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Technosaurus, You pup44CE is better than Stardust on playing radio files from sr.se and nrk.no

But it could be me not having downloaded the right thing for gxine on Stardust.

your 44CE just works out of the box instead. So that is a good thing. Very few puppies can do our radio shows here.

Turbopup can, Dpup can, Lighthouse can, but none of the other 8 puppies me have installed.

but your pup 44 CE fail to remember setxkbmap se which I have to set anew each time I boot it up despite having a savefile that works on other things like bookmarks.

What can I do to set it to Swedish by default?

Hi techno if you update gtk,glib,pango,Cairo,atk it would add years to the usefulness of 4 series. Like what I did for 2.14X. That would be the biggest overall improvement I think you could make, hmmm that and if you compiled VLC after and tossed gxine, but that could be asking for too much.
ttuuxxx

Bonjour à tous,

Back to webbrowser discussion, just an idea, why not something like that:
Seamonkey is the default browser, but at first launch we could post a notice indicating to whoever wants it can replace Seamonkey with another browser and offer alternative browser like Firefox and Opera or keep Seamonkey.
Then download and install package of chosen browser would execute, remove Seamonkey and set the new defaultbrowser.
It should also offer to install or not a mail client as sylpheed or thundrebird or any another to complete.

Cordialememt

Well ttuuxxx, you would make from this young 4.4CE an old dog by adding years to it?

esmourguit wrote:Then download and install package of chosen browser would execute, remove Seamonkey and set the new defaultbrowser.

That is all well and good for a full install but it is not removed from the pup-whatever.sfs so therefore is loaded at boot in the layered filesystem into RAM (for frugal and live installations). No advantage unfortunately. It is easy to provide links to preferred browsers but optimising the system with and for that preferred browser is a different thing.

Cheers

micko, so the only way to do this then is to not include any of the big browsers but ask the choice question and the user preferred browser would be included in the save file and not the sfs that come with the distro.

another way would be to have pre-made choices in five or more different iso

Firefox PuppyLinux-440CE.iso
Opera PuppyLinux-440CE.iso
Chrome PuppyLinux-440CE.iso
Iron PuppyLinux-440CE.iso
Seamonkey browser and mail suite PuppyLinux-440CE.iso
Dillo PuppyLinux-440CE.iso
Whatever is out there PuppyLinux-440CE.iso

Pre made versions

I trust that the Firefox version with all codecs and flash installed would be 90% chosen by newbies and Seamonkey 100% among the old timers of Puppy users.

Why not have a portable version of Firefox or opera not in a sfs or in the main file system but in the iso?

Here is my filefox portable script: Bug: Needs to be run in directory of Firefox.

The latest versions of Firefox are extremely faster than Firefox2!

For themes/looks set up look out for my Stardust Treats Pack.

yeah nooby, you got the picture , but a bunch of different isos? I think it's impractical. Technosauraus doesn't want 5 separate sets of isos presenting the possibility of 5 sets of separate problems.

The radical method I suggested earlier is probably the cheapest in terms of kilobytes and resources on one's system but it is at an expensive cost of convenience. Béèm's suggestion that that become a puplet is probably a good idea.

On a different note, slightly, Firefox is the most recognised browser and as such probably should be the default in my opinion. Alienation is a deterrent. Many newbies would say, "What on Earth is seamonkey?", although I personally prefer it over Firefox.

abushcrafter, that gives me a different, perhaps even more radical idea, but it would need tweaking by the powers that be, (mainly because of their layered filesystem smarts!)... a browser as an sfs.. but one that is loaded by default but can be switched such that it can be unloaded... what do you think???

Cheers

01micko wrote:yeah nooby, you got the picture , but a bunch of different isos? I think it's impractical. Technosauraus doesn't want 5 separate sets of isos presenting the possibility of 5 sets of separate problems.

The radical method I suggested earlier is probably the cheapest in terms of kilobytes and resources on one's system but it is at an expensive cost of convenience. Béèm's suggestion that that become a puplet is probably a good idea.

On a different note, slightly, Firefox is the most recognised browser and as such probably should be the default in my opinion. Alienation is a deterrent. Many newbies would say, "What on Earth is seamonkey?", although I personally prefer it over Firefox.

abushcrafter, that gives me a different, perhaps even more radical idea, but it would need tweaking by the powers that be, (mainly because of their layered filesystem smarts!)... a browser as an sfs.. but one that is loaded by default but can be switched such that it can be unloaded... what do you think???

Cheers

That would not work with Firefox in portable mode because its saving the profile in the same directory of Firefox. Which means there's nothing (Like settings.) left on the system.

