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Posted: Sat 05 Mar 2011, 18:45
by amigo
BTW, do you have the *sources* for 3.5.5 -I have never been able to find them.
Posted: Sat 05 Mar 2011, 22:38
by scsijon
amigo wrote:BTW, do you have the *sources* for 3.5.5 -I have never been able to find them.
nope, 353, 356, 357, 360, 361 from his site, but the work log tells you what was fixed between so a diff file would give you details if you wanted to just cutnpaste. I did find the lib versions are a serious point though, ie must have version x.x a later version won't do, had to create a lot of links to get it to build without errors let alone warnings.
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libcrypt.so.1 => /lib/libcrypt.so.1 (0x40026000)
libXpm.so.4 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.so.4 (0x40053000)
libXawM.so.1 => /usr/local/lib/libXawM.so.1 (0x40061000)
libXmu.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6 (0x400bb000)
libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x400d0000)
libXt.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x400de000)
libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x40128000)
libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x40201000)
libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x4020a000)
libnsl.so.1 => /lib/libnsl.so.1 (0x40220000)
libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x40235000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40254000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000)
to start with.
355 source should most likely be on the deb site as they have a compiled version and usually hold both as part of their structure requirements, if you want it.
He did say egon was totally rebuilt with 360 so maybe that is the problem with it and after trying some fixes gave up. Shame really as it's actually a good wireframe creator and you could really spike a game creation with it let alone cad.
Still haven't had a reply to his email address, did notice that the last update to the site was early 2010 and nov2006 in freshmeat, so do wonder if it's really just a ghost site nowadays (ghost site=prepaid for but not used anymore) there is a lot of them arround.
i'm going to build 357 next week and see if the 357>360 is the problem, if so i'll do a 357pet and if that works I will leave it at that although the differences 355>357 are minor and may decide not to unless worth it, i'm not that good a programmer to deal any deeper nowadays (and having looked at the source am happy at that).
regards
scsijon
Posted: Sun 06 Mar 2011, 08:46
by amigo
debian doesn't have the sources for 3.5.5. The only mention there of 3.5.5 was during testing and it was quickly passed over for a later version. There are bins of 3.5.5 for bsd and linux but no sources -even though the 3.5.5 version is announced and there is a changelog on the siag site.
I was surprised to see 2010 dates on the current siag site, but that was just from rebuilding or re-mirroring the old archives. The actual date of the end of development is more like 2003, IIRC.
Posted: Tue 08 Mar 2011, 21:44
by scsijon
amigo wrote:debian doesn't have the sources for 3.5.5. The only mention there of 3.5.5 was during testing and it was quickly passed over for a later version. There are bins of 3.5.5 for bsd and linux but no sources -even though the 3.5.5 version is announced and there is a changelog on the siag site.
I was surprised to see 2010 dates on the current siag site, but that was just from rebuilding or re-mirroring the old archives. The actual date of the end of development is more like 2003, IIRC.
I'm suprised with that, Deb usually requires source be provided otherwise they won't publish the bin, I shall chase further with my contact there, a later bin I did not know of.
The Siag log on freshmeat has 3.6.1 commit listed as 10 nov 2006
http://freshmeat.net/projects/siagoffice, which is why I was wondering earlier if his site has become a ghost site. Siag has a 1998 start with them so...
This is a link to a picture of him in 2002 when he was working on siag.
http://bild.edu.stockholm.se/display/Sh ... icsize=800.
Still no answer to an email to him. However from what I have been able to find out so far is that he is currently working with NPA (Norwegians Peoples Aid, a Ministry of Foreigh Affairs funded group) and has done for a number of years now so I doubt we will "get him back" into programming anytime soon.
I consider the Animator his best product as it's rediculously small and easy to use for what it does.
quick and dirty testbed builts of 357 and 360, egon dead in 360, ok in 357 so it looks like the problems relate to the redesign and rewrite. Having a read through the earlier builds, it looks like he's updated the origonal code until 357, decided it needed totally rewriting for 360 and that was when the major problems started.
will keep this thread posted with my results, I will consider the 361 thread closed.
regards
scsijon
edit ps: I have also just been emailed that he was involved in slackware at the time siag was created (remember,it did predate oo) and that he has offloaded most of his computer packages onto others (where there were people willing to take it over) he just ocassionally monitors nowadays.
