DebianDog - Wheezy

[saintless]

I'm curious, what are you going to use it for, You think it's possible for use as real repository?

I doubt that. The ftp hosting from Kazza and Smokey is the best solution and I'm glad we have it. But github is very easy to clone with "git clone <url>" command and use it as local repository from your hard drive. It is faster than downloading the packages folder with gftp.

For now just checking out the options pointed out by William here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 501#837501
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 293#838293
And trying to learn some git commands.

Toni

[mcewanw]

I'm curious, what are you going to use it for, You think it's possible for use as real repository?

But github is very easy to clone with "git clone <url>" command and use it as local repository from your hard drive. It is faster than downloading the packages folder with gftp.

Yes, considering the popularity of git and github moreover nowadays, I feel it is useful anyway to become acquainted and familiar with it. I haven't done more with it myself since I first brought it up, but I plan to. I've gone a bit silent of late, because I'm still brushing up on my C as part of my very slow pursuit of the screencast programming project I have in mind. I'll no doubt use github for that work once I get more deeply into it - I wasn't sure I'd bother but I expect to produce some version of that sooner or later now, though whether it will prove good or useful is as yet an unknown! Note that at the present time, organisation DebianDog on github is currently owned by my github username 'mcewanw' as its administrator so I guess I want MintPup username to own DebianDog github organisation. So problem is how to effect the transfer without messing up the other organisations I currently admin on github under my mcewanw github username.

William

EDIT: Toni, I've hopefully managed to send you an invitation (as github member MintPup) to join 'DebianDog' organization team on github with Owner rights. I believe, after that, I should be able to transfer ownership of that organization to you, simply by giving up ownership rights myself, but I'm not sure how to do all that yet. I want to transfer ownership to you, since that makes more sense in terms of longterm administration of that account, so hopefully can manage that easily. Unfortunately, I'm already rusty on github admin (and didn't know much about it in the first case) but no doubt the change can be effected eventually with your help and cooperation. But from what I read, I think that once you accept the invitation to joint that team with 'Owner' rights I just need to (temporarily at least) leave the organisation (as github member mcewanw) though maybe I'd first need to change the owner email address to your own (that of github member MintPup) since that is how github know you.

[saintless]

Toni, I've hopefully managed to send you an invitation (as github member MintPup) to join 'DebianDog' organization team on github with Owner rights. I believe, after that, I should be able to transfer ownership of that organization to you, simply by giving up ownership rights myself, but I'm not sure how to do all that yet.

Hi William.
Invitation accepted but I'm not sure how and when I will be able to use it. I know almost nothing about github yet and maybe it will need more than I can take.

Toni

[mcewanw]

Toni, I've hopefully managed to send you an invitation (as github member MintPup) to join 'DebianDog' organization team on github with Owner rights. I believe, after that, I should be able to transfer ownership of that organization to you, simply by giving up ownership rights myself, but I'm not sure how to do all that yet.

Hi William.
Invitation accepted but I'm not sure how and when I will be able to use it. I know almost nothing about github yet and maybe it will need more than I can take.

Toni

Oh well, at least we have taken some first steps!

[fredx181]

Hi Toni,

As promised, here's the slim custom deb package for wheezy:
Works well for me, tested only on openbox version though.

https://googledrive.com/host/0ByBgCDlZZ ... y_i386.deb

Can you add it to the DD wheezy repository and add message about login manager for openbox recommended on the DD wheezy first page,just like you did the same for Jessie? Thanks!

Fred

[saintless]

Fixes post information updated:

2. Jwm version has xdm login manager included but it doesn't work well in OpenBox. In OpenBox version you can install this slim package. You can stop/start it from System -> Start/Stop Slim display-manager. More information read here. Available also in debiandog-repository:

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sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install slim

[fredx181]

Hi Toni, All,

Just for fun I made a chooser application for analog clock display on the desktop: Conky-Clock, see more here in the utility thread:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 840#872840

Fred

[saintless]

Hi Toni, All,

I posted already in the DD Jessie thread but it doesn't show for me, strange,BTW., so trying again here,

Just for fun I made a chooser application for analog clock display on the desktop: Conky-Clock, see more here in the utility thread:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 840#872840

Sorry if double posted, my post just didn't seem to show up (empty).

Fred

Hi Fred.

Remove the space at the end in url link (you have space after #872840).

Toni

[fredx181]

Thanks, Toni, it's fine now.

Fred

[fredx181]

Hi All,

See here for:
How to run latest flashplayer in Iceweasel/Firefox on DebianDog/MintPup
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 815#873815

Fred

[fredx181]

Hi All,

See here;
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 996#878996
for new 'sfsload' package also for DD Wheezy and more info.

Fred

[saintless]

Important changes to keep DebianDog-Wheezy up to date:
Fixes post.

