(old)Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

Posted: **Mon 10 Dec 2018, 23:41**

foxpup wrote:I would love to see good old Wary running on my new i5 machine.

I like the simplicity of the same OS as both the main and contained i.e. EasyOS otherwise the differences between the two can at times be a little annoying.

Conceptually other pup's could adopt a similar structure (main sfs with its own save area, Xephyr session using the same main sfs with its own save area). When you run the contained session then your local data is isolated from the browser (relatively safe). When you run multiple profiles for different web sites you log into, or ctrl-shift-del and clear out cache/cookies ...etc. then there's no cross scripting potential (one web site or window determining userid and passwords that you use on other web sites). Whilst Xephyr runs as fast as the main session (unlike if you X through ssh/vnc or whatever).

It's also like being able to remaster multiple versions and roll back/forward to each/any quickly/easily.

Typically I just do the initial locale/firewall (first run setup), Pup Ad blocker etc. in the main session, but otherwise just leave that as-is, as mostly after that you can run just the Easy container and do most things (except root command things) in that (alt-F6 back to the main session if you do need to mount things or whatever). I then configure the container to be more to how I like it setup. And when browsing, anytime I do log into a web site I always ctrl-shift-del to clean things up afterwards (I keep all my bookmarks in a local html file rather than using the browsers history/bookmarks). I also tend to roll back to a clean snapshot taken after initial setup prior to shutdown, so it restarts all clean again (but configured) at the next boot.

Posted: **Tue 11 Dec 2018, 21:42**

Zigbert made a beautiful clock you see in many puppies. I think is't a good idea to add that for Pyro 0.9.10

Posted: **Tue 11 Dec 2018, 22:50**

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Latest Gimp appimage works in fatdog64 (several versions) and Easy 0.9.10

Make sure you get the version with the plugins.

https://github.com/aferrero2707/gimp-ap ... 4.AppImage
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Posted: **Tue 11 Dec 2018, 23:16**

Here's an explanation of how I did a frugal install on a hard drive partition (sda1) formatted as ext3 using fatdog64 800beta

I first installed uextract in fatdog64

UExtract allowed me to decompress and then open up image
http://distro.ibiblio.org/easyos/amd64/ ... d64.img.gz

see picture of opened image

Simply clicking on initrd file will open it up.

I can then edit BOOT_SPEC file...

BOOT_DISKID='0x50e598ae'
BOOT_PARTNUM=1
BOOT_FS='ext3'
BOOT_DIR='easy/0.9.10/'
WKG_DISKID='0x50e598ae'
WKG_PARTNUM=1
WKG_FS='ext3'
WKG_DIR='easy/0.9.10/'
INIT_DISTRO_VERSION=0.9.10
INIT_DISTRO_BINARY_COMPAT='oe'
INIT_DISTRO_COMPAT_VERSION='pyro'
INIT_DISTRO_TARGET_ARCH='amd64'

Because this is frugal install it is likely that BOOT_DISKID and WKG_DISKID
are the same. Likewise BOOT_DIR and WKG_DIR

Likewise WKG_PARTNUM and BOOT_PARTNUM
Likewise WKG_FS and BOOT_PARTNUM

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disk ID is explained by BarryK in instructions
I would try 'fdisk -l' in terminal of a linux distro
to see if they are listed.
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The script 'repack-initrd' does the repacking
and it will be properly placed back in image.

unmount the image by clicking on image file again.

You can follow instructions in BarryK frugal install page
to construct /mnt/sda1/easy/0.9.10/ folder ....
https://easyos.org/install/easy-frugal- ... ation.html
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Note that UUID for menu.lst can be found

Code: Select all

blkid  /dev/sda1

and then modify menu.lst file

Code: Select all

title EasyOS-0.9.10 (sda1/easy/0.9.10)
  find --set-root uuid () 3f8f077d-7a7d-4e7a-9cb5-a8b94e1f1c87
  kernel /easy/0.9.10/vmlinuz rw
  initrd /easy/0.9.10/initrd

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Posted: **Wed 12 Dec 2018, 22:27**

G'day Barry,

You wrote:

However, traditional sfs files can be loaded, place them in /mnt/wkg/releases/easy-0.9.10, then run the menu Filesystem --> Easy BootManager and you can select them.

