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those libs are in your SeaMonkey directory

the dirty way is to run
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/path/to/your/seamonkey-dir

but really it should be added in /etc/profile
or symlink them to /usr/lib as previously stated

to change mime type handling it depends if a. you are using rox or b. you mean opening it from SeaMonkey (it does its own handling)

BTW I made a script that will make flash9 work with YouTube and most other sites if you'd rather.

Please do provide the script for Flash 9 and Youtube.
I have no particular reason to use Flash 10.
But why does Flash 10 not work with pulp if Seamonkey has all the dependencies?

#!/bin/sh
#assuming it is in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ for now ... should use find instead
NEWVER="10.2 r"
FLASHLOC=/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
VER=`strings $FLASHLOC | grep -e "^Shockwave Flash [.\d+]*" | sed -e "s/Shockwave Flash //g"`
while [ "${#NEWVER}" -lt "${#VER}" ]
do
NEWVER=${NEWVER}9
done
sed -i "s/$VER/$NEWVER/g" $FLASHLOC

#flash9 is discontinued as of last month, but for now the last is at
#http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flas ... r_9.tar.gz

I edited /etc/profile and discovered (as you implied) that libflashplayer.so
goes not into wherever I had put it but into /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins,
so I copied it there, and also to the plugins directory of opera 11.01
(which I installed by unpacking the .bz2 with tar -yxvf in /mnt/home/).

In profile I added to LD_LIBRARY_PATH (at the end) /mnt/home/seamonkey/program
because that is where the latest libraries for mozilla currently are
(they came with the Seamonkey 2.07 pet package). Now Flash can find
its formerly missing libraries.

Flash 10 now works in Opera 11.01 and Seamonkey 2.07. Next I need
to install flash blocking....

I don't understand your script but it appears to be trying to fool
the browsers into thinking whatever version you have is actually 10.2.

strings /usr/lib/Firepup*/plugins/libflashplayer.so | grep - Shockwave
informs me that I have not Flash 9 but Flash 7 r68
One of the early postings for pulp listed Flash 9. ???

The latest version (now in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins - where there was not
originally a libflashplayer.so but where the mozilla browsers appear
to look first) is 10.2 r152.

I can't imagine Shockwave Flash 7 working very well at any site
even if you fooled the site into thinking it was version 10.2.

Flash 10 is over 12MB, Flash 7 only 2MB, so I understand why 10 is not
included with pulp. Perhaps someone could make a pet that installs
Flash 10 to pulp (edits /etc/profile to point to the libraries and copies
the 12MB library to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins) so it would work with
mozilla-based browsers on computers with enough memory and speed.
I prefer pulp even on my 'newer' (8-10 year old) computers.

How large is Flash 9?
Would it work with Youtube without faking the version number?

actually flash7 works fine for most of the games that my kids like to play, and it worked on most of YouTube till November (it would still work if they had not changed the interface)

flash9 is only 8mb vs 12mb+ for v10.x... but the latter is much more resource efficient... the only good reason to use v9 is if you use opera, midori, or other non-mozilla browser

it doesn't fool the browsers... just gets around javascript added by point and click flash programmers who often just say latest rather than doing any amount of testing. I use v9 with midori/opera-9.27 and have only found 1 site with a problem... a flash10 demo.

If Flash 10 uses less resources (despite being larger) what is the reason to use Flash 9 with Opera?
Pulp already comes with the libraries (in Firefox). Will your script work with Flash 7?

sindi wrote:If Flash 10 uses less resources (despite being larger) what is the reason to use Flash 9 with Opera?

b/c of the libraries you mentioned earlier ... it's smaller just more convenient - you could still just copy those libs into /usr/lib

Pulp already comes with the libraries (in Firefox). Will your script work with Flash 7?

Yes, but if something _actually_ requires flash8+ (fairly infrequent) it may (not always) cause the browser to shutdown (opera seems to do better though, b/c it wraps the plugins) ... most of the time you just don't get the newer components - also some people had problems with not getting sound even when flash7 was new - that required a helper lib in the plugin directory called libflashhelper (or something like that)

Have you tried using flash 7 (with your script) for Youtube?
If it works, I will share it with Basiclinux, which has such
old libraries that nothing newer than 7 will work.

It did work with most videos until late last November when YouTube changed the player gui (which is separate from the actual content) for now it won't work without some kind of hack to bypass the player gui ... you might as well use You2pup (or 1 of 1000 other youtube downloaders) and mplayer for that. But it is still useful for playing 90% of the flash games out there (most of these are the exact same games that came out even before flash7, but the web page template contains stock javascript that insists that _all_ content requires flashX.x ... whatever the latest was at the time it was generated)

btw flash7 is the only version that will work with gtk1 browsers like the ones at lamerelle.org

Hi "zenfunk",

- Have dwnld 002 and 003 to try in some old IBM laptops, and a desktop or 2 also. Wondered where the 0.1 ver is located, i'm having trouble following the info through the pages.
- Also would you be kind enough to list base kernel numbers used so as I may kind of understand what works and doesn't in converting this old hardware. From pg1 "My base distro is 4.1.2 barebones retro."

- Also might comment on liking to stay with 1.5 - 2.x security enhanced FireFox derivitives by "ttuuxxx" (rant: Lot of browser spill in 3.6)

- As an aside, reading about Flash 10, isn't that the version introducing EverCookies, from what i've gleaned reading about, is that most folks are staying with 9 and earlier until absolutely forced by a site to change.

