

I would make sure it had a Intel processor. X86-64 architecture
NO ARM processors

Xenialpup should have good support for any new or newish hardware.

Only thing you may have problems with is the touch pad.

I did a Asus Chromebook and the touch pad is the only thing that is not working with Xenialpup64 7.5.
But I have not really tried very hard to fix it.
I like using a mouse much more than a touch pad.

_________________
I have found, in trying to help people, that the things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected Shocked
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
Sailor Enceladus

Joined: 22 Feb 2016
Posts: 1547

PostPosted: Thu 05 Jul 2018, 21:20    Post subject:  

I recently bought two 10.1" Acer Aspire Switch One SW1-011 2-in-1 tablets (one used then one new). They came with Windows 10 64-bit. Tried booting Slacko64 from usb, it booted sideways 800x1280 tablet mode and didn't recognize the keyboard dock (keyboard and touchpad) or the touch display, though I was using a zdrv with stemsee's cherrytrail kernel config. Might try the original zdrv or Xenialpup on it, but have kinda got used to Windows 10 and it's touch support after disabling updates in Services, setting Edge to always clear history, and making the fonts 125% size. The Windows 10 updates are really intrusive, causing hour long shutdown times while it's "updating" on this Atom CPU, and will eventually bork with 'update 1807' anyway because it runs out of room on a 32gb hard drive. Luckily "Reset this PC" is easier to do now in 10 (when it works) but still takes forever to start over.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
8Geee


Joined: 12 May 2008
Posts: 1751
Location: N.E. USA

PostPosted: Thu 05 Jul 2018, 21:43    Post subject:  

Most of the Intel Atom based netbooks from 2008 - 2012 will fit your description. They are 32-bit processors, so you cannot use a 64-bit distro. Ebay seems to have quite a few either EEEpc, Acer Aspire One, MSI Wind, etc. Lenovo, Dell, and HP also made a few.

Regards
8Geee

_________________
Linux user #498913

Some people need to reimagine their thinking.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
cthisbear

Joined: 29 Jan 2006
Posts: 4350
Location: Sydney Australia

PostPosted: Fri 06 Jul 2018, 01:29    Post subject:  

Why would you do Win 10 updates?

All Windows updates 7 8 and 10 are BS.

Chris.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
Sailor Enceladus

Joined: 22 Feb 2016
Posts: 1547

PostPosted: Fri 06 Jul 2018, 04:21    Post subject:  

cthisbear wrote:
Why would you do Win 10 updates?

All Windows updates 7 8 and 10 are BS.

Chris.

On the used 2-in-1 the trackpad didn't work, I was told by someone that updating might find the correct driver or fix it and that's what I should try first, but it didn't fix anything. When I bought the new 2-in-1, the trackpad on it's keyboard dock worked, so I tried plugging it into the old tablet and it still worked, and the old dock trackpad didn't work when I plugged it into the new tablet, so I guess (to my surprise) it seems to be a hardware problem with the dock itself and not a software/OS problem with Windows.

In Windows 10, the updates are forced/automatic and you have to make sure you're disconnected from the internet on a new PC, then go into Services, find the "Windows Update" service, and change it to Disabled then reboot to make sure it doesn't look for updates (though a lot of apps are tied to this service so they won't work any more if you do this and instead give warnings or errors when they "try" to update themselves). I thought I read somewhere that you can just block MS in the hosts file (so it can't contact their site) which might be a better approach than disabling the service, because it might also block all the "phoning home" features. Still experimenting. The Windows 10 takes over your screen with splash screens like below to explain all the forced "updates" Laughing
win10_update_assistant_13.png
 Description   
 Filesize   9.07 KB
 Viewed   459 Time(s)

win10_update_assistant_13.png

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
number77

Joined: 22 Oct 2010
Posts: 707

PostPosted: Fri 06 Jul 2018, 15:07    Post subject:  

It doesn't sound that easy, I had thought of a chromebook but that seems to have great problems with the touchpad, which as its going to be totally mobile would be needed.
There are small 12" light weight laptops about with intel processors but to buy one that didnt run puppy and leave me with windose 10 could shorten my life expectancy.
Thanks for help so far any positives welcome.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
mikeslr


Joined: 16 Jun 2008
Posts: 2842
Location: 500 seconds from Sol

PostPosted: Sat 07 Jul 2018, 19:56    Post subject:  

Amazon Marketplace advertises Certified Refurbished --a filter you can select-- notebooks and laptops. The requirement for obtaining the designation Certified Refurbisher seemed sufficiently reassuring that I've ordered a Thinkpad T420. It hasn't arrived yet. But while I was searching I noticed that you can select for screen size and, of course, price. Regretfully you can not screen out Windows 10; but most often the title of the computer being offered tells you what operating system is provided and, of course, the specifications will.

I've also had reasonable luck purchasing "Manufacturer's Refurbished" via ebay. "Off-Lease" in its description usually suggests it wasn't owned by a gamer trying to push it to its limits.

