Oh, I didn't see the list, I didn't know you were including tk games.WhoDo wrote:What impact would leaving out tk have on the tk inclusions in our list - specifically the tk games?.
Thanks, rarsa. I really appreciate you bringing these packages up to date for us.rarsa wrote:I will upload the packages and then you can decide if you include them or not.
I'd suggest just changing the status to: Assigned to, completed, deferred, canceled.WhoDo wrote:I'll keep adding to and subtracting from the list and updating this post until 4.2a2 is uploaded.
Yes. That was my original intention when adding a Developer's ToDo List page to the wiki at puppylinux.org, but that page somehow went missing and it was easier to go with a thread here instead.rarsa wrote:I'd suggest just changing the status to: Assigned to, completed, deferred, canceled.
that way we know what happened to the items in the original list without having to read all the posts.
I've read that Gnocl doesn't yet have all the functionality of the standard Tk and Ttk widgets. Is that still true? I need pretty much all the functionality there is, especially for text, canvas, listbox, and ttk::treeview widgets, and the grid and pack geometry managers. Also, there are a lot of existing Tcl/Tk programs (including mine, and many more) that will work out of the box if Tk is in the iso and not if it isn't. Far fewer as yet, I think, are the existing programs that use Gnocl.rarsa wrote:Is tk going to be in the iso or as an add on? i'd suggest having it as an add on and keep Gnocl as the main toolkit for tcl for Puppy.
Me neither, but there must have been someone who did it for Puppy 4.1 and 4.1.1. I couldn't use Puppy every day until I got Puppy 4.1, because the printing didn't work. Now I can, because it does (with my Brother HL-5140 monochrome laser).WhoDo wrote:anyone who thinks they have what it takes to make CUPS work properly on Puppy will become the next Superhero of the Puppy world. I can assure you it won't be me.
CUPS was originally compiled for Puppy by user pakt, but I haven't seen him around for a while.pa_mcclamrock wrote:Me neither, but there must have been someone who did it for Puppy 4.1 and 4.1.1. I couldn't use Puppy every day until I got Puppy 4.1, because the printing didn't work. Now I can, because it does (with my Brother HL-5140 monochrome laser).WhoDo wrote:anyone who thinks they have what it takes to make CUPS work properly on Puppy will become the next Superhero of the Puppy world. I can assure you it won't be me.
No. At least from what I've read so far, Tcl/Tk scripts would have to be rewritten to use Gnocl instead of Tk; it wouldn't be just a comparatively simple matter of adding "gnocl::" in front of every Tk widget name in every script; and not everything would be likely to work. Gnocl is very interesting for development, and I'd like to see it included in the iso--but not at the expense of Tk, which is far more necessary for running existing programs!WhoDo wrote:What impact would leaving out tk have on the tk inclusions in our list - specifically the tk games? IOW, does tcl+gnocl = tcl + tk?
Update: Coolpup has found and restored the wiki Developer's ToDo List so I will start using that to track things now. It should make it much easier to update the status of or assign requests/fixes for the rest of the development cycle.WhoDo wrote:Yes. That was my original intention when adding a Developer's ToDo List page to the wiki at puppylinux.org, but that page somehow went missing and it was easier to go with a thread here instead.rarsa wrote:I'd suggest just changing the status to: Assigned to, completed, deferred, canceled.
that way we know what happened to the items in the original list without having to read all the posts.
Answers my question nicely, thanks.pa_mcclamrock wrote:Gnocl is very interesting for development, and I'd like to see it included in the iso--but not at the expense of Tk, which is far more necessary for running existing programs!
I did it originally for series 2 or three (I cannot remember) and testing was a real pain.pa_mcclamrock wrote:there must have been someone who did it for Puppy 4.1 and 4.1.1.
That's 100% correct.pa_mcclamrock wrote:At least from what I've read so far, Tcl/Tk scripts would have to be rewritten to use Gnocl instead of Tk;
Tk look and feel is consistent across platforms but not consistent with each platform.pa_mcclamrock wrote:I'd like to see it included in the iso--but not at the expense of Tk, which is far more necessary for running existing programs!
God status awaits ....ttuuxxx wrote:Guess what??...[snip teasing] ... I compiled the latest version, altered Barry's script etc, it seems to be working, I'm going to try it on my other pc, it conects to the local host etc. So it should work right? The only printer I have is on my wife's xp machine and well I don't load anything on it, so I can't truely test it.
I'll package it up soon.
but only IF you can get it to add a printer and print a test page from within CUPS. Local printing will do. Remote would be just fantastic! 
Aha! So that's why we need BOTH ... Gtk 2 is our environment of choice for the Dingo series, so we need tcl/tk to support older apps and Gnocl to encourage development of newer ones respectively. Cool!rarsa wrote:Long time ago the direction was to standardize with the GTK look and that's when Gnocl came about.
Again, I'll upload the .pets to see if size is even an issue.
Ummm... I've just checked and they are SMALLER by a significant amount than the previously uploaded versions - either the 8.5.a4 or the 8.5.5 runtimes David uploaded. Well done, rarsa!rarsa wrote:I've uploaded tcl-8.5.6, tk-8.5.6 and gnocl-0.9.92 which are the most recent versions respectivelly.
They are marginally larger than the previous versions. I don't remember anything bad from the previous versions so if you want to use the previous versions due to size that would also be OK
You've saved us around 800kb over the two tcl and tk library sets. Gnocl looks smaller too. I think the previous version was about 500kb, but don't quote me! 
Well its on the xp machine anyways, but I still booted puppy etc, I didn't remove anything from the package so all forms of printing should maybe work. I did put the username and password of the cups index page so it would be easily found 
