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Is it a xPad or xPC?

Is this a competitor

I can get a bluetooth keyboard and case for my Nexus 7 for $35.

I worked with Java and I was not impressed over-all.
A great idea of unification that`s messy and a heavy dependency.

My main thought was... Great, another language.
I didn`t see how it improved anything much.


But the idea of using web browsers as an application platform has merit.
It presents a common interface ( API ) that could unify display methods.
But then again... The same thing could be done with the Linux desktop.

Linux could squash WinBlows and M$ knows it.
But they also know they have nothing to fear as Linux is so scattered.

sunburnt wrote: My main thought was... Great, another language.
I didn`t see how it improved anything much.

..well it's certainly useful if you want to write apps for your android device.

I attended a LinuxFest

There were several vendors their with some technology that is un-announced as well as some presenters with announced technologies. I gain new knowledge of awareness and directions.

I saw a HP server running Intel's latest Atoms (for xPAD/xPhones) on couple of SBCs. Interesting.

And, I saw an Intel PAD with the 1.8GHz Atom for xPADs. As noted, its not that the processor is so fast as it distributes workload within the cores. Its the fact that more and more subsystems and features will be taking advantage of the increases at about the time your cell contract runs out.

There is real method to the growth and expansion I have be "tooting the horn" about over the past several months. There is no super train coming which will steam roll over us....the train has already arrived.

Also, for those of you aren't aware of the benefits of some of the OS (yes Operating Systems) that currently are aimed and operating on xPADs/xPhones, add WebOS to that mix of OSes. If this should take off, since it is now Public Domain, and since they just complete V1 with all of the changes that Palm and HP agreed to before the osterity programs set in, you will find a complete product ready for touch-screen and voice use....OOTB, today! Now, the community can start addresses free Open Source "Stores" of applications for your personal hand-held or touch-screen devices. Take it away community.

We, in Puppyland, will need to begin a new way of looking at the UI for the community. Ubuntu is already poised with Unity, and I'm betting Fedora is either going to go the direction of ONLY servers with some meager desktop approaches or they will be stepping forward with a "Stores" based desktop for touch devices soon, as well.

WebOS could send this touch industry into a very interesting direction for it can not only addresses personal usage, but also has a very suitable setting for embedded use as well.

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HP basically killed off palm and webOS after acquiring it. Verizon no longer even carries it. We've already got linux based devices with quad core processors.

HP leading the way????

http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-10 ... -pc-market

I have Verizon for my Internet and could spin you quite a rant if it were on topic -- it's not.

What is on-topic is this: officially, Verizon does not support Linux. What they do is one of two things. On older 'Net devices that need VZAccess Manager (the Windows and sometimes-Mac application for activating and connecting) they don't support it at all. On newer 'Net devices, you just power up your device and away it goes without much trouble.

We have 2 MiFi devices, an old one that has been deactivated (MiFi 2200, needs activation and VZAccess Mgr) and a newer one (MiFi 4620L, self-activates, no need for VZAccess Mgr). We also have a nearly-antique USB stick-modem for backup (Pantech UM175VW, needs activation and VZAccess Mgr). Although one can use --once activated-- the MiFi2200 or Pantech UM175VW on Linux (I've done it, PupDial works for this) as they accept the AT Command Set... you cannot activate them on Linux because the companies do not release the full commandset so it's impossible to know without blackboxing or reverse-engineering what works to activate the blasted thing and how.

...a note about the PupDial mention. Verizon uses a dialup model with these things -- the modem connects to Verizon's servers by 'dialing' #777 and sending along a username and password. I've forgotten both for the MiFi and Pantech, but it's not hard to look up on Google. It's pretty simple stuff, though, specific only to make/model of modem -- not individualized to the customer at all.

starhawk wrote:I have Verizon for my Internet and could spin you quite a rant if it were on topic -- it's not.

What is on-topic is this: officially, Verizon does not support Linux.

...not sure what you mean by "support." They carry a full line of android devices..both tablets (eg, Toshiba) and smartphones (LG, etc....)

With 'wireless hotspots' as they call their Internet devices, if you use them on Linux, they cannot and will not help you with any issues you might have. It's not an outright warranty-voider, but it's pretty close.

