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boot options "puppy pfix=ram acpi=force"
1024x768 24bit (mostly)

1) horseshoe mode
-a,b) user-select "test": Xorg selects 'wrong' bus, card and monitor (old-style PCI, ati 9200SE and 17" CRT .. turned on after extended stay on test-blackscreened main display), Xorg stalls at prompt "VT9200SE128P H1B" .. Ctrl+Alt+Bs (no response) -> hardoff
-c) user-select "vesa": readable test, usable X on normal AGP setup.. minor user-edit of /etc/X11/xorg.conf while in X - fill in proper monitor vendor and model values, narrow HorizSync value-range and narrow/shift VertRefresh value-range, change driver values "vesa" to 'ati' (cards' vendor, model and bus values are now proper/sameas known-good - no Unknown or switched bus as was the case previously)

/etc/X11/xorg.conf.ATI_RADEON_9200CM1997PF file extant (but odd compared to known-good previous xorg.* files - "vesa" rather than 'ati' as driver values etc, it seems to work oki but)

after user-edit, re-X..
play ring-around-the-xorg-bush, redo edit in mp ..

xorg rejects attempts to use 'known-good' edit(s), insists that the horseshoe is in the same sand that the pin is in, declares itself the winner and "All U edits R belong 2 US".

do the hokey-pokey.. edit again in another pup..
attempt time travel, meet Bill Murray and discuss strategy.
2) on getting the %#&@ xorgwizard runaround for the umpteenth time trying to boot or reboot with edited xorgs.. hit the case-button, take a breather, write it up and go for a walk

confirm jwm "okay" (not real nice since tiny line-halos still border the alpha'd icons even) at 16bit

..and yep, Xorg's vesa 'driver' option is not Xvesa (afaict woowoowoowooo )

hwr@A - (setup above)
testing on: i686 machine
processor - Pentium 3 @1GHz
RAM - 512M
vidcard0 - RV280 (aka ATI Radeon 9200), AGP
vidcard1 - not used, but also RV280 (switched off in BIOS - aka Radeon 9200SE), PCI (old-style)
soundcard - emu10k1 (aka Creative Audigy 2 ZS or SB0350)
boot/save method - liveCDrw/quirkysave-crap.2fs, quirkysave-crap2.2fs on 3fs part on thumb
limitations - no printer, no internet connection
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hwr@B - (setup following)
tested on: Compaq 5225
Processor - AMD-K6 3D @380MHz
RAM - 256M
onboard vidcard - ATI 3D Rage LT Pro
onboard sound - (ALSA config issues with es18xx)
boot/save method - liveCDrw/no save
limitations - no printer, no internet connection

1024x768 16bit - readable test, usable X on 'normal' onboard setup
(wanted widescreen ratio for this machine's usual 32" LCD tv display with VGA in, but 1330x768 selection failed on mach64 meh, it don' work on win98 neither .. not real sure if the Rage can do much more )
___addenda-edit-100403___
Values changed to reflect new output of report-video version 100401 on hwr@A.

Interestingly enough, a few copyover 'installs' from other pups work as expected in q013 but not in q010 (notably Mrxvt 0.5.2 - likely due to the kernel?).

A bit of strangeness in q013's report - ATI RADEON 9200 vidcard(s) are not "oem" as I understand the term, original equipment was/is an onboard Intel 82815 if I recall correctly but I may be mistaken as to the exact id (no monitor has been cabled to that jack for years).

In some ways good to hear that q013 is a 'one-off' merely for retro-rollback testing - it is indeed an art appreciated of the effort

Xorg Vesa driver actually is Xvesa; it's just called Xorg, AFAICT.
edit: incorrect info., see further posts.

This is one of two Puppies I've found that displays color correctly
with Xorg when playing dvd or video files.

This one does it right for both Xorg and Vesa!

Using a full install.

