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Posted: Thu 25 Feb 2010, 07:09
by 8-bit
I tried it out and I have a pertinent question not having to do with any bug.
How do I set up things to get rid of a lot of gray in the menus and program windows.
I just am not used to a black entry window in geany for instance.
Posted: Thu 25 Feb 2010, 07:16
by James C
Running 4.4 pre-alpha live with a usb save file.
Installed Firefox 3.6 and Dillo, both are working fine out of the box. I normally don't use sfs files but I experimented with the sfs linker and it appears to work well.
One small bug......no free memory/space applet in the toolbar.
More testing.......
Posted: Thu 25 Feb 2010, 07:52
by aarf
431:pup-431-2.delta?
actually 430:pup-431-2.delta because 431 was a pet upgrade
Posted: Thu 25 Feb 2010, 20:27
by pemasu
Adding libmad back makes it easier to install alsa-streamtuner. I believe not everybody knows it has been deleted compared to Puppy 431 official.
Yes it was mentioned at the release announcement. Pmusic just doesnt work as well as for example ttuuuxxx compiled alsa-streamtuner.pet
Not big problem when you know but annoying to hunt libmad before you have it saved to hdd.
Posted: Thu 25 Feb 2010, 20:51
by DaveS
on rebooting after frugal install, desktop icons reverted to MIME types. Same issue as with Stardust and 'invisible' icons in top tray when blue theme is activated. Freemem app missing, no way to change font for gtk theme. Network connection is cool.
Posted: Thu 25 Feb 2010, 21:10
by technosaurus
re: alsa-streamtuner - libmad needs to be added as a dependency to the package - fixing the dependencies is a big todo list since many packages are missing them ... also pmusic has had significant improvement since 4.2.X and more integrable into the desktop
re: freemem and space - you will find those in Pwidgets (I think?) and they can be turned on or off (alternative is to edit .jwmrc-tray to have them swallowed)
Switching the theme is available in Zigbert's new PCC, but I haven't played with that part much. Yes the terminal and geany are backwards from the traditional setup. Which style is prefered - "backwards", traditional, 4.2.1 style or Barry style?
re: notecase, I had forgotten that I recompiled notecase with text highlighting support (not really much gained there). I can recompile without gtksourceview since geany already has text highlighting and nicoedit was the only other program to use it AFAIK.
re: woof build. I played with woof again last night and it seems to be difficult to use local pets... is there a way to tell woof to use a local repository (a.k.a. a directory full of pets?) it seems silly to upload them so I can download them -- is hiawatha the best answer?
Posted: Thu 25 Feb 2010, 21:59
by Béèm
technosaurus wrote:Béèm wrote:
If builds start with 433, why is yours 431? Is it temporary? Why not pup-4312.sfs if you needed a reference point?
In short, yes it is temporary... thus "Pre" Alpha. I have recompiled almost all of the core software and many of the core libraries that will be needed to update others and needed to confirm non-breakage and hopefully non-regression.
Jemimah has informed me of a fix for abiword browser issue for builds with gtk-2.14+ ... need to make a firefox symlink to defaultbrowser I had tried setting the BROWSER environment variable as documented and required in 2.6 to no avail.... this is great news, since it takes me a whole day to build in 4.2 and I borked up the spell check last time due to the outdated enchant.
That's the answer I was hoping for.
I'll try to test in a closed environment, thus using fully psubdir.
I think in this way there is no confusion possible about the pup-431.sfs with the one I have already.
Posted: Fri 26 Feb 2010, 00:08
by technosaurus
regarding the psubdir parameter - I have been using it as long as I can remember without problems... is there any reason that it should not be included by default for a frugal install?
Posted: Fri 26 Feb 2010, 00:17
by Jim1911
Psubdir works for me and I always have at least 7 different frugal pup installations.
