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SFR wrote: Or am I naive..?

I think it's far better not to give away your freedom to begin with. It's hard to get it back. We're seeing the importance of YouTube...let's hope corporate interests don't shut it down.

AFAIK it is already taken but only postponed due to one voice asking
for something that makes it temporarily hanging but within weeks or month it will go through.

It does not look promising at all. All the music we had access to
will be gone. Would even artists be allowed to do covers anymore?
I mean them want money if you sing others copyrighted stuff.

That is how it is regulated in law here in Sweden. If you play in public
then you are supposed to pay to the Iffy ot what name they have.
Then they pay the artists collectively.

Unless you sing only your own copyrighted stuff? Or things that are
70 years old or more. Old Folk music whom nobody owns anymore?

This article paints a depressing picture
http://www.quora.com/Does-SOPA-E-PARASI ... of-passing

nubc wrote:This article paints a depressing picture
http://www.quora.com/Does-SOPA-E-PARASI ... of-passing

This bill will be as effective as airline security..where many citizens have simply had to stop flying (you have a metal post in your leg, etc.....). Is anyone really stupid enough to think this bill will be effectively employed?

Hey, but wait...
Latest news is that financial advisers have ascertained that the States Legislature and Tax Department revenue would gain greater advantage for the economy and US citizens, and an easier enforcement regime, if the bill were amended to go after Spammers and Virus-makers and spreaders, whose use of the Internet bandwidth is estimated to be costing the global economy in excess of 35 Trillion dollars, (as well as being responsible for heavy burdens on businesses at all levels, including Government departments)...which would just about stabilise the economy for the coming 2012 Presidential Election, rather than put the Country into a state of division and outrage, at the backlash of current proposals.
Proposals to encourage shutting down both servers and advertising revenue streams derived from Spammer activity, and granting funds to existing Spam and Antivirus firms, are also being hurriedly put together....individuals found to have Spam or Viruses on their PCs would be offered a $10 fix service throughout a vast array of stores, with Micr$oft heading up a free update if the Operating system was damaged during infection of the PC. Apple say they are unaffected, but expect to gain some market share, and Linux users fell about laughing........

Oh!...that was an interesting dream....

Aitch

An excerpt:

"Labeling their approach a "market-based system" to protect consumers and property owners, the authors of HR 3261 would require advertisers, credit card companies and other payment processors to stop providing ads or payment services to any site that a copyright or trademark holder claimed was "dedicated to the theft of U.S. property." No court would need to be involved unless the operator of the site filed a counter-notice asserting that it didn't fit the bill's definition of a dedicated infringer.

That definition is so broad, it could snare all sorts of cloud-based services, said Markham Erickson, executive director of the NetCoalition tech advocacy group. The problem starts with the bill's focus on Web "sites," which as a technical matter can be a single page within a domain. An eBay listing could be considered a "site," as could a Facebook timeline, a Flickr page or a Dropbox folder.

Making matters worse, the bill broadens the notion of what it means to be "dedicated to the theft of U.S. property." In addition to sites that are primarily designed or marketed for infringing uses, the bill's definition includes sites whose operators "avoid confirming a high probability" that they will be used to infringe or who had at any previous time promoted infringements.

According to Erickson, the only way for ad networks and payment processors to respond to a notification about a supposedly offending site would be to block service to the entire domain. Hence, "you can shut down YouTube, you can shut down internet commerce sites, you can shut down hosting sites" for infringements on just a fraction of their pages, Erickson said."

http://opinion.latimes.com/opinionla/20 ... ernet.html

SOPA is for one purpose only: for government to gain control of the Internet.

We have to donate then to John
so he can afford a Host that is reliable.

Maybe we should have a pledge drive so John can move the forum, right here in this thread. I'll pledge US$20 for that purpose.

can afford 20USD if it really goes to a Host that is reliable.

