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I know you can bash me for this as much as you want BUT....

FireFox 3 is FRELLING CRAP ON WINODWS LET ALONE ON LINUX SYSTEMS..
I use IE 6 over FireFox 3 thats how much FireFox 3 sucks

I wish ttuuxxx could rebuild FireFox 1.5 for windows...
AND that part Im not joking about...
I use Opera 9.64 on linux and windows systems if I need to use something other than Opera then I use IE6(on windows) not firefox3 or seamonkey or Knoquorer on linux..

ttuuxxx if people need something a little better than AbiWord then although it would be a big job to compile you might look into Open office BUT compile it without the java component that should increase spead, keep compatability, maybe put a flip switch(?) or plug-in for java requirements that can be turned off..

90% of the slow down now in browsers and in office apps is due to the heavy reliance on JAVA.. version 2+ of Open Office could be compiled without the java component.. I dont know about the 3+ versions(memory requirement 128megs of ram for OOv3+ only).

I would do it myself except i am compiler incompitent...but removing the java component may or may not reduce the size of open office by upto 25% in size and increase speed dramatically
another idea might be to use OOv2.5 but add file associations from the newer versions so its still microsoft compatible...

I wont kid you its a big ask and a frelling big job...But ttuuxxx you have the uncanny ability to modify and retrofit things that just (most would say shouldnt be possible lol)

Mind you so does Mikeb lol find out mikeb can make grub4dos dance lol

Have you tried sinply turning Java off?
TOOLS>OPTIONS; expand "OpenOffice.org," click on Java and uncheck "Use a Java runtime environment."

There is a "light" version of OO 1.1 for Puppy, idk about OO 2 or 3.

Browsers in Windows - try FF 3.5 beta and then just wait a couple weeks for the final. Safari for Windows got a good review for its speed.

For windows I would say google chrome 2, its just been released and its way faster than opera or ff3, with speed test its nuts, but it doesn't have all the plugins etc, but if you want a fast windows browser I would check that out first, next there are other windows browsers that use IE backends,

My choice would be
chrome 2
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/B ... rome.shtml
Advant (ie based)
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/B ... wser.shtml
Seamonkey2
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/B ... nkey.shtml
K-Meleon
http://www.softpedia.com/get/PORTABLE-S ... leon.shtml
Enigma
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/B ... wser.shtml

as for Open office without Java, well you could use the cutdown versions from series 2, they are really small and Java free around 60MB pets around 1/3 of todays versions, also in the forums software section there's koffice is which is a bit smaller.
If I ever get some free time, I'll look at open office, I did rip it apart once just to see how much I could remove and keep writer working, due tothe fact I have no use for the other applications that come bundled, I even went as far as contacting Open Office and asked them to make a package with just writer included, they said the package was too deeply mixed. I also informed them they should make a browser plugin for firefox, really if they can make a wysiwyg plugin for firefox, why couldn't they make a 500kb wordprocessor plugin and reuse the rest of firefox, like built in spellcheck etc. Really would be a no brainer for a skilled FF coder.
ttuuxxx

Have you tried sinply turning Java off?
TOOLS>OPTIONS; expand "OpenOffice.org," click on Java and uncheck "Use a Java runtime environment."

ooo I always thought OO was a java applet rather than used for certain functions...Yer live and learn...I might try it now...java brings me out in an itchy rash.

@Cretsiah..I am well versed in the art of bodge and tart.

Ok back on topic.....
I had a mysterious crash saving files using firefox 1.5 and 2 when flash 9 is installed...only on older puppies. A revelation made me realise that it was the gtk2 file dialog causing the fit.....Firefox comes with its own file browser dialog....and when I switched to that the crash vanished..I did a small native celebration dance.

Now the built in dialog is also far less gloopy (1000 times faster apparently) and straightforward compared to the gtk thing...firefox 2 set ui.allow_platform_file_picker to false...done.
Firefox 1.5 needed this cludge but it works....

You can change it back to the built-in filepicker by modifying the following in
nsFilePicker.js which is located in the app's components directory. After
making the change you have to re-register the components which is easily
accomplished by disabling then re-enabling an extension and then restarting.
Installing or un-installing an extension will also force a component
registration. #(sic or updating)
code:
compMgr.registerFactoryLocation(FILEPICKER_CID,
"FilePicker JS Component",
//@line 278 *snip*
"",
//@line 280 *snip*
fileSpec,
location,
type);

TO

Code:
compMgr.registerFactoryLocation(FILEPICKER_CID,
"FilePicker JS Component",
//@line 278 *snip*
FILEPICKER_CONTRACTID,
//@line 280 *snip*
fileSpec,
location,
type);

Now perhaps firepup could included this desirable option...(unless it has already then just point and laugh) This also applies to seamonkey and thunderbird

regards

mike

Been a way from Puppy for a bit, thought I'd check in.
FirePup rules! Love it, thanks ttuuxxx.
Still have a problem uploading pics to Photobucket with it, but at least it doesn't crash the browser like Seamonkey used to.

Been away. Still have that Facebook chat problem keeping from using Firepup fulltime. I've tried having the chat in another tab, but everytime I switch away from it, chat logs out.
Is there any way to have two tabs active (visible) simultaneously in Firefox?

wosifat wrote:Been away. Still have that Facebook chat problem keeping from using Firepup fulltime. I've tried having the chat in another tab, but everytime I switch away from it, chat logs out.
Is there any way to have two tabs active (visible) simultaneously in Firefox?

