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I made a Frugal installation of LegacyOS, being careful to put in the kernel line, "pmedia=idehd," but I still get the message "can't find pmedia=idecd," and the boot is aborted. I know I'm doing something wrong. Here is the menu.lst entry:
# Legacy OS begins
title Legacy OS Puppy
root (hd0,0)
kernel /legacy/vmlinuz pmedia=idehd root=/dev/hda1 pfix=ram ro
initrd /legacy/initrd.gz
# LegacyOS ends

Do I need to put the .sfs file in the root directory?

Hey JB, All's well I hope...

Anyway; although pfix=ram got me through to boot-up, the installer hangs.

Q1 - installer mentions ext2 specifically, is it mandatory?
Q2 - installer mentions swap file, is it mandatory?
Q3 - what are the correct paramaters for grub? (manual install possible?)

Many thanks! Downloaded now - took 5 mins - going to burn to disc.

Ta!

hi davec51,

use this PMEDIA=idehd root=/dev/ram0 instead of pmedia=idehd root=/dev/hda1

Hello Everyone installing, please read this.

The Truth about Installing Legacy OS 2 on your Computer
I want you to go back in time to early 2007 when Barry K released Puppy 2.14. Barry's .sfs system isn't what it is today. Most Puppy users who use .sfs apps would be using them with Puppy 4 and 5 series. Legacy OS 2 is based on the Puppy 2 series.
Lets say Barry K decided to give all this Puppy stuff up after releasing Puppy 3.01 and was never seen again! Would I still have released Legacy OS 2? Yes! I'm 99% sure if this forum was still active, you'd still have this release.
With Legacy OS and with the help of ttuuxxx, I updated glibc from 2.3.5 to 2.5 from Puppy 3.01. This allowed a great number of apps that have found their way in to Legacy OS to work for the first time. Besides this major system update, Most of Legacy OS 2 is where Linux was in 2007. Why? you might ask are you still using this old out dated System and Kernel? As the "Target Hardware" was built between 2000 and 2006 what better way to support it then by building an OS around a system build in 2007.
Where possible the latest version of an Application is used. The age of software included in Legacy OS 2 ranges from 1999 to 2011. Applications are chosen for reliability, usefulness! not on their release date. OK I'm getting of track lets get back to the install process but before I do just remember Redhat/Centos 5 still uses Kernel 2.6.18 / Glibc 2.5 like Legacy OS 2 does. If this combo is good enough for them then it good enough to use on the old obsolete Hardware Legacy OS 2 is targeted at!

Legacy OS 2 was tested and successfully installed on 12 PC's and 3 Laptops.
The simplest way to install Legacy OS 2 is to navigate in the main menu to (Setup > Install-Remaster > Legacy OS 2 Hard Drive Installer) and click on it. Here's where thing differ from the Installer in Legacy OS. I modified Puppy's installer to pop up important info as well as start "Gparted" so you can format your Hard Drive to EXT2 and 500Mb's of swap. check with "MUT" to see that the Live CD you've just booted is mounted before you start the install proper. Also Puppy installer has been reworded so hopefully it's a little easier to follow. If you follow it, really read what written and just except the defaults, Legacy OS 2 will be installed on your Hard Drive ready to go in around 20 minutes on average.

I never been a fan of the frugal install as I like to give any Linux Distro a whole Partition for itself. One problem I see is Legacy OS 2 needs / wants to be installed on a EXT2 file system. As most of you running a later version of Puppy would be using an EXT3 files system, I think here is where you may be running in to trouble trying to install Legacy OS 2 in frugal mode on a EXT3 partition when it's looking for an EXT2 partition to call home!

If you can give Legacy OS 2 a freshly formatted EXT2 Partition, 500MB's of swap and follow the instructions, I'm 99% sure you'll successfully install Legacy OS 2 on your computer.

Most of us are aware of your ground rules, john, and have adequate reading + comprehension skills. However, you are always going to run into these problems with one nation. They don't have the latter, they are groomed from birth to landfill everything once a year and it's considered macho to buy the latest and greatest shiny toys. The only answer is a nuke, a tsunami, the promised fault line collapse or caldera reactivation. Just keep doing what you are doing, john, it's well appreciated elsewhere.

