(old)Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

Béèm wrote:@tombh
Is this Barry's site in a new coat?
Is it an own initiative?

I am afraid that different flavors of sites can confuse newbies.

Barry's site is puppylinux.com and is his own initiative.

The site being developed here is a replacement for the community web site now at puppylinux.org which is under constant attack from hackers. That's why Barry moved and that''s why puppylinux.org is moving.

The object of puppylinux.org is to offer a key web presence so that newbie users don't have to be confused.

And here is a screenshot of the latest version:

I haven't registered on the new site.

When I go to the latest news page it implies there are comments attached to some of the items, when I click on comments it takes me to a new page but I don't see any comments. It also says there is an RSS feed (excellent) but I don't see an rss icon or feed address.

Tom, a while back you said that wiki accounts would be transferred over automatically from the existing site so it was better not to register if you had a wiki account. Is this still the case? Do you have an approximate timescale for wiki migration?

Is Barry OK with the strapline "Welcome to the Home of Puppy Linux"?

Looks like it is coming together nicely and the manual seems well integrated, well done oli.

Hey Whodo I've been to stevenbinion (a puppy user on here Website) and really like his Xoops setup for downloads, Its really newbee friendly and works well, reminds me a bit like C/Net downloads,

I just wish that the whole puppy repository would be in such detail.
It could use a thumbnail that gives a full-Screen image when clicked, but other than that its really good.
ttuuxxx

oops it was this page
http://tekwolf.net/modules/wfdownloads/ ... .php?cid=1

@HairyWill: Thanks for that, anonymous users can now read comments.

I've just made a new topic about the WIKI migration. As I say in the post I'm planning on doing the WIKI as a separate project, as it were, and so plan on doing it after the website has peaked on its development cycle. However, migrating the users could be done easily and quickly, maybe I will consider doing that soon or ask Prit. I'll look into it and let everyone know as soon as I can.

Anyway for now, it's fine if a couple of people sign up on the new site just to test out the new stuff -- they can always be deleted later.

tombh wrote:Does anyone have any thoughts on the automatic welcome email template?

Hello !username,

You can now log into puppylinux.org at !login_uri using the following username and password:

username: !username
password: !password

You may also log in by clicking on this link or copying and pasting it in your browser:

!login_url

This is a one-time login, so it can be used only once.

After logging in, you will be redirected to !edit_uri so you can change your password.

-- the pupplinux.org website

I'm assuming that the password being emailed is automatically generated and not user defined? I just hate having my password sent to me.

Also, have the flag icons disappeared that where for the translations. I still get unloaded images in some browsers.

@Tom
Thanks, things are going great, just two minor concerns:
- the blog URL above results to "Access denied". Is there an access page for blogs that will not cause this error?
- the screen resolution - is it a 1024x768 minimum? I wonder if it is helpful (or possible) to support an 800x600 resolution?

@HairyWill
Is "Puppy Linux Community" more appropriate? Barry uses this description: "the main Community-supported Puppy website".

@WhoDo,

Thank you for the explanation.
I am not entirely sure that there can't be confusion, but time will tell.
Anyway the look is pretty and reposing fot the eyes.

Bernard

* Showing a screenshot from the vanilla 3.01 was a good idea. No false first impressions.

* Can this page be set up with some sort of a dynamic width? I'm looking at it with a screen res of 800x600 and it is too wide for a maximized Opera window.

floborg wrote:* Showing a screenshot from the vanilla 3.01 was a good idea. No false first impressions.

* Can this page be set up with some sort of a dynamic width? I'm looking at it with a screen res of 800x600 and it is too wide for a maximized Opera window.

Let's ask kindly to WhoDo to resize his picture to 700px or less and re-edit his post with the new sized picture.

I have the same problem of side-scrolling.

Béèm wrote:

floborg wrote:* Showing a screenshot from the vanilla 3.01 was a good idea. No false first impressions.

* Can this page be set up with some sort of a dynamic width? I'm looking at it with a screen res of 800x600 and it is too wide for a maximized Opera window.

Let's ask kindly to WhoDo to resize his picture to 700px or less and re-edit his post with the new sized picture.

I have the same problem of side-scrolling.

I think floborg was referring to the website page resizing dynamically according to a user's screen resolution. The screenshot is already at 800x600, but if you want them smaller in future, I'll be happy to oblige and set them at 640x480. You must have REAL trouble when some of our keen newbie posters put up images of 1280x1024, etc.

