(old)Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

Barry has released a beta of 2.11
http://www.puppyos.com/download/release-2.11.htm

http://www.puppyos.net/news/
I am using it now . . .

seems fine
may be of interest . . .

Lobster wrote:Barry has released a beta of 2.11
http://www.puppyos.com/download/release-2.11.htm

http://www.puppyos.net/news/
I am using it now . . .

seems fine
may be of interest . . .

Slightly off topic, but Barry wrote this in one of those links...

I was also going to do some improvements for PCMCIA, targetting this for 2.12 also.
JWM is currently version 1.7. Version 1.8rc1 has some important fixes, such as making the mouse less sensitive, but it has a bug with Gxine so I'm waiting on at least v1.8rc2 before upgrading.

You might be interested to know that the PCMCIA slots in a 1995 Twinhead laptop running P1-266-MMX supports my ethernet connection without blinking an eyelid, detected it on start-up with 2.02 and 2.10, using a Belkin card with a dongle on a short cord.

I was trying to fix a problem on it for a friend and took the opportunity to boot it from the CDs, nice and fast too

Couldn't find another post about Barry's update where I could mention this.

Richard in Adelaide

GuestToo wrote:

searched for a character map in the forums

do you mean this kind of thing?

http://people.w3.org/rishida/scripts/pickers/
http://www.utf8-chartable.de/
http://cjb.ie/u.php
---snip---

Thanks for the response

What I was after was the sort of GUI application that puts up a window where the user can search for, then select, inspect, and finally use the character they need - that isn't available with a button-push on the keyboard layout they have chosen to use.

Useful for people who write and use foreign accented words and symbols (for example euros,

Lobster wrote: Even though I feel fvwm95 is very stable - it has had its day
(is still a pupget so is available to Puppypro users)

The only Puppy person I am aware of still using it is Gleizl . . .

Yes it's my prefered window manager for puppy. When the released of Puppy 1.0.4 with fvwm95 as the default, I fell in love with it at first sight

Can we try EDE v1.1 or could someone create a dotpup for it? I see SaxonOS is using it. Very cool!

richard.a wrote:Have you considered the possibility of fvwm95 as well? It does make for a nearer "look" to MS Windows than jwm - which it appears was its original intention, to look as like its menuing system as possible.

I wonder if fvwm95 has the ability to include quick start buttons on the taskbar.

Just a thought, anyway.

To quote from Jaberwock I might jump up and down and say wierd things like

"Oh Frabjuous joy, halloo, hallay..."

Or even a quote from Professor Higgins in "My Fair Lady"...

"By George, I think she (he)'s got it!"

Got what?

Actually the ability to expand the JWM menu structure beyound two levels, to mimic the Windows one.

I went round in circles with poor syntax of my own dumb doing.

I went to Joe's website and between what he posted me, and what I modified this evening, I have come up with the following, which was the first stage...


You may notice that I've created two menu items out of the Shut Down - because that is standard in MS Windows. Makes sense to their users, so I guess they would expect it here.

A bit more coding and I came up with the following...


So, I'll go quiet for a few days while I work on this revamped menu - some might call it "dumbed down" but really it's just something the migrants from MS Windows would likely find less of an integration curve with.

Here it is in the context of a look-alike desktop - in which the icons will probably need some changes - it's not a difficult job to redo the menu layout, but extremely time-consuming.

The background is also called "bliss" like the Microsoft one. This one is actually the FreeBSD one.



Barry's excellent wizards will come in extremely handy here as menu links in a number of places.

Now I would like to create a Control Panel dialogue, but I suppose a Rox directory would do the job quite well. That is, after all, what the Windows Control Panel is anyway.

What are thoughts here?

Looking like Vista

http://vistalinux.googlepages.com/

Sorry about the slow progress on PuppyPro, I've been quite busy this week.

I have managed to come up with some workarounds for the Rox and XFCE backgrounds by using a session menu...actually works out better than what I had planned. Seems that the XFCE developers did a nice job with that one. So as it stands you can switch easily between XFCE and JWM with a single click. With XFCE, you get to choose between xfdesktop or the Rox pinboard.

I changed the default mp3 player from madplay to Gxine, since while madplay is playing there is no "visible" way to turn it off. For a new users it is more comfortable to have gxine show up while playing any multimedia file.

I changed the puppy start menu icon to the nice pawprint badge and it scales nicely with the XFCE tray.

I have also added MU's Puppy Software Installer...very nice application!

I modified the Gxine splash screen to warn about the flashing bug with JWM and ask them to switch to XFCE if the flashing occurs (that would be a very low tech fix, but effective I suppose )

I hope to have a little more primping on the menus using some of Richard.a's suggestions to see if I can get things just a bit nicer.

Please keep suggestions and current experiences with PuppyPro beta coming in. I will probably call this next release PuppyPro-beta2 with all hopes that it can be made the final version. I want to keep the beta on there for now since there has been the addition of some major components since the last release. I will be shooting for a release sometime this week!