Sorry, but I didn't realize that one nation has all the incompetents in the world. I thought they were spread throughout all the world.
P.S. Sorry, but I take offense when verbally attacking someone's home or fellow countrymen. I thought this was a forum for Puppy Linux, not for political viewpoints. I try to keep my opinions of people to myself, and I definitely try not to judge someone because of where they are from. I myself don't just buy because it is newer. I run a windows xp along with my puppy linux, and am very happy with it. I also work as a high speed internet installer, and tell people all the time that their computer does not need replaced. People tend to believe marketing hype ( here and all around the world) and want to try the latest and greatest. Thanks, Rob

john biles,

Any chance of having a torrent download for those that do not have a fast internet connection?

Thanks

John Biles wrote: ... Legacy OS 2 was tested and successfully installed on 12 PC's and 3 Laptops. ...

Hi John Biles; sounds like you are a LAN admin somewhere. If so, you MAY want to be aware of a technology introduced earlier this year by JamesBond which allows you to have PCs boot without installing and maintaining an OS on each one of them. Simple to setup and simple for any user to boot and run his/her PC.

You only have to maintain one ISO and never have to "setup" any machine(s) on your LAN....an Administrator's (or anyone who supports multiple PCs over al LAN) dream.

Its here for you to review and use.

Hope this helps.

Hello 8-bit,
There's a link to russoodle's site for those having trouble through Softpedia.

Download here: http://www.puppylinuxstuff.meownplanet. ... y-OS-2.iso

Hello gcmartin,
Those 15 computers are different makes and models that are used to test booting and installing on. Their not on a network and most of them only get brought out of storage for testing. I will how ever look at the link you've supplied.

I wanted to know which browser is used and size of download
(it is Opera and 700MB)

SneekyLinux provides a Youtube video for a complete run through
http://youtu.be/hZkRwz1GoRE

He is also doing one shortly on installing
the new Legacy with a full install

Congratulations John
Thanks Sneeky

Puppy Linux
Our Legacy is Renewed

Hello John,
Firstly thank you for all your hard work in making Legacy 0S2.

I usually download a version of Puppy as an iso and then just manually install the individual files (vmlinuz, initrd, pup_xxx.sfs etc) as a frugal install into a subdirectory of an ext3 partition, where all my other Puppies reside. But it now seems that this is not possible with Legacy OS2.

So I burned a CD and it ran fine from the live CD using pfix=ram.

Then I tried to do a full install using the built-in installer to a new ext2 partition and finally got it booting using the following grub2 stanza:
I guess in grub-legacy it would be
Note that contrary to what is said earlier in this thread did not work for me.

So I now tried to do a frugal install in a new ext2 partition, using the built-in installer, which seemed to complete but I have been unable to get it to boot from grub this time.

JFYI I have 15 other puppies from series 2, 4 and 5 all booting happily on this system ( a 7 year old PC) including ttuuxxx's 214X but yours seems to be the only one that needs to reside on an ext2 partition and the only one I can't seem to boot from grub.

Can you possible shed some light on why I can't do a frugal boot but a full install works? Also I am a bit surprised that it needs to run in ext2 (I have ttuuxxx's 214X happy in ext3). Out of curiosity was there a specific reason for this?
I really hope we can get this running as it seems such a great effort on your part.

Many thanks

Hello eternal-sunshine,
ttuuxxx's 214X version is a major overhaul of a number of system files in the Puppy Series 2 releases which relate to the installer, xorg, gtk the list goes on and on! If you look at the development post for 214X you'll see it's one of the biggest ever on this forum with page after page of feedback from testers / users.
Legacy OS 2 started life as Puppy 2.14 with only minimum updates to main system files. This without seeing if the original Puppy 2.14 release acts the same way or not on your computer might explain why your having this trouble.
In all truth ttuuxxx is a very gifted programmer who's knowledge excedes mine by a long way. Each release I create reflects my growing knowledge of Linux in general. In truth Legacy OS is an experiment to see how far an old legacy OS can be pushed. I know It will boot and run only on so many computers out there and no Linux Distro will boot 100% on every hardware combo out there.
Example: Ubuntu since 8.10 won't boot up to a desktop on this PC. Why? Ubuntu dropped support for my legacy graphic card.
Nothing would make me happier to find that Legacy OS 2 worked as expected on every computer ever made. But we know this isn't going to happen.