I think this highlights an important point. The battle over what is an acceptable image size could go on for ever. It would be useful to lay down some guidelines for editors of the new site at an early stage.
What is the largest image size that should be embedded in a page, if you really need bigger then it should be accessed through a link (thumbnail).
Will the new site be providing internal image storage space? (I hope so)
Will vanilla wiki users be able to store images? (could be expensive)

As to the users expected minimum screen size, surely monitors and graphics cards capable of 1024x768 are now ubiquitous and cheap even in the poorest of regions. I can see two reasons why someone might want to use a lower resolution, they have an eyesight problem or they are using some fancy non-standard device ie mini-sub notebooks. In both of these situations I see no reason that we should take a lowest common denominator approach. Browser extensions are available that can automatically resize images, perhaps we could publicise these.

@LOF: Yeah the password is an automatically generated one. And those flag images have been temporarily removed as they were remotely loaded from sites around the world (I just google-imaged for them) and oblivious noted that having strange URLs appearing during the loading process was a bit disconcerting. I'll definitely be using your suggestion of those flag pack things

@raffy: Anonymous users can now access the blogs. It is the superuser and administrator roles that can manage the access control page, if anyone wants to have a look. Also changed the lowest resolution to prevent side-scrolling and changed the home page title to "Puppy Linux Community".

@HairyWill: Internal image space is provided and currently vanilla users (as in ordinary registered users and not any old man and his dog) can upload images, I think that could be expensive too. There are a number of ways to make it 'harder' to upload images: basically either require users to ask for a specific role/privilege or make users accumulate 'points' through things like period registered, number of contributions (eg comments) etc.

Here are the W3C browser display statistics. As you can see 800x600 is still 14%. I had these stats in mind when I started the design and the site will (well it does now anyway!) stretch to all resolutions in between 800x600 and 1024x768. A 720px wide screenshot seems to fit nicely in both these extremes.

@800x600 users: How is the site looking now? Also what is the font-size like at these resolutions?

Image Size Standards
The screenshots mechanism automatically resizes all uploaded images and it is set to a maximum of 720px width. For images appearing in a sidebarred page the maximum is a 565px width.

tombh wrote:Here are the W3C browser display statistics. As you can see...

Tom, you beat me to it! Lol.

What I was going to say is that while 80% of people (bearing in mind this percentage is likely to have increased and continue to do so) will be able to see the site perfectly well, we can't truely expect to cut back or excessively limit the site for those with smaller sizes. I agree that we should concentrate on the vast majority.

However, saying all this I did go and take a look at the site at 800x600 and I'm starting to think that the menu text could be a size smaller. It makes the menu quite large. Could it be possible to shrink it down just a bit?

Just my humble opinion though...

HairyWill wrote:Is Barry OK with the strapline "Welcome to the Home of Puppy Linux"?

Yes, that's fine with me!

tombh wrote: @800x600 users: How is the site looking now? Also what is the font-size like at these resolutions?

The non-whitespace portions of the site almost fit into a maximized browser window. It seems to have a different width on different pages. There is some whitespace along the right-hand edge for some reason. The text size seems fine to me, but I've set a minimum font size in Opera.

ttuuxxx wrote:oops it was this page
http://tekwolf.net/modules/wfdownloads/ ... .php?cid=1

Nearly missed ya, ttuuxxx. I had a look at the download site. You linked. Looks good. I also like prit1's pilot site, too.

Raffy has suggested that everyone registers again for the new site rather than migrate the users over. Prit has already written and tested the migration script so we can easily go either way depending on the consensus.

Tom, please confirm that CamelCase notation in names is not required in the new site. (I've registered there as "raffy", so I guess a name like "RaffyM" is not required.)

Registering in the new site is quick anyway, so I guess having the same Forum name there is convenient. (Others may want to change their username [ie, different from that in the Wiki], so this will be their opportunity.)

No, CamelCase usernames are not required with Drupal.

ttuuxxx wrote:I just wish that the whole puppy repository would be in such detail. It could use a thumbnail that gives a full-Screen image when clicked, but other than that its really good.
ttuuxxx

oops it was this page
http://tekwolf.net/modules/wfdownloads/ ... .php?cid=1

@Ttuuxxx: Definitely having a good description and thumbnail would be excellent for the repository. Someone would really need to dedicate their time to go through all the puppy software available and write up the description and create thumbnails.

In the meantime, I just have created a sample repository that can be used with the existing Puppy software without much extra work.

Here is the link:
http://tipsforeveryone.com/puppyrepo/public.html

@Raffy: Do you know how many users are registered in WikkaWikki currently? Just an approximate number would do. I am not sure if all of them would want to manually go and register in the new puppysite.

My suggestion is that we can migrate the users as such to the new Puppy site and if anyone wants to change their id, they can do it manually later or contact the site admin. Also if most agree that the WikkaWikki form of username is not needed in the new site, we can modify it to just use small case during migration.