Also, I do not consider Android to be a form of Linux. If you dig far enough into the filesystems (yes, it has multiple FS in it) you'll find a Linux Kernel somewhere, BUT everything else is so completely different that it's not really in the spirit of Linux at all.

I'll reconsider my position on Android if and when most Android drivers work on Linux, particularly the GPU drivers. Until then... no.

starhawk wrote:
Also, I do not consider Android to be a form of Linux. If you dig far enough into the filesystems (yes, it has multiple FS in it) you'll find a Linux Kernel somewhere, BUT everything else is so completely different that it's not really in the spirit of Linux at all

If you root the device, you can do whatever you like with it. I can do terminal bash scripting on mine using a vim editor. After all, it IS a linux system. There are some real differences that are best handled by adopting a language that suits the device.

OK, so it has a Linux Kernel and bash.

That's the only parts of it that I see that are real Linux built in. (I assume you added vim later.) Everything else is Java on top of the kernel and therefore is COMPLETELY alien to Linux.

...further, as noted, Android drivers generally do not work in Linux. GPU drivers are particularly incompatible, I hear.

My statement stands.

Android is a window manager which sits on top of Linux. Puppy has different window managers which sit on top of Linux. Linux does not care if the WM is written in C.xx or Java. I suppose if they wanted to, Apple could put Mac Os on top of Linux rather than UNIX.

Android is NOT just a wm.

Read this (link below). I disagree with the title, because of the contents, but it is there and will remain because that's how Wikipedia is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(o ... tem)#Linux

Normally I'd put a quote up, but I'd have to quote that whole section and I'm not gonna do that.

HP Product manager delivered the WebOS announcement presentation. Yes, it was built, and funded by HP. (Should make you wonder as it did many members of the audience)

They are position, should they take this further to bring out a whole new product line. But, he did NOT comment (pre-announce) although he did share how simple they have made this to run on every known platform that they see promise on.

AND, IT IS ON THEIR WEBSITE FOR WEBOS. I was pleased to here that it runs on HP's Touchsmart series and is only a simple download away. This means that as they stand back watching Microsoft's Surface, they "could" in a stroke of a pen bring out an HP tablet based on WebOS.

For now, though, they only share that it is out of beta and available for Public use. (I was/am not aware of how connected this OS is to Linux). Further there is an active forum on this (reading between the lines, from now until 2013, HP techs will be backgrounding this forum to meet community needs.) To me, this is a free OS that should it have a 4G radio, it would rival iPad/xPad/Phones, etc.

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No devices have picked it up yet, but looks like they're hoping to market a cloud service.


"At this point it’s unclear whether Open webOS has much of a future — but HP isn’t focusing much on the operating system’s past. While it looks and feels a lot like the webOS 3.0 operating system that was released with the launch of the HP TouchPad tablet last year, Open webOS 1.0 won’t run on the TouchPad. It also won’t work on the Palm Pre, Veer, or Pixi smartphones.

That doesn’t mean independent developers won’t find a way to port the operating system to run on those devices, but HP isn’t promising any assistance."

http://liliputing.com/2012/09/hp-releas ... s-1-0.html

jpeps wrote: ... That doesn’t mean independent developers won’t find a way to port the operating system to run on those devices, but HP isn’t promising any assistance." ...

The product manager seemed to imply that there is current support (I think forum) that provides assistance.

But, I must wait for the HP TouchSmart that I am expecting to purchase soon.

You share that it does not run on these devices and yet he implied that it does. I'll try to contact him for more definitive position of what WebOS (GA version intends and where support questions can be answered.)

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gcmartin wrote:
You share that it does not run on these devices and yet he implied that it does. I'll try to contact him for more definitive position of what WebOS (GA version intends and where support questions can be answered.)

Personally I don't know; that was a quote from the review.

Summary of WebOS and its development assistance
AND
Official HP supported site for WebOS

I would recommend that you start with the Summary, above, then progress to the Official site which has comprehensive support (forum) and what experience you can expect.

HP's site showing its progression from Palm to WebOS "Community". Click Community.

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BTW/ the review noted the TouchPad isn't supported. They have it running on the their TouchSmart. They're hoping that other developers will include it on mobile devices.

WebOS developers are off and running. See this!

And HP is funding Apps to jump start your use!
Hope this helps