(old)Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

Richard.a,

Unfortunately, I have removed Xfce4 for the time being since I was attempting to get Java in the iso as well. I really like Xfce4, however I did have some compatibility issues that I was concerned about. If there is enough interest I can add it back in as an alternative to JWM.

Puppy 2.10 Professional-beta

The beta version of Puppy Professional has been upgraded from Puppy 2.02 to Puppy 2.10!

Features:
OpenOffice.org 2.0
GimpShop 2.2.1.0
Rutilt and WAG for wireless connectivity
Grip CD player and ripper
Scribus
HTML3 Browser
New themes for SeaMonkey browser, mail and news
Customized JWM menu and tray icons, buttons, colors
Modified several Puppy applications to have the same icon theme
SnowIsh-KDE icon theme
Several new games.
Skype
DVD Video toolkit
Cups printing setup
Java installer
Over 20 wallpapers to choose from
New image for Xorg test setup
All new mime-type icons

I'm sure I have left off some things, but it is a visually pleasing and very user-friendly Puppy for certain! We are getting close to the goal of having a simple, clean, Professional desktop in 256Mb.

I will post the links to the iso and checksum as soon as possible.

Please keep the suggestions coming in!

Thanks!
Rhino

Lobster,

Thanks for the logos, they look fantastic! I will include them on some of the Puppy wallpapers as I get to work on that.

Since the logo is "Puppy 2.10 Professional" should we call it that or should it be "Professional Pup 2.10" or something else?

Thanks for your guidance.

My suggestion would be "PuppyProfessional" or "Puppy Professional" leaving out the numbers for simplicity (KISS principle).

You might want to put the version below in much small font, if you were concerned about confusion.

Look at it from the perspective of someone fresh to the project and faced with a huge choice...


And just a point, at the wiki page, there seems to be no link to where there is a download. Think that should be fixed pronto as I would like to download it

Lobster wrote:versions (updates welcome)
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/VersionsPuppy

official versions
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/DownloadLatest

PuppyPro
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppyXP

Thanks for this, Lobster - how about putting these links (or at least links to them) on the puppylinux.org home page? (For instance, from the home page, I'd never know there *was* a CE for 2.x, and there should probably be a brief one-sentence explanation of the difference in the Puppy 1 and 2 flavors and the goals of specific large projects like PuppyPro/XP.

It's great to know this info, but there will be a lot more people trying Puppy if there is (ideally) one central place that people can go to find out what Puppy derivatives are available. The main PuppyOS site (puppylinux.COM) would be best, but if that's not appropriate for "non-official" Puppy-based distros, then it seems like puppylinux.ORG is the right place.

Thanks again for the info.

ok front page changed
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppyLinuxMainPage

Puppy Professional due to the amount of colloboration is now a Community Project - whatever the decided name CE can be added to the full title

Further to our IRC conversation Rhino

this is all that is known / rumoured for 2.11

Puppy 2.11 codename 'Parlour'

* Ian's PuppyMoney added
* Possible focus on Ergonomics and look and feel
* Probable move to a 2.6.18 kernel with compile in T2
* PSI Puppy Software Installer - Package Manager
* Possible h3v replaces dillo browser for internal HTML viewing

New info can be added here
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy211

Just for fun, I whacked togehter another logo. This is just a low-res png bitmap, the original is all-vector in CorelDraw, so it can be transformed into any format or resolution with perfect fidelity.

I echo Springer's sentiment too, Lobster.

I started on Puppy 2 because it was a larger number than 1. Gave the impression it was "the latest". But development still seems going on in 1.0.x

So what's the drum... 1 vs 2 for example? Is 1 more suitable for some purposes than others? Not discussed on the pages I've found.

If it is discussed in geek-speak threads, then I've closed them and moved on immediately.

Fairly important set of questions I believe.

And yes, let the readers of the front page of each of the many websites have an obvious box that briefly details this sort of stuff, thanks




Richard in Australia

Thanks Lobster, that's a *great* update to the front page - there's a lot of stuff I wasn't even aware of that's very easily findable now. (And I've been using and trying various Puppy versions for a few months now, so that's surprising!)

Thnaks again for taking the time to do this - it's the sort of thing most of us couldn't have pulled off on our own.

Congratulations to all for moving this build to beta!

As to puppylinux.org, there is a downloads page for community-built ISOs: http://puppylinux.org/user/downloads.php?cat_id=3

In the future, we can present side-by-side in the front pages the official and community builds of Puppy.

As to 1 vs 2, it's mainly a Linux kernel difference (2.4 vs 2.6), which means that the 2+ versions are able to handle newer devices. So users of old devices/PCs may be better off starting with the latest build of version 1, which is 1.09CE. Enhancing the version 1 build is the concern of 1.10CE effort described by Lobster.

If you want to help out in puppylinux.org, just register and email Puppian (the admin there) that you want to be admin, too.

The logo is now here
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppyPro
. . . please change the hat
Perhaps a tie? What do Business Pups wear?
Also some have said 'please no dogs'

Colour scheme and dog are great
I just do not think business has to be war . . .
How about a blue non combatants hat?



the old page now contains only Gleizls info

here it is, a german mirror follows in some hours.

http://puptrix.org/isos/puppy210pro-beta.iso (230 MB)
http://puptrix.org/isos/puppy210pro-beta.iso.md5.txt

Mark

What you need is a dog in a tux. Think about it. That would take care of Tux, Puppy, and business.

Lobster wrote: . . . please change the hat
Perhaps a tie? What do Business Pups wear?
Also some have said 'please no dogs'

Actually, the complete pup illustration (helmet and all) came from a clip-art library for which I own a legitimate license.

I'm not a graphic artist, but I can rework it with a tie and/or another hat (a Fedora? Not applicable Linux-wise, but cool otherwise) if you give me a few days.