I never came across a situation like that, probably you could read up on making "User profiles" that way you could run 2 user accounts at once.
ttuuxxx

Puppy 4.1.2-retro,
FirePup-0.04.3.1 with FirePup Theme

Installation of FirePup killed the SeaMonkey browser and the SeaMonkey Composer html editor, together with the Help menu. I thought this had been fixed in earlier versions of FirePup.

Is this is FirePup bug or a Puppy 4.1.2-retro bug or a SeaMonkey bug?

Is there a fix?

Wasn't this fixed in an earlier release of Firepup?

Will the Seamonkeyfix.pet still fix this problem?

I tried fire-pup today and i like it..

inside a vm though it runs as fast as my opera9.64..
they both beat the pants off sea monkey..

as for the Open Office thing, well given that i dont really use it much and when i do its only to open microsoft files anyway doesnt really bother me,
Just that i had seen people questioning the size/compatibility issues with microsoft.
my only real niggle with OO is that like microsoft office it has become bloated/slow with a normal setup configuration (OS type doesnt make a difference in that regard either)..

@ Subito Piano ... thanx about the turn off java option, im not real versed in all the configurations of OO so ill see what happens when i turn it off see if it runs faster..

For experimental purposes i might try to compile OO with and without the java and see if it makes any dramatic size differences.

Although i still have no idea what the java component is for in these office applications... java scripting? programming?

The following post was caught between Facebook & Open Office discussions. It has been ignored; even though it is about the topic of the thread FirePup.

I'd like to get the answers................

Thank you in advance.

don922 wrote:Puppy 4.1.2-retro,
FirePup-0.04.3.1 with FirePup Theme

Installation of FirePup killed the SeaMonkey browser and the SeaMonkey Composer html editor, together with the Help menu. I thought this had been fixed in earlier versions of FirePup.

Is this is FirePup bug or a Puppy 4.1.2-retro bug or a SeaMonkey bug?

Is there a fix?

Wasn't this fixed in an earlier release of Firepup?

Will the Seamonkeyfix.pet still fix this problem?

The following post was caught between Facebook & Open Office discussions. It has been ignored; even though it is about the topic of the thread FirePup.

I believe ttuuxxx is doing about 12 things at the moment and trying to have a life as well...a little patience is always appreciated.
As for your problem does seamonkey still run from the command line..?

mike

mikeb wrote:{snip}
I believe ttuuxxx is doing about 12 things at the moment and trying to have a life as well...a little patience is always appreciated.
As for your problem does seamonkey still run from the command line..?

mike

I have been patient! I have been waiting for 5+ days and this thread was on the third page down. I believe that the likelyhood of it getting answered was nil.

If you think that this post is rushing things -- I must strongly disagree!

Seamonkey won't run using
#rxvt -e seamonkey

What command do you suggest?

Just open a console and try mozstart

@trapster, thanks for the command

Seamonkey won't start with mozstart

any messages in the console when trying mozstart?

Sorry I didn't want to get involved with this questions, but I hate leaving things unfinished
ok The problem is that FirePup and Seamonkey both have system links that fall into the usr/lib/ directory, they both have the same name also, so when you install FirePup it cross's out seamonkey's system links and Seamonkey stops working, and if you then install seamonkey overtop of FirePup, it cross's out FirePup's system links. There is a way around it, but I haven't tried it yet, because well I usually only use one Browser.
But here we go what you have to read up on is setting "export MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME"
once you figure out that, then both will run at the same time.
I've never tried it, but read up on it, So if you figure it out, please post how you did it and maybe someone could make a simple script for it.
ttuuxxx

here's some examples
http://www.google.com/search?q=export+M ... com/puppy/

For what it's worth, I have 5 Puppy installs where Firepup and Seamonkey happily coexist.I use Firepup 99% of the time but Seamonkey still works.

Full installs of 4.20 Deeper Thought, 4.20 SUE, Woof 4.76 and 3.01 as well as 4.2.1 live saving to usb. No browser problems at all.

It is interesting how and/or why something will work on one installation and not work on another.

Still my favorite Puppy browser.

It seems to me that the firefox/seamonkey launch scripts are designed to include their own folder in the path so no linking is required but if the launch script is outside of the home folder then this doesn't work. I've had seamonkey and firefox co-exist just fine

mike

Just found another strike against FirePup, as much as I love it.
Google Docs doesn't seem to work with FireFox one series, or at least with FirePup.
So I'm looking for the best alternative. And if it can coexist with FirePup, all the better.
UPDATE: Just downloaded Firefox 3 straight off Mozilla's site, extracted it, and it runs alongside FirePup. I did upgrade Adblock Plus, and when I ran FirePup, it said that FirePup was incompatible with that version of Adblock. Any tips on how to tweak Firefox for best performance, or what can be done concerning the FirePup Adblock issue? It hasn't crashed on me yet, but I only just started using it. Don't know anything about compiling

Tuxx old chap, how can I get speed dial to run in your rather excellent firepup 0.4.3.1?

I have installed the speed_dial.pet you supplied with an earlier version but nothing seems to happen. By the way, the 'help' tab still reads the version as 1.5.0.12 , though I have the new tabs on my menu bar suggesting to me that I am using the latest version.

Keep up the good work, this is the only browser that could challenge Opera 10 as my first choice.