Yeah I like Firefox because of the Auto-Update where Seamonkey never Auto-Updates. LLFF
ttuuxxx

abushcrafter wrote: That would not work with Firefox in portable mode because its saving the profile in the same directory of Firefox. Which means there's nothing (Like settings.) left on the system.

Why not? It could be in the iso as a z-xxxxxxx.sfs. Doesn't it work with modem and scuzzi? If not I'm almost certain the initrd.gz could be hacked to make it work.. and save configs. Becomes entirely up to the user then, and it's not really a portable install, it becomes an "expendable" (for want of a better term) install... I'm only thinking in terms of possibilities here...

Micko I think you are right.

the most realistic way to do a Community Edition is to have Firefox as the default browser and the experienced linux user has all the means to do a seamonkey install if they badly want one.

To not have Firefox latest version from scratch makes the CE version into an odd distro that very few would care about. They would ask which puppy has Firefox as default and don't touch the CE version.

Your radical ideas about having it outside of the sfs in a z version or whatever sounds good to me. As long as one have a more step by step description than what abushcrafter give in that short version.

I may be very dumb but despite me having done puppy now since 2008 that was too much for my brain to grasp how to and I doubt a total newbie know how to do such things.

ttuuxxx wrote:Yeah I like Firefox because of the Auto-Update where Seamonkey never Auto-Updates. LLFF
ttuuxxx

This doesn't work for you?

Béèm wrote:

ttuuxxx wrote:Yeah I like Firefox because of the Auto-Update where Seamonkey never Auto-Updates. LLFF
ttuuxxx

This doesn't work for you?

no Béèm thats a fake update, all it does is brings you to the seamonkey website so you can download a full version and new users would have to figure out how to install it.
Firefox updates can be a couple of kb's not usually a full new release download like seamonkey does, Firefox only updates what needs to updated in the background, you don't manually download a package and install, its done like magic in firefox, Seamonkeys updates are like the stone-ages ugg. lol
ttuuxxx

Ok ttuuxxx, comprende.
Following a SeaMonkey news group, I'll raise this issue there for the SeaMonkey 2.0.3 (of which I made the screenshot)
I'll try to find out when SeaMonkey will act like FF.

Béèm wrote:Ok ttuuxxx, comprende.
Following a SeaMonkey news group, I'll raise this issue there for the SeaMonkey 2.0.3 (of which I made the screenshot)
I'll try to find out when SeaMonkey will act like FF.

I bet dial-up users love Firefox over Seamonkey when it comes to updates updates
I like the silent updates Firefox does, usually it just says "Firefox has updated, please restart the browser to view the updates" or something like that.
ttuuxxx

To add my 2 cents.....

I use Firefox exclusively in the x system.. except on rare occasions will I use IE.... I installed a puppy a year ago to a client out of town. They had someone load Firefox...as that is what they were used to as their main system has Firefox.

In other words.... much of the world is familiar with Firefox... especially refugees from the other side.

All that said... do you know off hand how much of the background code is the same? Is it possible to have both Firefox and Seamonkey in the ISO, if say 70-90% of the background code is the same? Assume for a minute it is the same, the extra overhead could be justified.

ttuuxxx wrote:

Béèm wrote:Ok ttuuxxx, comprende.
Following a SeaMonkey news group, I'll raise this issue there for the SeaMonkey 2.0.3 (of which I made the screenshot)
I'll try to find out when SeaMonkey will act like FF.

I bet dial-up users love Firefox over Seamonkey when it comes to updates updates
I like the silent updates Firefox does, usually it just says "Firefox has updated, please restart the browser to view the updates" or something like that.
ttuuxxx

Yes I know how FF works.
But sometimes when I want to do something quick with FF it can take some 15 minutes to update, addons included, and restart FF befoe i have the FF functioning.
This is a minus for me.
I do SeaMonkey updates, when I am ready for it and when I want it to be done.
I hate the 'big company' approach.

the largest file is libxul.so and they are typically NOT compatible

it is possible to build without libxul and have quite a few compatible libs, but...

the increased size from all the extra individual libs negates a lot of that

it was planned for all mozilla components to be able run on a shared libxul, but I don't know if they will ever achieve it, because it no longer seems to be that important to the devs

there are quite a few other non-lib files that can be shared though (even by other programs - hunspell dictionaries for instance can be used by enchant via the myspell plugin if linked to /usr/share/enchant/{myspell,hunspell})

so... technically yes but not enough to make a big enough difference to include both... then we would just get a different set of complaints (I wanted to start FF but sm did instead and vice versa ... this is default not that - why? etc...)

Firefox-3.6 has been running great for me and all the kb shortcuts that ie users are used that don't work in sm work as expected by default (for example F5 to refresh and ctrl+enter in the address bar to add http:// and .com)