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[SOLVED]Any latest puppys with non-pae kernels?
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jss83

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2018, 06:27    Post subject:  [SOLVED]Any latest puppys with non-pae kernels?
Subject description: Looking for a puppy with older cpu
 

The only non-pae version puppy I could find was tahrpup 6.0.5, looking for something latest with non-pae kernel?
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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2018, 09:02    Post subject:  

There is slacko5.7-woofCE currently being tested that will work with non-pae (I have tested with atom n270 a 32-bit non-pae). Newer kernel to help with meltdown/spectre (k3.18.113). There is also the original slacko5.7 for all cpu's, and AtomicPup-18 for atom cpu's.

Its a start
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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2018, 09:20    Post subject:  

I have some non-pae kernels that are very recent and some pae that allow the forcepae boot option.

Xenial 7.5 will boot on nonpae machines by adding the forcepae boot option in the grub4dos menu.

Code:
title Puppy xenialpup 7.5 (sda1/XPup32)
  uuid 7c0c8c85-da6f-4699-8bd2-6dfa6feae012
  kernel /XPup32/vmlinuz   psubdir=XPup32 pmedia=atahd pfix=fsck forcepae
  initrd /XPup32/initrd.gz


the UUID is the USB stick I am using in this case....another version :

Code:
title Puppy xenialpup 7.5 (sda1/XPup32)
  root (hd0,0)
  kernel /XPup32/vmlinuz   psubdir=XPup32 pmedia=atahd pfix=fsck forcepae
  initrd /XPup32/initrd.
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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2018, 12:09    Post subject:  

Xenial 7.06 loads OOTB in my ancient (2001) P4, 1.5 GB RAM, Dell desktop without needing any special boot commands.

It does take a tad longer than Tahr to initially load programs, but no noticeable lack of response in operating them once they're loaded.
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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2018, 16:11    Post subject: We only know what you tell us  

Hi jss83,

We only know what you tell us. [Don't expect us to look for your prior posts, if any, in order to find out]. 8Geee, rockedge and a_salty_dog have provided good general advice. But to receive the best specific advice for your computer, we'd have to know the CPU it uses. Or baring that What Computer? --brand and model. [Knowing that, we can easily find its specs].

Rockedge has mentioned including the boot argument "forcepae". Using that argument, I have a Thinkpad T42, manufactured in 2003 which happily boots Sailor Enceladus' Slacko 5.7.1 and my updated Tahrpup 6.0.6. Both are only a couple months old. The T42's CPU is a Pentium M.

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2018, 21:35    Post subject: Re: We only know what you tell us  

mikeslr wrote:
Hi jss83,

We only know what you tell us. [Don't expect us to look for your prior posts, if any, in order to find out]. 8Geee, rockedge and a_salty_dog have provided good general advice. But to receive the best specific advice for your computer, we'd have to know the CPU it uses. Or baring that What Computer? --brand and model. [Knowing that, we can easily find its specs].

Rockedge has mentioned including the boot argument "forcepae". Using that argument, I have a Thinkpad T42, manufactured in 2003 which happily boots Sailor Enceladus' Slacko 5.7.1 and my updated Tahrpup 6.0.6. Both are only a couple months old. The T42's CPU is a Pentium M.

mikesLr


It's a P4 cpu with only 1 gb ram, I can install pae version on it but as salty dog mentioned, everything works slow.

I'll try 8Gee and rockedge's advice.

Thanks Smile
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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2018, 21:55    Post subject: Re: We only know what you tell us  

mikeslr wrote:

I have a Thinkpad T42, manufactured in 2003 which happily boots Sailor Enceladus' Slacko 5.7.1 and my updated Tahrpup 6.0.6. Both are only a couple months old. The T42's CPU is a Pentium M.


this is exactly the same machine I am using the forcepae on Xenialpup 7.5 and it runs better than expected.
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PostPosted: Sat 21 Jul 2018, 11:03    Post subject:  

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I have some non-pae kernels that are very recent


Kindly provide those kernels please. The problem is somewhat solved, I installed xenial 7.5 and changed the kernel to nopae one that i found and the performance is somewhat improved.

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PostPosted: Sat 21 Jul 2018, 11:55    Post subject:  

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Kindly provide those kernels please.


I am compiling a kernel 4.17 nopae (i686) right now....as soon as it is done I will upload it to a server for download access..... as well as some others. Name me a kernel you would like for Xenial nopae and perhaps I could compile one and upload it for access.
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PostPosted: Sat 21 Jul 2018, 12:36    Post subject:  

I currently changed it with this one http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/huge_kernels/huge-4.9.13-xenial_noPAE.tar.bz2 mainly because it has the wifi drivers needed for the dongle that I use, but it is old, I could use a newer/lighter one that has the the similar drivers in it and 32 bit nopae.
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PostPosted: Sat 21 Jul 2018, 15:49    Post subject:  

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I installed xenial 7.5 and changed the kernel to nopae one that i found

The kernel that comes in Xenialpup 7.5 (32bit version) is already no-pae.

From release notes for Xenialpup 7.5:
Quote:
Features include:

Kernel 4.4.95 noPAE


I have used it and never had to add anything to menu entry. PAE is definitely not being used.

Xenialpup64 7.5 (64 bit) is a completely different kernel and it does not need PAE to see more than 4GB of memory.
64 bit does not use PAE.

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PostPosted: Sat 21 Jul 2018, 19:11    Post subject:  

Here is a download link for a kernel 4.17 noPAE. try it out and let me know if it works and has your wifi drivers.
it is labeled upupbb I have run it with Xenialpup and tahr 6.0.6

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1cuJHBkI6Nmmq7JwaM7Fk12mPN2ZkeX-3

md5:
080195a8ec5db2b5a135ce4883251e78 huge-4.17.0-upupbb.tar.bz2

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PostPosted: Sat 21 Jul 2018, 20:57    Post subject:    

bigpup wrote:
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I installed xenial 7.5 and changed the kernel to nopae one that i found

The kernel that comes in Xenialpup 7.5 (32bit version) is already no-pae.


But it does not have the drivers that I need for my wifi.

@rockedge, I'll let you know how it goes, thanks Smile

Edit: It works perfectly, connected right away! Very Happy Thanks so much!
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PostPosted: Sun 22 Jul 2018, 00:09    Post subject:  

Well, you got it working by using a different kernel.

For others trying to get WIFI working in the original Xenialpup 7.5 kernel.

You do not say what WIFI hardware you have.

There is a driver fix for Xenialpup 7.5 if you have an Atheros WIFI device.

There was some WIFI drivers left out of Xenialpup 7.5
They were for the Atheros hardware.
This pet package will install them.
http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/puppy-xenial/32/atheros_kernel_modules-4.4.95noPAE-xenial32.pet

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PostPosted: Sun 22 Jul 2018, 07:35    Post subject:  

Okay, I am having some trouble with the drivers, the wifi stopped working after the 2nd boot, I will roll it back and try the pet provided bigpup and report back how it goes. Sad

If nothing works, I think I should just stick to huge-4.9.13-xenial_noPAE as it solves all the problem.
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