Posted: Fri 26 Feb 2010, 01:45
by technosaurus
I uploaded a DEV pet and DOC.sfs and NLS.sfs if anyone is interested
I would really like to see a patch to woof to allow DOC>DOC and NLS>NLS (their own sfs) instead of having to send them to null (discarded) unless they are explicity put in the pup or devx sfs via the DOC>EXE or NLS>DEV in the config
http://puppy-development.googlecode.com ... LS_431.sfs
http://puppy-development.googlecode.com/files/DEV.pet
http://puppy-development.googlecode.com ... OC_431.sfs
note that these are only for the packages that I have added or updated
Posted: Fri 26 Feb 2010, 05:20
by technosaurus
notecase fixed
Posted: Fri 26 Feb 2010, 05:40
by Lobster
Which style is preferred - "backwards", traditional, 4.2.1 style or Barry style?
I prefer something in the menu system
that evolves from existing Puppys into Dpup (part of Puppy 5)
for a variety of reasons, including ease of use and support
My new Radeon card was recognized and supported (HD 4350)
from the start
Sound worked and overall everything felt as if it had a solid working basis. For example the control center
Added link to this thread on 4.4 'Woofy' wiki page
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy44
Posted: Fri 26 Feb 2010, 05:53
by DaveS
The really dark themeing should be an option, but not the default. It is much harder to see if your eyesight is a bit poor or aged, and could cause problems for those who are colour blind. On a technical note, the brighter the screen, the more the pupil stops down and the sharper the perceived image. As an optician, I showed both options to a random sample of patients with less than perfect vision, and all could see the 'normal' 4.3.1 more easily.
Posted: Fri 26 Feb 2010, 10:27
by Béèm
As for the psubdir usage:
I use the Lin'N'Win method and some 20 puppies are in the ntfs partition in their respective directories.
I don't want to use nts, just for the boot only.
So my pupsave files are on a different fat partition.
If I use constantly psubdir I write to ntfs and the pupsave's are separated, which I don't want.
I didn't have a problem to boot without psubdir=. I just to have take care that if same pup-xxx.sfs files are used, the correct one is available in /mnt/home.
Having said that here my experience so far with this pre alpha.
I boot with pfix=ram for a first time.
I never got the questions about keyboard, timezone, locale, and graphic environment (xorg - xvesa)
Don't know if this intended.
When the desktop came up (after the install phase) I was in 800x600 xvesa. Could change to 1024x768. But still xvesa. Didn't try yet to use xorg via xorgwizard (if this still exists)
Then I found out my keyboard was wrong so I had to use the control panel (a nice one) to set my keyboard to Belgium.
From the menu I couldn't start programs like rox, rxvt, seamonkey and much more.
I can go to rox via the home icon, so I can browse the file system.
From rox I could also open a terminal and start seamonkey.
Network configured ok with pwireless2 so I am able to type this now with 4.4 pre alpha.
So not being able to use the menu system is a real show stopper.
The second one is that at shutdown I never got the panel to say yes I want to save to a save file. (even if I booted with psubdir=) This is a long outstanding issue for quite some people as I have read in the forum. I directly get the message: Session not saved.
I know how to create an empty pup save, but this isn't the normal way of operation.
I hope there are solutions for this issue.
EDIT
Well well.
I did ctrl-alt-backspace and typed xorgwizard
I got the msg: keyboard be doesn't match the xorg layout. report to BK.
So I changed to us.
I got the msg: keyboard us doesn't match the xorg layout. report to BK.
So unable to configure xorg apparently.
My Thinkpad R40 has a ATI Radeon 6500 controller.
No support for this one?
Posted: Fri 26 Feb 2010, 15:41
by Jim1911
DaveS wrote:The really dark themeing should be an option, but not the default. It is much harder to see if your eyesight is a bit poor or aged, and could cause problems for those who are colour blind. On a technical note, the brighter the screen, the more the pupil stops down and the sharper the perceived image. As an optician, I showed both options to a random sample of patients with less than perfect vision, and all could see the 'normal' 4.3.1 more easily.
All developers need to read and heed this advice.
Posted: Fri 26 Feb 2010, 21:06
by Béèm
Béèm wrote:As for the psubdir usage:
I use the Lin'N'Win method and some 20 puppies are in the ntfs partition in their respective directories.