Thanks all!

Rhino

How long would it take to base it on 2.11?
Barry has agreed to the name PuppyPro

so "PuppyPro" / "Puppy Pro" / "PuppyPro CE"
are all OK

I will suggest PuppyPro for logos
and PuppyPro CE in text should work OK . . .

I guess PuppyPro is where we can benefit from LZMA, as we can aim to put it in miniCD with 180 MB capacity. Something to impress people with! OK, the higher capacity miniCD is 200 MB...

So the suggestion will be to keep LZMA for PuppyPro. Anyway, only users of faster machines tend to think of using OpenOffice.

raffy wrote:I guess PuppyPro is where we can benefit from LZMA

It's very easy to remaster a LZMA-pup out of a version of Puppy that doesn't use LZMA and vice-versa. I've done it with my remaster-script.

Rhino: I'm going to recompile XFCE on 2.10, in case you're interested in basing your iso on 2.10/2.11.

I don't know if this was mentioned already, but this might be useful for those who are interested in an XP look:
http://lxp.sourceforge.net/

that would be great!
if someone makes a .pup with that...
i could hide puppy in my mom's pc and she won't complain..

That would be ideal with Gliezl's XPuppy Pro
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppyXP

yup
its a pity is still on 2.02 and that she removed the international keyb layouts (i use italian keyb and had to figure out how to make it work).

This is shaping up really well. Is pizzagood's bootsplash going to be included? It has reached beta status and seems stable enough to be incorporated into puppypro.

Nevermore wrote: its a pity is still on 2.02 and that she removed the international keyb layouts (i use italian keyb and had to figure out how to make it work).

Nevermore, if you could remaster the CD again, you can remove this line in the isolinux.cfg before you burn the iso. If I can manage to have time, I'll try it in 2.12 release. Probably, Vista like. Cheers to everyone!

gliezl wrote:Probably, Vista like. Cheers to everyone!

Good news - hope you go with Vista

It took a long time for people to adopt XP
(the devil they know)
They will be equally cautious with Vista
but initial hardware is still linked to the 'MS tax'

We however can have the look and feel of the next generation
(for many) with the speed and reliability of an evolving and supported environment

woof woof

gliezl wrote:

Nevermore wrote: its a pity is still on 2.02 and that she removed the international keyb layouts (i use italian keyb and had to figure out how to make it work).

Nevermore, if you could remaster the CD again, you can remove this line in the isolinux.cfg before you burn the iso.

Code: Select all

PKEYS=us

If I can manage to have time, I'll try it in 2.12 release. Probably, Vista like. Cheers to everyone!

Is there a timeline on the PuppyPro 2.12 release?

I need to acquire some mini-CD's and test burning them. Sure will make for a neat
handout -- maybe even holiday gifts!

Just thought that I would mention that since discovering there is a whole raft of 3 or 4 year old computers and older, some with reasonably fast processors, that won't run Puppy v2.12 and later, but will run 2.11 and earlier, that I've started working on a derivative of 2.10professional for use on such computers.

This is an advance notice so that duplication can be avoided if someone else is thinking along the same lines. It isn't an indication that there is something able to be shared at this stage. It's in bits and pieces

The rationale is that there is a lot of customisation that has already gone into this particular puppy derivation.

I'm working on two that use different flavours of icons, in the way that WhoDo did with 2.15ce and Ez-Pup which I've applied to 2.15 and 2.16 with great success.

At the moment it will retain JWM as I'm more interested in getting the two products out in a testing format.

I've taken the liberty of doing some modifications to the icons and the menuing.

I've created a "Shutdown" 3-option dialogue, and am working on a "Control Panel" one (with maybe an "Administrative Tools" one, to please some of the Windows uses who may be attracted.

Thoughts are to include the 2.15 and the EZpup wallpers and to add a few of mine too, and to give you an idea of my thoughts, here is the partly worked on unit with a mixture of icons from Rhino's original design, Warren's from 215ce, and mine - all in the splendid 2.15 format


The full-sized 1280x1024 desktop can be seen here
The shutdown dialogue looks like this...


The menuing will be a compromise between the cascading menus for JWM that I experimented with last year, and those with 2.10pro.

We owe a lot to the time and dedication put into this project about a year ago by Rhino. Thanks, mate

And the substitution of the nicer looking icewm MAY (not promised) become a fait accompli, but please no urging to do it

Puppy is a great and versatile product, I believe. I would also like to do one I've musingly called pupbuntu for the benefit of ubuntu users (I know a couple in the US) who need a faster live distro that does most things

Richard in downtown Adelaide
Where the Wizard of Oz lived at one time
He even had a yellow brick road outside the front of the Festival Theatre

So what happened to this particular derivitive? did it die?

Would like to know if it is still out there somewhere.

E