greengeek wrote:Mediafire looks like they have a new facility for online collaboration, called Mediafire Express. Maybe similar to Google Docs? I wonder if, being a paid service, it may be more secure?
http://www.mediafire.com/software/express/tour.php
What Im about to say is not an attack against you... it is merely a comment on the act of posting about tools.
Collarboration does not require a million tools. It doesnt require some new fangled software. What it requires is for people to
work together. Let me give an example. You can take an untrained person and stick them into a complete mechanics shop and give them the opportunity to work on a car... and nothing will get done. Why? Because it doesnt matter how many tools they have, if they dont have the knowledge to use them... or if they dont even know what work even needs to be done.
Having tools is great, but only if you A) know how to use them, and B) actually will use them. Tools sitting in a toolbox wont do a thing if no one wants to actually do any work.
Which leads me directly into the next post:
Want to know how we collaborated... its really simple. I sent JamesBond a PM and asked him for some advice in what I wanted to do, since he had already gone down that road. After talking back and forth a bit we figured out the best way to proceed and then we did.
But let me back up a bit. Let me explain where that project came from.
Probably about 3 years ago (maybe even longer) someone released a super slim 32bit puppy that was a good base if you wanted to make your own release. I forget who it was at the time, but I loved it. It allowed me to take a complete barebones system and test and play around and completely screw things up... but it gave me a playground to learn. I had to do make the effort, I had to try things out, I had to actually do some work... but it allowed me to learn more than just asking someone else to do the work for me. Someone else gave me the tool... I had to apply that tool and put for the effort to use it.
Well I've gotten strictly into 64bit now... so I've wanted a base 64bit system , to be able to do the same thing with. With the computer I have right now, and the one Im going to building... I need 64 bit. I just cant get by with 32.
I had been hoping someone would make something like this, but really there have only been 3 64bit devs in the community, Kirk, Jamesbond, and TazOC. I could have sat around and posted in peoples threads asking for them to do it, I could have pestered people for months trying to play mental games to try to get them to do what I wanted. But that's not my style. Here in is an example of a 'Do-acracy'. (for those that dont know what a doacracy is; its an organizational structure in which people choose roles and tasks for themselves and then do them. Responsibilities attach to those who do the work, rather than elected positions or other people who are stand-byers)
I wanted this... so I decided to make it happen. I wanted the tool... but in this case I had to put forth the effort to make it.
I realized the task of building this release was going to fall on me. So I tried my hand numerous times at trying to make wolf work for 64bit, and kept failing. After a dozen or so failed attempts I gave JamesBond a shout out and asked him for some pointers.
After explaining my thoughts and ideas, he said he could help. He was already doing some of the work for a future Fatdog release, so there was no reason for us to double efforts. He did what he was could do easily with his planned work, and I'd pick up the ball from there and take it the rest of the way.
Meeki and I have been doing development for TazOC in the LightHouse Thread, so we've been talking back and forth about other things. When I mentioned this project he loved the idea and wanted to know if he could pitch in and help where he was able. He wanted to get his hands dirty and learn more about Puppy.
So all 3 of the main people involved in slackbones, Myself, JamesBond, and Meeki; all decided to take the step and put forth the effort. Talking about it over and over in threads, taking surveys, trying to see what others would think of the idea... no we didnt do any of that. We sat our butts down and actually did some work.
Thats how things get done. They dont get done by having a focus group (anyone who's dealt with corperate america knows how much of a joke those can be). Things get done when people decided to start working on something.
So for everyone saying 'we need to collaborate'. What we need is less people saying we need to collaborate, and more people actually willing to do some work. It doesnt have to be coding work, there is a TON of work to be done around the Puppy Linux Community that no one is doing.
The coders and devs need to do what they do best... Code and Dev. Those who want to help but cant code and dev... just pick a project and ask what you can do to help.