I'm still not having any luck loading an sfs during booting.
I've copied several sfs of applications I use in other 64-bit Pups to the above indicated directory (screenshot) but still nothing shows when I go to Boot manager (screenshot).

I'm probably missing something obvious to those who know what they are doing

.

Thanks for any guidance.

David S.

Posted: **Thu 13 Dec 2018, 00:17**

I made some changes to my right click menu utility package...
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=113208

New version Right-click-Easy-6.9.1.pet

Slide show is now gpicview

uextract will now open .img

Audacious audio player is now used rather than pmusic
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Posted: **Thu 13 Dec 2018, 00:21**

When rebooting the computer after a crash in a frugal install...
there needs to be a warning that the disk check can take several minutes
if the hard disk is big.
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Posted: **Thu 13 Dec 2018, 14:11**

is posible install google-earth.deb in easy OS of Barry Kauler ? thanks

Posted: **Fri 14 Dec 2018, 00:35**

davids45 wrote:G'day Barry,

Thanks for the reply about using apps in existing sfs files. I'll try the dir2sfs in my archive of sfs directories and see how I go.

In traditional Pups, before trying most things I make frequent use of savefile backups ('hot-backup' is a particularly helpful app), and to have also a means of quickly recovering in the case of any hardware problem.

But in looking through the various Easy directories of my Easy frugal, I couldn't find a savefile equivalent. Is there one, or a easy way to recover from a 'misadventure'?

David S.

Yes, go to the menu Filesystem -> Easy Version Control, and you can take a snapshot.

Posted: **Fri 14 Dec 2018, 00:43**

davids45 wrote:G'day Barry,

You wrote:
However, traditional sfs files can be loaded, place them in /mnt/wkg/releases/easy-0.9.10, then run the menu Filesystem --> Easy BootManager and you can select them.
I'm still not having any luck loading an sfs during booting.
I've copied several sfs of applications I use in other 64-bit Pups to the above indicated directory (screenshot) but still nothing shows when I go to Boot manager (screenshot).

I'm probably missing something obvious to those who know what they are doing .

Thanks for any guidance.

David S.

BootManager is filtering them out for some reason.

Are any of them online, so I can download it?

Posted: **Fri 14 Dec 2018, 06:05**

Google-Earth for Xenialpup64 runs well in Bionicpup64 (and is available in Bionic64 quickpet.
The pet is downloadable from

http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pe ... -xenial64/

Should work in the xenialpup container in Easyos I'd think.

Works well with nvidia and radeon cards but not intel graphics.

Posted: **Fri 14 Dec 2018, 23:06**

G'day Barry,

You wrote:

BootManager is filtering them out for some reason.

Are any of them online, so I can download it?

None on line - all 'home-grown' I'm afraid

; so I picked one 'full-version' that may be small enough to be attachable to a forum post (ace of penguins card games).

For test purposes, I've attached also some links-only sfs ('-links' in each file-name) I now use for all my Pups - very small file-size, made of links back to my mounted-at-boot data partition which holds the large original files of each sfs. These will not run for you (your data partition won't have the link targets) but I hope you can at least get them loaded with Boot manager.
Or more likely, see where I'm going wrong.

Speaking of 'on-line', is there a test application sfs I could try that works in Easy? I now prefer .sfs to .pet for ease of sharing applications - just the one version shared out to Pups from my data partition.

Thanks.

David S.

Posted: **Sat 15 Dec 2018, 13:29**

Hi Barry,

Thought you'd get a kick out of this:

So, I install the latest Fedora 29, which comes stock with a container program, basically a QEMU-frontend GUI, called Boxes. Boxes leans heavily on virt-manager, but with everything automated except the hitting of the start button for a vm session of whatever ISO chosen.