First reboot on a fresh frugal install of Quirky 013.........display working fine ootb.


cat: /etc/videomode: No such file or directory
VIDEO REPORT

Chip description:
Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133 (GMCH) Graphics Memory Controller Hub
Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133 (CGC) Chipset Graphics Controller

Driver used by Xorg:
intel

Video mode used by Xorg:


...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
#

Hi,
This is the first quirky(013) that has booted up on this Samsung x05 laptop.
It failed initially at the probe stage, black screen, killed it with the power switch and rebooted.
Graphics came up using vesa, but I had to select the resolution.
Graphics are onboard Intel 82852/855GM chipset, so it is odd that rjbrewer has posted that his kit worked fine with xorg, when he had the same black screen with Quirky 010.
BTW this was the easiest Puppy yet to get on line with, using a Huawei E169 USB dongle.

Upon further testing.......using my preferred resolution of 1024x768x16 works fine. Changing to 1024x768x24 results in the black background for the menus.
Otherwise, either resolution appears to be good.

rjbrewer wrote:Xorg Vesa driver actually is Xvesa; it's just called Xorg, AFAICT.

This is one of two Puppies I've found that displays color correctly
with Xorg when playing dvd or video files.

This one does it right for both Xorg and Xvesa!

Using a full install.

A pity I didn't bookmark the discussion, but I remember the remark that the xorg vesa driver isn't the same as the Xvesa driver. Or maybe in quirky this is the case now?

Béèm wrote:

rjbrewer wrote:Xorg Vesa driver actually is Xvesa; it's just called Xorg, AFAICT.

This is one of two Puppies I've found that displays color correctly
with Xorg when playing dvd or video files.

This one does it right for both Xorg and Xvesa!

Using a full install.

A pity I didn't bookmark the discussion, but I remember the remark that the xorg vesa driver isn't the same as the Xvesa driver. Or maybe in quirky this is the case now?

You're probably right; I don't remember exactly what it was.

rjbrewer wrote:

Béèm wrote:

rjbrewer wrote:Xorg Vesa driver actually is Xvesa; it's just called Xorg, AFAICT.

This is one of two Puppies I've found that displays color correctly
with Xorg when playing dvd or video files.

This one does it right for both Xorg and Xvesa!

Using a full install.

A pity I didn't bookmark the discussion, but I remember the remark that the xorg vesa driver isn't the same as the Xvesa driver. Or maybe in quirky this is the case now?

You're probably right; I don't remember exactly what it was.

I am pretty confused as well.
I am normally in Xorg and I know how to verify.
Now being in Xvesa, I don't know where the config file(s) is/are.
Specially now I found a Xorg.conf is generated anyway.

Vesa was the only driver that worked for and still had the black background, the previous Xorg actually worked better but still had the black background on the menu icons.
ttuuxxx

Béèm wrote: I am normally in Xorg and I know how to verify.
Now being in Xvesa, I don't know where the config file(s) is/are.
Specially now I found a Xorg.conf is generated anyway.

In /var/log/xorg o log, it shows I'm using Bios Vesa.

rjbrewer wrote:Xorg Vesa driver actually is Xvesa; it's just called Xorg, AFAICT.

This is one of two Puppies I've found that displays color correctly
with Xorg when playing dvd or video files.

This one does it right for both Xorg and Xvesa!

Using a full install.

No, Vesa is not Xvesa. Xvesa is one of the Kdrive X servers, totally different from Vesa. However, they both do the same thing, pretty much, just generic X driver without any hardware-specific acceleration.

alec78 wrote:Hi,
This is the first quirky(013) that has booted up on this Samsung x05 laptop.
It failed initially at the probe stage, black screen, killed it with the power switch and rebooted.
Graphics came up using vesa, but I had to select the resolution.
Graphics are onboard Intel 82852/855GM chipset, so it is odd that rjbrewer has posted that his kit worked fine with xorg, when he had the same black screen with Quirky 010.
BTW this was the easiest Puppy yet to get on line with, using a Huawei E169 USB dongle.