As for the "no dogs" folks - I think those people need to take that up with Barry (and get a life!) - A dog is just a natural fit given that he chose to name the project "Puppy Linux". Dogs should strongly offend no one but Mohammedans, and I care less and less about what they find offensive.

Lobster wrote:Colour scheme and dog are great
I just do not think business has to be war . . .
How about a blue non combatants hat?

Really, the choice was just opportunistic. Business is interesting partly because it contains elements of war (which is why SunTzu's Art of War is read mostly as a business book these days), diplomacy, cooperation/teamwork, and virtually every other aspect of human relationships. In this case, the tagline "ready for action!" just jumped out at me as the obvious choice, as it seemed to fit the illustration so well - and emphasize that PuppyPro includes the essentials professionals need today.

We could lose the helmet, but how about maybe the helmet *and* a tie? I personally don't think of the helmet as at all offensive or hostile. If the helmet is gone, we'll need another tagline, because, after all, nothing says "ready for action" like a TIE! (Don't get me wrong, I actually *like* ties, I just think the helmet fit the whole theme better.)

(warning: minor political rant ahead, certainly NOT intended to provoke a flamewar, or even a response) As for the blue (UN) helmet - No. Just no. Any effort I want to be associated with must be far more honest, trustworthy, moral, and effective than the UN. (See the London Times' scathing analysis of just last week to review how evil the UN has been in recent years (well-written and probably worth a read regardless of your view of the UN): http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFrien ... 531,00.htm)

mirror 2 (germany):
http://htb65.de/puppylinux/puppy-releas ... o-beta.iso
http://htb65.de/puppylinux/puppy-releas ... so.md5.txt
Mark

Springer wrote: We could lose the helmet, but how about maybe the helmet *and* a tie? I personally don't think of the helmet as at all offensive or hostile. If the helmet is gone, we'll need another tagline, because, after all, nothing says "ready for action" like a TIE! (Don't get me wrong, I actually *like* ties, I just think the helmet fit the whole theme better.)

(warning: minor political rant ahead, certainly NOT intended to provoke a flamewar, or even a response) As for the blue (UN) helmet - No. Just no. Any effort I want to be associated with must be far more honest, trustworthy, moral, and effective than the UN. (See the London Times' scathing analysis of just last week to review how evil the UN has been in recent years (well-written and probably worth a read regardless of your view of the UN): http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFrien ... 531,00.htm)

The helmet will just be an unnecessary distraction. Modern business success is about
speed and strategy and timing, not large mass and raw power, that is the long-term
flawed strategy of MS and others. Puppy is kinda the MIghty Mouse of distros. How
about the dog's hair shown as if wind-blown due to motion?

As for ties, modern business less frequently requires them, and women in business
whom we'd also like to adopt Puppy rarely wear ties!

I would propose a cell phone/pda or a GPS or the like hanging from the Puppy's neck.

I am OK re. your rant re. the UN. It is less than a bad joke, it has disintegrated into a
divisive force in the world. Without massive reform it deserves no funding or respect.

IMHO, YMMV ... doc

I have a couple of questions for the community:

1) After checking out the beta, do you think I should include XFCE4 as it was in the alpha for the Professional version or just leave it at a smaller size with JWM only.

I'm just looking for a general consensus. Thanks in advance!

2.) I know the idea has been tossed around some on various threads about implementing a splash screen for Puppy rather than the numerous lines of scrolling text. If someone would like to step up to the challenge it would be greatly appreciated, especially if we could have the option of seeing the text (it is quite useful).

MU wrote:here it is, a german mirror follows in some hours.

http://puptrix.org/isos/puppy210pro-beta.iso (230 MB)
http://puptrix.org/isos/puppy210pro-beta.iso.md5.txt

Mark

Thank-you Mark.

I took a punt and went and looked at your upload directory he used, and at the second download the checksums matched.

I love it

Here we are, a screen cap of it running in XOrg at 1280x1024 (I think). There is just the one at the moment. It was taken after I did a couple of minor changes, and before I got stuck into downloading the extra apps I felt I would want, and do some customisation. Here is the full size image



You did a great job with it, Rhino. Thank you

Everything seems to be going well in this beta

If running from CD
copy the file pup_2.10.sfs to your hard drive
(Puppy will look there first and boot faster from HD then loading from CD)

. . . we could do with a wizard for that . . .

Rhino wrote:I have a couple of questions for the community:

1) After checking out the beta, do you think I should include XFCE4 as it was in the alpha for the Professional version or just leave it at a smaller size with JWM only.

I'm just looking for a general consensus. Thanks in advance!

It really depends on how much more space it takes up, and if the additional bloat would slow it down any. I guess only you could answer that, mate.

I would like to see it. Would it be worth considering providing it as a dot pup?

Documentation on it might also be cool, to explain concisely why an alternative Window Manager could be handy, don't you think?

Rhino wrote:2.) I know the idea has been tossed around some on various threads about implementing a splash screen for Puppy rather than the numerous lines of scrolling text. If someone would like to step up to the challenge it would be greatly appreciated, especially if we could have the option of seeing the text (it is quite useful).

Pizzasgood is working on such a thingy, we talked about it at length in another thread and PM. Sounds like it might be what you are looking for.

I believe the concept would make it truly professional from the visual point; however it needs to be able to offer for selection whatever is available in pup_save files without having to be enabled to so do, perhaps?

AFAIK he is incorporating a similar one for shutdown as well.

We should wait and see, I guess

Thanks for your work, didn't see your post when I replied to MU. And I'm being frustrated again by the forum server's "Critical error" message again I did write this reply as soon as I posted the previous one in reply to Mark.

Richard in Ozzie-land