Hackers respond:

http://www.hindustantimes.com/technolog ... 89502.aspx

Tor anonymity will become illegal with SOPA acts ?

http://thehackernews.com/2011/12/tor-an ... -with.html

I expect AES & GPG will be forbidden next and every newborn will get an implant that reads thoughts and sends them to a local branch of "Ministry of Correct Thinking"!

Greetings!

http://puppylinux.info/topic/another-re ... -streaming

It ain't over till it's over

Aitch

SFR wrote:

Tor anonymity will become illegal with SOPA acts ?

http://thehackernews.com/2011/12/tor-an ... -with.html

I expect AES & GPG will be forbidden next and every newborn will get an implant that reads thoughts and sends them to a local branch of "Ministry of Correct Thinking"!

Greetings!

..Microsoft opposes it? I thought Microsoft ruled the world. Perhaps they could pull all US government licenses. I'm sure we'd all be safer.

@jpeps:
Well, it seems that deep in his heart Bill Gates is a camouflaged warez lover.
http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/ce-o ... ed-videos/

Edit: I forgot to add:
Greetings!

Tor anonymity will become illegal with SOPA acts ?

see my comments

http://puppylinux.info/topic/linuxmint- ... rch-engine

Aitch

Wonder if SOPA will apply to people's avatars?

Ha Ha, .....that'd destroy the Internet for sure....there's millions of forums in use with even more avatars than active users....
but I shouldn't laugh, that might be part of the evil plan for oneworldgovernment-ww3-doom-end-of-world scenario?

Aitch

Sky Aisling wrote:Wonder if SOPA will apply to people's avatars?

On some forum here in Sweden they have famous people as Avatars.
If the owner of that picture bark loud I guess the user is in deep trouble.

Ooops no it will be the owner of the forum that is in deep shit.
All Admins have to block any kind of jpg due to this blessing from the copyright friends.

But realistically they start out with copyrighted music on Youtube.
They will also clamp down on all clips from movies? and Commercial TV shows.

I feel unsure of how they will relate to all young artists singing covers.

The song as such is the artists but they sing something that they have
no right to sing. Only the owners of that copyright can give a yes or no.

Unless you pay a very high sum for being allowed to produce such on a
commercial basis like if you are a Radio Station on Internet instead of on air. Then you pay annually and give them lists on what music you played. To just sing others music would most likely not be allowed?

Privately maybe one are allowed to do it if those who listen are friends and it is not accessable by anybody outside the "circle of friends"
so maybe music will get moved to private clubs for sharing music?
if even that will get accepted by the law?

Hackers respond:

Wow, what an annoying website. Can't even read the article, it jumps around so much. Don't website creators ever look at their creations?

nooby
As I explained here
http://puppylinux.info/topic/is-copyrig ... #post-2594

All this 'stuff' is based upon a misapplication of the English Licensing law - it was based upon 'performers on a stage' in licensed premises - pubs
The definition of a performer was 'a person or persons performing an entertainment in the form of singing or dancing and employed for the entertainment of patrons'
There never was a statute requiring a license to perform, in English law, so, in legal phraseology...the law has no legs...it is useless
The CPS Copyright Protection Service never were authorised by statute to enforce against publicans, so acted, as a private body, as if they were the Crown Prosecution Service, whose letters they bandied about for effect
Just BS all of it! and used simply for extorting monies from the entertainment profession, ostensibly to protect them from theft of income, whilst STEALING their income!....!

Aitch

Americans have their laws and English their law and Swedish have their laws.

A total mess of it all Only future will tell what happens.

Not on topic: I am a reluctant Pessimist. Even when I fear the worst
then Reality rear it's ugly head and tell me I lacked the imagination to
really know how bad it really got in real life. My imagination could not
foresee how bad it did turn out in the end.

Sony Play Station? comes to my mind. They could load Linux on it
and play games that Sony did not get payed for. So now it is not possible
anymore.

I-pods? them could also have linux on them for a short while.
Not so anymore.

Netbooks and Laptops could have Linux on them.
For how long will that be allowed? Maybe a few year more
then they lock it out.