8. New packages sfs-get-smokey-get and debdog-repo-updater uploaded.

We need to change some scripts and free some space by removing modules from kazzascorner.com.au and smokey01.com in order to make the maintaining easier. Sfs-get script will download the extra modules from github.com in the future for all DD versions and MintPup.

It is recommended to install both packages by running these commands to keep sfs-get and dd-repo up to date:

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sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install debdog-repo-updater sfs-get-smokey-get
sudo apt-get update

[zagreb999]

regards to all
--------------------
XFCE 4.12
---------------
laptop hp pavillion64 8gb ram

debiandog with xfce

wifi , remaster perfect

very good work
BUT,
VLC, CHROME, AUDIO, XFCE appearance DO NOT WORK

CAN YOU MAKE AN ISO WITH only XFCE 4.12 DESKTOP?
THANKS

[nic007]

This doesn't copy to and boot from a FAT32 partition?

[nic007]

What would be the selling point of running this distro instead of "normal" puppy linux apart from it using deb packages? Are the builtin applications basically the same as that of puppy linux? Are there any obvious advantages?

[mcewanw]

What would be the selling point of running this distro instead of "normal" puppy linux apart from it using deb packages? Are the builtin applications basically the same as that of puppy linux? Are there any obvious advantages?

To a large extent I believe that it is a matter of personal choice/preference. For me, I find that DebianDog has all the advantages of Puppy Linux (can run as root, from RAM, is a small iso download and install size, has frugal installation with save file or save directory so can be returned to pristine boot condition in seconds) but also with all the advantages of a full-blown Debian system (which is primarily a result of it having the same very sophisticated package management system as Debian/or Ubuntu/or Mint) - the advantages of full Debian package management capability should not be underestimated - it makes it easy to install any application (no matter how large or complex).

DebianDog also has some fantastic SFS (squashfile) creation tools (Apt2SFS, for example), so it is easy to keep the core size small as a Puppy whilst just using sfs files for large applications (which will be included automatically simply by storing the sfs in the live folder).

Finally, and of little or no importance to some (including myself most of the time), DebianDog is a full multiuser system. Actually, that can be important since there are quite a number of apps nowadays that refuse or are not designed to run as root, and Puppy's fido account has always been somewhat broken (I'm not sure about Puppy's spot account). Yes, sometimes such apps can be easily modified to run as root, but sometimes, and for most users, that is not such an easy modification to make.

The question for me is: can debiandog system be kept as small as a Puppy system over time when new apps are added. I think the answer is 'yes' - despite it using full Debian apps, DD does include facilities to strip down these apps somewhat (zeroing out unneeded docs, for example) as does Puppy itself. Also, for those who like tinkering (which is a hallmark of Puppy users, I'd say) there is nothing to prevent a DD user crafting there own version of any app and including it on their DD system (for example in /opt directory) in such a way that it doesn't mess with the superb Debian package management system.

But at the end of the day, if a person is used to and most comfortable with dotpet package management and is happy enough with Puppy Linux and the functionality it provides, then I feel they are best to just stick with that. On the other hand running DebianDog provides pretty much the same experience but with these added facilities I mention. In terms of bloat or speed I don't think there is any basic difference so it boils down to what you want to use.

William

[saintless]

CAN YOU MAKE AN ISO WITH only XFCE 4.12 DESKTOP?
THANKS

I can't, sorry.

BUT,
VLC, CHROME,...

Vlc and Chrome are designed to work only from user account. Exit X, type login and use username puppy with password puppy. It takes 10 seconds.

AUDIO,...

Post the output from this command:

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lspci | grep audio

XFCE appearance DO NOT WORK

This is Wheezy (old stable) and it has XFCE 4.8 in its package repository. The stable Jessie has XFCE 4.10 in its package repository.
XFCE 4.12 is a package from Debian testing and unstable (Stretch and SID). I guess installing this package in Jessie will break something. But It will break much more in Wheezy.

Toni

[saintless]

This doesn't copy to and boot from a FAT32 partition?

It does both for me.
William already gave answer to your second question and I agree:

But at the end of the day, if a person is used to and most comfortable with dotpet package management and is happy enough with Puppy Linux and the functionality it provides, then I feel they are best to just stick with that.

Thanks William.

Toni

[nic007]

Thanks mcewanw, you saved me lots of time delving around. I already use puppy "frugally" with just the base file and sfs add-ons and no savefile. I find that I don't really need extra linux applications as I also have wine to run my favourite windows programmes. And as mentioned, I had problems copying the Debian Dog files to a FAT32 pendrive (some image files won't copy). Think I'll stick with Puppy. I've used Wary extensively but running Tahr now because it has a newer browser.

[nic007]

This doesn't copy to and boot from a FAT32 partition?

It does both for me.
William already gave answer to your second question and I agree:

But at the end of the day, if a person is used to and most comfortable with dotpet package management and is happy enough with Puppy Linux and the functionality it provides, then I feel they are best to just stick with that.

Thanks William.

Toni

Probably a bad download. Can't get it to boot from cd either.