Thank You for the work
Jay
NoobyNew - ryhmes with ScobbyDo and PuppyToo!
-gee, listened too much TV today!!

hi efiguy - dunno about 02 or 01 but the kernel for 03 is 2.6.21.7 and the jwm is v2.0.1 - most apps and sfs <p431 vintage should be okay or doable with some 'little stuff' dependencies (best result and performance is with stuff that's less inclined to newer 'heavy' gtk). Like WishRush filemanager and Pa McClamrock's stuff seems better in the 2009 or tcl/tk versions rather than the recent gnocl'd stuff.

Actually it's a really good optimization (like rox is still here but it's been pared decently if you need it for roxy fm stuff). I'd suggest shinobar's mod-fix of pmount since it solves the too-quick open/close of optical trays on unmounts if the desktops have'em.

Hi,

- no laptops running - did general disc check - using 2003 desktop 933 AMD, booted - didn't find video, reboot xorg ok this time, used 1024x768, text and menu little small, - Very responsive and 300meg ram left. (the dual boot 431 has 53meg)
- I accidently clicked the small console icon and got into trouble, locking the gui, mouse still moved, had to reset out.

- I'll certainly experiment some more - Looked for "Growlers Hiawatha pet" doesnt seem to be available.
- For me, think this might be a great webserving start for using an older desktop or laptop hardware.

- Missed PProcess - Would like a process control
Sometimes find myself more involved with utilities, than office stuff,
sure could use a fat32 Undeleter, partition restorer, something that will open virtually any file extension for inspection of text, like old dos edit, or winvi .

Sorry got to rambling
Great job
I'll find a "Puphouse" for Pulp,
J

efiguy wrote: something that will open virtually any file extension for inspection of text, like old dos edit, or winviJ

Try the command 'strings'...

Example

@efiguy
htop's prettier than pprocess (and faster, more intuitive, what's not to like?) .. oya, a console up is live - why I like the ones (like mrxvt and urxvt-8.1) that dim when they don't have focus, if it's lit up I tend to back away from pecking at the kybd.

Mmhm, change the font-size in any jwm theme (or fiddle with tray height if horizontal or width if vertical tray), Christian did go a mite compact on that but it's easy to change.

No idea if it'd benefit your case on 'un'deleting, but it helped me to recall some scuttlebutt about the ro's (layerage working system - I was trying to clean out and delete/rename/move/sym stuff around in a root subdir and kept coming up against 'dir not empty' .. [gotta be a forgotten whiteout since I couldn't 'see' it as-was in that dir on a multisession livecd) .. humped over to ro2, ro1 and found the wee beast. Smooth sailing after that.

ramble on

there is a nice gtk1 alternative to top/htop/pprocess called gps ... It was difficult to track down the sources, but quite nice and iirc less resource intensive than using a shell, terminal emulator and top/htop.

I will be posting a modified mrxvt soon (with numbered tabs)

be careful modifying strings in a binary ... its easy to Bork the global offset table ... I use sed to mod them in place but I also use code that ensures that the replaced string is the same size

Firefox 2 (Firepup) was refusing to load (said it was already running) and one of the two files I was supposed to delete in /root/mozilla/firefox did not exist (a lock file) so I deleted the whole directory and it works again (probably lost some settings though).

I have Flash 10 in another mozilla directory (on the path in /etc/profile) and now Youtube crashes Firefox 2. Other flash sites may do the same.

Firefox 3 pet would not install because my personal storage was down to 0 MB. I expect it to cooperate with Flash 10. I could have unpacked the tar.gz but thought there might be missing libraries that way. I expect it to break Firefox 2 but this is a fast 2GHz computer with 512MB RAM.

Seamonkey 2.0.7 portable pet in pulp 01 required libgconf-2.so.4 (it would occasionally segfault without it) which is available as a pet GConf-dbus-2.16.0-i486.pet.

Opera 11.01 works okay (unpacked to /mnt/home after downloading from opera.com. Picasa is not happy with it. Is there a pet for it?

Pulp 1 works just great with the latest browsers. It is the only linux I have seriously considered switching to in 10 years of using Basiclinux (which does boot faster). Now to get rxvt into the top of the menu (someone explained how earlier). Thanks to all.

I unpacked the bz2 in /mnt/home/ and ran it from there. Works with flash at youtube, but not with the flash introduction to Firefox 4 (looks like an abstract painting). Add-ons installed okay. No extra libraries required.

pUpnGo is some 11mb or something that is UltraLight.

How big is your pulp then? 6MB or what?

nooby wrote:pUpnGo is some 11mb or something that is UltraLight.

How big is your pulp then? 6MB or what?

nooby, PULP is not a tiny ISO like pUpnGo, but it uses gtk1 and other low resource apps and has many apps (unlike pUpnGo), but they are all built/configured/setup to work on old/slow PCs... Something like Puplite, but much lighter!

I have been publicizing pulp to users of basiclinux (which is ten years old and cannot run new browsers) as ideal for older hardware, and someone asked where to download the latest version.
zenfunk, please add a link to it on the first page of this topic. I see only links to some rather old versions, while the link to the latest one is buried many pages later.