As far as brands go, its a toss up. If it was manufactured 6 or so years ago, my research suggests Lenovo with Dell in 2nd place and Acer and Asus not far behind. More recently, HP has moved to or near the top and Dell fallen to the bottom.

But, once you've found a 'contender', I'd look here to see what Puppy Fans have reported, http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppyOnLaptops, plug the terms "Brand Model Number problem" into the search box here, https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=015995643981050743583%3Aabvzbibgzxo&q=#gsc.tab=0 and run a regular google search on the terms "Brand Model Number Ubuntu problem". Obviously, substitute the actual brand model and number. Because Ubuntu is so widely used, if a computer presented a problem under Linux those search terms are most likely to find it. And if it couldn't be solved running Ubuntu --while those who know Puppy may be able to-- why buy trouble?

mikesLr
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
WoodLark


Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Posts: 107
Location: South Carolina, USA

PostPosted: Sun 08 Jul 2018, 14:46    Post subject:  

I have several Dell 2100 and 2110 laptops. They work great for puppy. I have Tahrpup 6.0.6 installed (32 bit). Yuo can get them inexpensively from Ebay ($30 to $80).
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
number77

Joined: 22 Oct 2010
Posts: 707

PostPosted: Fri 13 Jul 2018, 15:11    Post subject:  

mikeslr wrote:
Amazon Marketplace advertises Certified Refurbished --a filter you can select-- notebooks and laptops. The requirement for obtaining the designation Certified Refurbisher seemed sufficiently reassuring that I've ordered a Thinkpad T420. It hasn't arrived yet. But while I was searching I noticed that you can select for screen size and, of course, price. Regretfully you can not screen out Windows 10; but most often the title of the computer being offered tells you what operating system is provided and, of course, the specifications will.

I've also had reasonable luck purchasing "Manufacturer's Refurbished" via ebay. "Off-Lease" in its description usually suggests it wasn't owned by a gamer trying to push it to its limits.

As far as brands go, its a toss up. If it was manufactured 6 or so years ago, my research suggests Lenovo with Dell in 2nd place and Acer and Asus not far behind. More recently, HP has moved to or near the top and Dell fallen to the bottom.

But, once you've found a 'contender', I'd look here to see what Puppy Fans have reported, http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppyOnLaptops, plug the terms "Brand Model Number problem" into the search box here, https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=015995643981050743583%3Aabvzbibgzxo&q=#gsc.tab=0 and run a regular google search on the terms "Brand Model Number Ubuntu problem". Obviously, substitute the actual brand model and number. Because Ubuntu is so widely used, if a computer presented a problem under Linux those search terms are most likely to find it. And if it couldn't be solved running Ubuntu --while those who know Puppy may be able to-- why buy trouble?

mikesLr

Thanks for that Mike, that gives me a good help.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
number77

Joined: 22 Oct 2010
Posts: 707

PostPosted: Fri 13 Jul 2018, 15:14    Post subject:  

WoodLark wrote:
I have several Dell 2100 and 2110 laptops. They work great for puppy. I have Tahrpup 6.0.6 installed (32 bit). Yuo can get them inexpensively from Ebay ($30 to $80).

Neat little things Woodlark I will look them up. May be a bit slow but interesting. Thanks
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
number77

Joined: 22 Oct 2010
Posts: 707

PostPosted: Sat 28 Jul 2018, 12:45    Post subject:  

Thank for all the help mates. I did get a Acer Travelmate b113-m. i3 intel so no problems with puppy.
All the best
number77
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
skyking


Joined: 29 Jul 2018
Posts: 4

PostPosted: Thu 02 Aug 2018, 22:53    Post subject: Acer Travelmate b113-m.  

have one of these, cannot get drivers for SD Card reader, is your SD Card reader working?

UPup Bionic Beaver (upupbb) 18.05+8
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
number77

Joined: 22 Oct 2010
Posts: 707

PostPosted: Fri 03 Aug 2018, 04:27    Post subject: Re: Acer Travelmate b113-m.  

skyking wrote:
have one of these, cannot get drivers for SD Card reader, is your SD Card reader working?

UPup Bionic Beaver (upupbb) 18.05+8

Yes iI have just tried it and it is working. I am using xenialpup64.
Has yours got the touchpad without any mouse buttons, I have to use the bottom of the touchpad for them. By the time I click a button the pointer has moved.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
skyking


Joined: 29 Jul 2018
Posts: 4

PostPosted: Fri 03 Aug 2018, 11:04    Post subject:  

re: Has yours got the touchpad without any mouse buttons, - yes

I'll take a look at xenialpup64 - thanks
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
Display posts from previous:   Sort by:   
Page 1 of 2 [18 Posts]   Goto page: 1, 2 Next
Post new topic   Reply to topic View previous topic :: View next topic
 Forum index » House Training » Users ( For the regulars )
Jump to:  

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
[ Time: 0.0653s ][ Queries: 13 (0.0105s) ][ GZIP on ]