I figure what the heck. I downloaded Easy-0.9.10 into the downloads folder, clicked open with "Boxes" and sat back watching what would happen as Boxes set everything up for me automatically, from ram, to disk space, etc, etc.

To my astonishment, things went fast and the next thing I know I am staring at a Boxes-session VM of Easy-0.9.10.

****THIS IS WHY THIS IS INTERESTING--I am on a mini Asus Laptop, with a struggling 2012 Celeron processor and only 1.8GB of RAM, all running from a USB 3.0 stick (no hard drive in the laptop)************************************************

Well, as I am staring at this VM of Easy-0.9.10 in Boxes, I am thinking there is no way on this Earth that there was enough ram allocated to this VM for me to do anything, even move the mouse. After all, I am running Fedora, the latest, Fedora 29, and it can be a ram hog at times.

I then start clicking around in the Boxes' Easy VM, the mouse is moving and little stuff seems to work. Hmmmm.....

I stare at the VM Easy and make a bet with myself: not possible Barry's Containers aregoing to either open and/or run (again, given (as stated earlier) the limited memory of this little laptop).

But, was I wrong. Way wrong. In sum, Barry, I opened up Seamonkey in Container, it started right up (like on all my bigger machines), and the next thing I know I am surfing in Seamonkey in a Container which all is inside the VM and it is just incredible..... I'm watching Youtube videos, downloading stuff, just having a blast, and everything is working (even sound!).

Out of all the pups I tried, your Easy was the only one who could even do this (run this well) in a Boxes VM, and the killer thing is (to me at least) your pre-included Seamonkey Containerized is itself running well. It is what I was surfing around in, watching Youtube in, downloading in, etc, etc.

I still can't figure out how and/or what your doing to get this to work like this and yet nearly all other pups struggle inside with one thing or two in Boxes. Anyhow, I just wanted to let you know. Below a pic of the Fedora 29 desktop, with Easy loaded inside Boxes and the Container-ized Seamonkey open and running well. Just amazing to me.....two-levels of Containers, even two levels of firewalls running (Fedora's firewalld, set to strict "Public" rule settings and then Easy's Alienbob's firewall running inside Boxes) and still----nothing, not a single thing---- is messing up and/or not running.

All on this under-powered, low ram laptop. I cannot even get old pups and/or especially slackos (32 and/or 64 bit) to do this inside a Fedora Boxes' VM, and I've been trying at least 20 different ones the past two days. They run, sometimes ok, but not like what Easy is doing.

Posted: **Sat 15 Dec 2018, 16:11**

belham2 wrote:Well, as I am staring at this VM of Easy-0.9.10 in Boxes, I am thinking there is no way on this Earth that there was enough ram allocated to this VM for me to do anything, even move the mouse. After all, I am running Fedora, the latest, Fedora 29, and it can be a ram hog at times.

I then start clicking around in the Boxes' Easy VM, the mouse is moving and little stuff seems to work. Hmmmm.....

I stare at the VM Easy and make a bet with myself: not possible Barry's Containers are going to either open and/or run (again, given (as stated earlier) the limited memory of this little laptop).

But, was I wrong. Way wrong. In sum, Barry, I opened up Seamonkey in Container, it started right up (like on all my bigger machines), and the next thing I know I am surfing in Seamonkey in a Container which all is inside the VM and it is just incredible..... I'm watching Youtube videos, downloading stuff, just having a blast, and everything is working (even sound!).

A simplistic picture of a container is to take the main ro sfs ... that is already loaded (main session), and add its own save folder on top of that. So unsurprising that it worked as there's extremely low overheads involved (excepting if its save folder size grows considerably) as its just pointers (very low overhead). Qemu is pretty good at maintaining graphical speeds, as is Barry's use of X - as the X session inside a container that is using xorg is just another X window added into the current X session. Be mindful however that the seamonkey container uses the same X as the main session, is just another xorg window, so even though its 'contained' its extremely easy to elevate to the main systems root. Running a container under Xephyr (such as how the Easy desktop container does) negates that (is more secure), as that in effect creates a new X session just for the container. Even then however there's the option for a contained session to potentially read things out of memory and it you have hyperthreading enabled as you will have in order to run boxes then that opens you up the likes of Spectre/Meltdown type attacks.