First run with Legacy OS 2 on this ThinkPad Z60m, 1.86GHz Pentium M, 1 G RAM, Intel i915 video. It booted in RAM on this machine, allowing the CD to be ejected, without requiring any special boot parameters. When I tried to connect with the ipw2200 wireless and WPA/TKIP, failed to get a connection. Guessing this is a problem with authenticating. The machine sees a PC Card with atheros AR2413 I had left inserted (after using another live CD with no firmware) but I was unable to get this to do anything in brief trials. In recent kernels this card works without need for firmware. With Legacy dmesg indicates the card is seen and it is recognised by the network setup utility. The Broadcom ethernet works OK. bcm5751m aka tg3. Will try to drag out a couple of older machines and test further.

Hello gnomic,
Thanks any feedback you can provide if you are successful in getting wireless going will be collected for inclusion in future documentation.

Please list Hardware you have success with also if you want.

Before downloading, may I inquire whether or not VLC will work with this distro?
Since it does not appear to be included with the download, how do we go about installing it, if it can be used?

Am I correct in understanding Lobster's post, that Opera 11 works as browser for this "legacy" OS?

On windows 98, I must use Opera 10.10, and an older version of VLC, 0.86f, however, both work just fine, I must confess.

I found that the newer Linux versions would not work with my older video card, as you noted, however, on further examination, it turns out that it was NOT my 12 year old video card (Trident) that Linux (newer versions) choked upon, but rather, the even older color monitor. The monitor finally gave way, and when it did, I replaced it with a "new" monitor, only five years old, and voila, the same card, same Linux, worked fine.

Puppy, 4.x worked fine with that old monitor, but on inspection, I observed that the plug was missing several gold pins, evidently not part of the older specification, when that monitor was constructed, perhaps about twenty years ago...

With most current versions of Linux, I am unable to achieve a proper resolution with my newest monitor, (exceptions, Puppy, and PCLOS with the Drake control center), as I can do effortlessly with windows 98, i.e. 1280 x 1024. Something to do with HDMI I suppose, for I continue to use the old VGA plug....



I like everything about Puppy, old and newer versions, save for the fact that VLC does not install, at least, I cannot get it to work with VLC. I cannot understand why VLC is not included with the default, downloaded distro. I am way past willing to fool around with Aqualung and the rest of the defective streaming audio players. No VLC, no interest.

regards,
CAI ENG

Just got my first look, john - absolutely magnificent.
All those whimpering tw*ts should ditch their modern cr*p and search the skips & dumpsters for decade-old boards - it's all one needs with this masterpiece.
That bridge looks familiar - it isn't Syndey's steel, is it!

Hello caieng,
Legacy OS 2 comes with VLC 8.6 and Opera 10.10 by default. No need to install anything!
For the record Opera 11 with run but produces error messages when you close it.

Arrr Sage!
What can I say if I did a "Studio 4" (http://getstudio4.com/) with Legacy OS 2, I'd use your last post as a Testimonial.

Sage says: Just got my first look, john - absolutely magnificent.
All those whimpering tw*ts should ditch their modern cr*p and search the skips & dumpsters for decade-old boards - it's all one needs with this masterpiece.

As for the bridge, I have no idea got the image in a collection of GPL wallpapers.

Maybe veering off topic, but . . . for the benefit of caieng
VLC will certainly run in Puppy, or some Puppies at any rate. For a very recent rather good current example see snowpuppy.And of course it works in Legacy!

It may be considered a bit bloated for minimalist Puppy versions.

@ john biles
Oh dear no!

Tried Legacy OS 2, and it wouldn't boot on my hardware.

The last Puppy of yours I got to work is Teenpup Mini 2010 beta.

This is getting to be a habit.
I'm desperate to try your offerings, but cannot get them to boot!

Am I doing something wrong or what?