Posted: Wed 09 Mar 2011, 08:40
by amigo
Oh I'm sure that debian did have the sources when they were handling that version. But that version was pulled in to testing and was later upgraded or dropped before a release point was reached. Really strange that the 3.5.5 sources are nowhere to be found.
Glad to know that the animator was still working for 3.5.7. the only thing to do is analyze the diffs from 3.5.7 to 3.6.0 and from 3.6.0 to 3.6.1 and try to pull anything useful which is not related to any rewrite, and add thoses change in to 3.5.7. That's what I had done to create a 3.4.10 version.
I was interested in getting the gsiag (gtk version) working, but lots of features were never implemented -non-working meni items etc. There also was a ksiag frontend. Those xawd/nextawd widgets are pretty horrible. But working with Xlibs is for people who are much crazier than me...
You mentioned about the last versions including extra libs -those things like o3read are optional components which add capabilities. I just yesterday noticed that 03read is included in moblin/meego. (o3read reads OpenOffice formats).
'twould be a nice project for someone who really wants to learn the nitty-gritty of graphics programming. However, the complete re-write is just one more example of how nicely-running software and their whole project fails to survive a complete re-write of the code for a new toolkit. Gimp is, I guess, the only one that has ever pulled it off with flair -and they've done it twice. gimp was originally an Xlib program re-written in gtk1 and then again in gtk2. BTW, gtk means Gimp Tool Kit.
Posted: Thu 31 Mar 2011, 07:27
by Ibidem
Well, the site (siag.nu) is now expired.
EDIT: Back up! I guess it's not _dead_.
Posted: Thu 14 Apr 2011, 08:12
by scsijon
well it still works for me?
I already have the versions from the site downloaded in any case, if anyone wants them to work from.
Posted: Wed 06 Jul 2011, 14:36
by zsola
Hi!
I would like to use the siag office 3.6.1 on Puppy linux with hungarian local (hu_HU, hu_HU-UTF-8).
I made .pet packages. Here:
ftp://puppylinux.hu/puppylinux/office/SiagOffice/
It looks everthing works fine.
My only problem is that it fails with our special caracters (áéíűúőöüó) even if I use utf-8 or iso8859-2 encoding. It doppels the chars like (í é á ű ú etc...)
The other programs, abiword, gnumeric, rxvt and the bash works fine with that characters.
Do anyone have some idea or any suggestion to correct this?
Thank in advance
Zsola
Posted: Mon 01 Aug 2011, 02:35
by scsijon
sorry, can't help Zsola, happy with 355 for whaat I needed, so didn't go further.
Do you mean you got all of 361 working or all but the animator?
regards
scsijon
siag-3.5.5-lucid52.pet: 2250 K
Posted: Fri 29 Sep 2017, 03:13
by Pelo
zsola, password needed to get your hungarian Siag
In my tool case siag-3.5.5-lucid52.pet: 2250 K on test OBprecise
Not very nice, fonts from Windows, fonts from Puppy To Load
siag-3.6.1.tar.gz
Re: siag-3.5.5-lucid52.pet: 2250 K
Posted: Fri 29 Sep 2017, 03:58
by Robert123
Pelo wrote:zsola, password needed to get your hungarian Siag
In my tool case siag-3.5.5-lucid52.pet: 2250 K on test OBprecise
Not very nice, fonts from Windows, fonts from Puppy To Load
siag-3.6.1.tar.gz
Boring!
Posted: Sat 30 Sep 2017, 08:29
by scsijon
Robert123, don't knock it.
It's still the only office type package with a fully functional built-in Animation Package that is free.
Oh, and with 3.6.1, the animator works, you just have to move the front screen to the side so you can acess the second. In earlier ones they were in the other order.
http://siag.nu/egon/
I've still got some Linux based Anime 'Circles' using it, as they script with the writer, used the spreadsheet to plan frames, and animate with Egon. The only thing they use externally is for storyboarding as Siag Office doesn't have one, although there was a plan to add it with v4 it hadn't been added when it was folded..
Posted: Sat 30 Sep 2017, 18:46
by Robert123
Wasn't knocking Siag just sick of Pelo's nonsense. Giving him some of his own medicine.
Posted: Sat 30 Sep 2017, 18:56
by rcrsn51
@Robert123:
Do you really think that running around the forum to snipe at people has any positive outcome for the community?
Posted: Sat 30 Sep 2017, 19:10
by Robert123
It has been my observation that a certain member namely Pelo continues his destructive path as he did in the french forums and those that support him do this community no favors.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 520#969520