There is an alternative 'i810' driver (the default is the 'intel' driver), but the Xorg Wizard does not give you the option of trying it until after you have tested the 'intel' driver -- and in your case you can't get that far.

I think that I need to add a button in the first window to enable alternate choices, before testing.

Coolpup may have a fix for the back backgrounds in the icons:

http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01460

I just installed the first pet......pixman 0.17.14 q.pet......and the black background problem has gone away. Tested in both 1024x768x16 and 1024x768x24.
Good job coolpup......

BarryK wrote:

rjbrewer wrote:Xorg Vesa driver actually is Xvesa; it's just called Xorg, AFAICT.

This is one of two Puppies I've found that displays color correctly
with Xorg when playing dvd or video files.

This one does it right for both Xorg and Xvesa!

Using a full install.

No, Vesa is not Xvesa. Xvesa is one of the Kdrive X servers, totally different from Vesa. However, they both do the same thing, pretty much, just generic X driver without any hardware-specific acceleration.

Thanks for clearing that up Barry.

I managed to lock up Xorg or Vesa? messing with it too much; I did a
hard shutdown. It did a file system check and reboot and fixed
the boot up on my full install. This should make full install users
very happy.

Actually, for those who report black screen with the 'intel' driver, or hang or whatever, you can manually set the 'i810' driver as default.

If you can get to the desktop with the 'vesa' driver, you will find the 'i810' driver here:

/usr/X11R7/lib/xorg/modules/drivers-alternate

...copy 'i810_drv.so' to /usr/X11R7/lib/xorg/modules/drivers, and delete 'intel_drv.so'.

There is also another file that you will find in here:

/usr/X11R7/lib/xorg/modules/drivers-alternate/i810

...you need to copy that out and replace the current one at /usr/X11R7/lib.

After that, if you exit to the prompt then run 'xorgwizard', it will use the 'i810' driver.

...if you are game to try that, let me know if it works!

Too clarify a bit more, the Vesa driver is a "proper" Xorg driver, and uses xorg.conf. The Kdriver Xvesa driver was written independently of Xorg and does not use xorg.conf. However, both were included in the Xorg package, then Xvesa was dropped from Xorg 7.5. Xvesa was still in Xorg 7.4 I think but was somewhat broken. Nobody maintained it anymore, so it was dropped.

There is also other stuff that is different, for example, Xvesa does not use any of the Xorg keyboard setup files. Also, Xvesa has a fixed screen refresh rate, whereas with Vesa it can be changed.

BarryK wrote:Too clarify a bit more, the Vesa driver is a "proper" Xorg driver, and uses xorg.conf. The Kdriver Xvesa driver was written independently of Xorg and does not use xorg.conf. However, both were included in the Xorg package, then Xvesa was dropped from Xorg 7.5. Xvesa was still in Xorg 7.4 I think but was somewhat broken. Nobody maintained it anymore, so it was dropped.

There is also other stuff that is different, for example, Xvesa does not use any of the Xorg keyboard setup files. Also, Xvesa has a fixed screen refresh rate, whereas with Vesa it can be changed.

Thank you for specifying.
I knew it had been written before, probably you did it.
Will bookmark now for future reference.

Black background in icons issue.

With coolpup's pixman (thank you for this) the issue is solved in Quirky 13, but not in Lucid 002 (where I had the issue also)

tronkel wrote:No success at all with xorgwizard on startup.
Video card is ATI Radeon 3450. Black screen only.
Vesa does work though.

I then installed MU's ati fglrx proprietary drive for kernel 2.6.3.5
This worked OK.

Still got black background on menu item icons.

Edit: Both Firefox and Openoffice 3.2 now start OK. This was not this case with Quirky 10

Thank you Tronkel for this info.
Altho my graphics device wasn't in the list (ATI Radeon 7500) I decided to try.

1. Installed while in Xvesa
2. reooted with pfix=nox
3. at the X prompt run Xorgwizard and configured xorg
4. xwin
5. did get the desktop

A question tho: How can I see I am in Xvesa or Xorg?