Posted: **Sun 16 Dec 2018, 01:48**

belham2 wrote:Hi Barry,

Thought you'd get a kick out of this:

So, I install the latest Fedora 29, which comes stock with a container program, basically a QEMU-frontend GUI, called Boxes. Boxes leans heavily on virt-manager, but with everything automated except the hitting of the start button for a vm session of whatever ISO chosen.

I figure what the heck. I downloaded Easy-0.9.10 into the downloads folder, clicked open with "Boxes" and sat back watching what would happen as Boxes set everything up for me automatically, from ram, to disk space, etc, etc.

To my astonishment, things went fast and the next thing I know I am staring at a Boxes-session VM of Easy-0.9.10.

Wow, I have to try that too!

Posted: **Sun 16 Dec 2018, 01:52**

Billtoo wrote:Google-Earth for Xenialpup64 runs well in Bionicpup64 (and is available in Bionic64 quickpet.

There is some discussion here about Google Earth, from a quick read, seems it doesn't work anymore:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=111081

Posted: **Sun 16 Dec 2018, 02:23**

BarryK wrote:
Billtoo wrote:Google-Earth for Xenialpup64 runs well in Bionicpup64 (and is available in Bionic64 quickpet.
There is some discussion here about Google Earth, from a quick read, seems it doesn't work anymore:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=111081

It's working great on my 11 year old HP running Bionicpup64 Beta 7.9.7

I downloaded the pet from the Xenialpup64 repository on ibiblio and installed it a the xenialpup container of my Easy 9.9 install, it ran but not 100%, streetview worked fine but the menus were missing, just showed as a white block.

The screenshot shows downtown Perth (I guess

) running on the HP.

EDIT: The HP has a newer (5 or 6 year old radeon card), also have GEpro installed on a faster dual core with an older nvidia card.

When you get into the sub menus not everything works, some things need flash installed or other things.
The processor can get working hard on a dual core machine.

It would take a very long time to explore all the sub menus

Posted: **Sun 16 Dec 2018, 10:55**

I am going into battle against the kernel developers:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=114921

Posted: **Sun 16 Dec 2018, 13:45**

BarryK wrote:I am going into battle against the kernel developers:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=114921

That's the spirit of small dogs.

Posted: **Sun 16 Dec 2018, 15:57**

For anyone with a Pi B3+
http://bkhome.org/news/201809/easyos-09 ... ry-pi.html
easy.0.9.3 arm works if you change
rpi-3-b.dtb to rpi-3-b-useless.dtb
so that you can change
rpi-3-b+ to rpi-3-b.dtb
to trick BK into thinking he is booting his mark 1 Pi3. But that by its self dont work, you have to get all the other "exec's" from "berryboot" them with the cog wheel, and plonk them in there replacing the original.
Not been anywhere near them shipen containers yet. That comes later before I go online.
Firefox 60 works so far, but not been online to test it, only needed to get one "lib" file, any firefox over 52 not supposed to work on arm.
force turbo=1 works great, geany goes from about 3 secs to under a sec, about the same time as my 4 core amd 2 ghz laptop.
In /usr anything alsa is BROKEN as said in the release notes. No acceleration what ever that is, so I dont know what I am missing.
I tried that precompiled VLC that BK mentioned in his blog, I think I got precompiled mixed up with preconfigured, had to get divx to finish installing. Started make, it rolled on for a while then exited, missing dvbxxx.h file, end of experiment. A faint inkling a .h file might be a header file, whats a header file.
I could not get berryboot to make an image of it, probably dont know what to do with q.sfs. Quirky 6 arm converts to berryboot ok. Love to have them both on the one micro sd card.

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