I don't want to use nts, just for the boot only.
So my pupsave files are on a different fat partition.
If I use constantly psubdir I write to ntfs and the pupsave's are separated, which I don't want.
I didn't have a problem to boot without psubdir=. I just to have take care that if same pup-xxx.sfs files are used, the correct one is available in /mnt/home.
Having said that here my experience so far with this pre alpha.
I boot with pfix=ram for a first time.
I never got the questions about keyboard, timezone, locale, and graphic environment (xorg - xvesa)
Don't know if this intended.
When the desktop came up (after the install phase) I was in 800x600 xvesa. Could change to 1024x768. But still xvesa. Didn't try yet to use xorg via xorgwizard (if this still exists)
Then I found out my keyboard was wrong so I had to use the control panel (a nice one) to set my keyboard to Belgium.
From the menu I couldn't start programs like rox, rxvt, seamonkey and much more.
I can go to rox via the home icon, so I can browse the file system.
From rox I could also open a terminal and start seamonkey.
Network configured ok with pwireless2 so I am able to type this now with 4.4 pre alpha.
So not being able to use the menu system is a real show stopper.
The second one is that at shutdown I never got the panel to say yes I want to save to a save file. (even if I booted with psubdir=) This is a long outstanding issue for quite some people as I have read in the forum. I directly get the message: Session not saved.
I know how to create an empty pup save, but this isn't the normal way of operation.
I hope there are solutions for this issue.
EDIT
Well well.
I did ctrl-alt-backspace and typed xorgwizard
I got the msg: keyboard be doesn't match the xorg layout. report to BK.
So I changed to us.
I got the msg: keyboard us doesn't match the xorg layout. report to BK.
So unable to configure xorg apparently.
My Thinkpad R40 has a ATI Radeon 6500 controller.
No support for this one?
Just in case I want to create an empty save file, what is the correct name?
problems
Posted: Fri 26 Feb 2010, 22:53
by bigpup
Beem,
I think a lot of your problems are being caused by start-up seeing saved files and SFS files, from other puppies you have, and using them for settings. The indication of this is your statement:
I never got the questions about keyboard, timezone, locale, and graphic environment (xorg - xvesa)
The second one is that at shutdown I never got the panel to say yes I want to save to a save file.
You say you stat with puppy pfix=ram, but are you sure this command is being followed?
I boot with pfix=ram for a first time.
I just booted with no saved files or SFS files, on my computer, and I got none of the problems you had.
Color Themes
Posted: Fri 26 Feb 2010, 23:23
by bigpup
bigpup wrote:
Zigbert,
In Puppy package manager:
select configure package manager
select update now
see download databases
The font and background color, make it very hard to see the wording in this screen.(download databases)
Is your color themes causing this?
It is very clear that Barry and zigbert does agree in many things, but the design taste seems to be somewhat different. YES, my color-scheme causes this. Smile
Posted: Sat 27 Feb 2010, 02:10
by Jim1911
So far this distribution has been very stable, although right now it is hard to distinguish it from Stardust-011.
Problems noted:
1. Drive icons do not show up on the desktop, although appropriate boxes are selected using the Control Center.
2. Only generic icons are showing for file, my_links, and Drives on the Desktop. The trash icon is correct.
Please consider adding the capability to Mouse/Keyboard Settings in the Puppy Control Center, an option to turn the NumLock key on/off.
Thanks,
Jim
Posted: Sat 27 Feb 2010, 03:31
by technosaurus
There were issues with the drive icons piling up that I couldn't fix right away, thus drive icon instead.
The icons get built automatically at boot and can have issues if you have a pupsave file... zigbert is working out issues with the stardust installer. We should probably set a preinstalled icon theme to avert this any input on a default icon theme?
Some people wanted the full homebank with all of the libofx and openSP dependencies, but they ended up being huge. I finally grokked it down to a 660kb pet by compiling them statically. I don't know if it is any better or worth the more than tripling in size.
here is an example file to test:
http://homebank.free.fr/public/example_file.tar.gz