(old)Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

tuuxxx wrote:Seamonkey first and foremost is a browser, Can you browse?

I don't agree.
SeaMonkey is a suite, which includes a browser, a mail/news and a composer.
I can understand there are good reasons for a cut down, but I am not sure SeaMonkey + Claws will be that beneficial in size and/or memory footprint.

Users used to the suite should have been warned that their working environment isn't valid anymore.

Béèm wrote:I can understand there are good reasons for a cut down, but I am not sure SeaMonkey + Claws will be that beneficial in size and/or memory footprint.

Users used to the suite should have been warned that their working environment isn't valid anymore.

Agreed. Remember that we're talking about a development release here, though. Each has been preceded by a Bugs & Fixes post explaining what the differences are. We cannot be responsible if people want to take a chance on being at the "cutting edge" without reading the "warning label"!

That said, I am progressively more nervous about releasing Puppy-4.2 Final with Claws mail instead of the full Seamonkey suite. The saving of nearly 2Mb is very significant to the amount of extra usability we've been able to include in this release, but it is a high price for those used to Seamonkey mail/news.

It is fixable out of the box, of course, by a swift installation of the full package from PETget, but that's not going to impress some users. The best I can offer will be a prominent WARNING when the Final release goes up at puppylinux.org I hope that will be enough.

WhoDo
That said, I am progressively more nervous about releasing Puppy-4.2 Final with Claws mail instead of the full Seamonkey suite.

Hey WhoDo

I have refrained from commenting on several occasions
and the reason being is in the end you sign your name to it
that said ....here I go friend

think about this in 3-6 months nobody will remember that
version 4.2 was 2MB larger or smaller they will remember that something didn't work correctly or not though

WhoDo you are holding back
many months ago you made many nice themes
I liked them so much I commented about them long before
you started this project

they would still look good now
and always ,,,,,always .....always trust your gut feelings


big_bass

big_bass wrote:

WhoDo
That said, I am progressively more nervous about releasing Puppy-4.2 Final with Claws mail instead of the full Seamonkey suite.

Hey WhoDo

I have refrained from commenting on several occasions
and the reason being is in the end you sign your name to it
that said ....here I go friend

think about this in 3-6 months nobody will remember that
version 4.2 was 2MB larger or smaller they will remember that something didn't work correctly or not though

WhoDo you are holding back
many months ago you made many nice themes
I liked them so much I commented about them long before
you started this project

they would still look good now
and always ,,,,,always .....always trust your gut feelings


big_bass

The difference in size between Seamonkey with mail and Seamonkey with Claws mail is about the same size of Pwidgets/conky. So with that in mind, we might be getting another less effective email client but hey we have some new bling to slow down our Pc's with and also increase the min requirements with, Have you ever read what puppy's mission statement at DistroWatch is, lol
" Yes, Puppy Linux is yet another Linux distribution. What's different here is that Puppy is extraordinarily small, yet quite full featured. Puppy boots into a 64MB ramdisk, and that's it, the whole caboodle runs in RAM. Unlike live CD distributions that have to keep pulling stuff off the CD, Puppy in its entirety loads into RAM. This means that all applications start in the blink of an eye and respond to user input instantly. Puppy Linux has the ability to boot off a flash card or any USB memory device, CDROM, Zip disk or LS/120/240 Superdisk, floppy disks, internal hard drive. It can even use a multisession formatted CD-R/DVD-R to save everything back to the CD/DVD with no hard drive required at all!"

That highlighted statement should read "yet quite Bloated Bling, full featured. Puppy boots into a 256MB ramdisk,"
ttuuxxx

WhoDo wrote:

Béèm wrote:I can understand there are good reasons for a cut down, but I am not sure SeaMonkey + Claws will be that beneficial in size and/or memory footprint.

Users used to the suite should have been warned that their working environment isn't valid anymore.

Agreed. Remember that we're talking about a development release here, though. Each has been preceded by a Bugs & Fixes post explaining what the differences are. We cannot be responsible if people want to take a chance on being at the "cutting edge" without reading the "warning label"!

That said, I am progressively more nervous about releasing Puppy-4.2 Final with Claws mail instead of the full Seamonkey suite. The saving of nearly 2Mb is very significant to the amount of extra usability we've been able to include in this release, but it is a high price for those used to Seamonkey mail/news.

It is fixable out of the box, of course, by a swift installation of the full package from PETget, but that's not going to impress some users. The best I can offer will be a prominent WARNING when the Final release goes up at puppylinux.org I hope that will be enough.

I am thinking in more and more terms of having a good base puppy (4.2 or other) and if 3+ sfs files are supported to add the functionality which fits the user requirements.
f.e.
a SeaMonkey suite sfs
a Opera (suite as well) sfs)
a FireFox+ claws mail sfs.

Well, it's just a thought.

big_bass wrote:think about this in 3-6 months nobody will remember that version 4.2 was 2MB larger or smaller they will remember that something didn't work correctly or not though

Yes, I know, but thanks for the reminder. After some serious soul searching, package packing and decision making I've decided ... remember you heard it first HERE ...

... Puppy 4.2 Deep Thought will ship with the FULL Seamonkey-1.1.14 suite including Mail & News!

Yep. You heard it right! Claws mail is no more. The final straw was the thought that some poor Puppy users out there might lose their existing mail and have no idea what to do to get it back! I just couldn't risk the bad Karma that might bring to Puppy.

Don't ask me HOW but I have managed that with only 300kb more to find to bring the whole package in under 100Mb! Any suggestions?

WhoDo wrote:

big_bass wrote:think about this in 3-6 months nobody will remember that version 4.2 was 2MB larger or smaller they will remember that something didn't work correctly or not though

Yes, I know, but thanks for the reminder. After some serious soul searching, package packing and decision making I've decided ... remember you heard it first HERE ...

... Puppy 4.2 Deep Thought will ship with the FULL Seamonkey-1.1.14 suite including Mail & News!

Yep. You heard it right! Claws mail is no more. The final straw was the thought that some poor Puppy users out there might lose their existing mail and have no idea what to do to get it back! I just couldn't risk the bad Karma that might bring to Puppy.

Don't ask me HOW but I have managed that with only 300kb more to find to bring the whole package in under 100Mb! Any suggestions?

Did you use the stripped libs I provided that should of given you 500kb extra compressed or 1.44 extracted.
ttuuxxx

Also it might be best to add the last claws package to the repo, for the users who like claws over seamonkey, since that very is a classic meaning that its the last ssl to work out of the box for puppy without changing ssl backends.
ttuuxxx

@ttuuxxx - I have tested Seamonkey-1.1.15 in a pre-Release 4.2 and it works great! LOVE that throbber!!!

It also saves me some space and gets me that much closer to the target. Thanks for that.

@all - Puppy-4.2 Final will have the FULL Seamonkey-1.1.15 suite, and the INS key bug has been squashed. I know because I just tested it while typing this message and your seeing it is the PROOF!

WhoDo wrote:@ttuuxxx - I have tested Seamonkey-1.1.15 in a pre-Release 4.2 and it works great! LOVE that throbber!!!

It also saves me some space and gets me that much closer to the target. Thanks for that.

@all - Puppy-4.2 Final will have the FULL Seamonkey-1.1.15 suite, and the INS key bug has been squashed. I know because I just tested it while typing this message and your seeing it is the PROOF!

Hey Whodo did you use the whole gtk pet or did you do a trial and error to see which file was need to squash the ins bug? If so which file did it?
ttuuxxx

ttuuxxx wrote:Hey Whodo did you use the whole gtk pet or did you do a trial and error to see which file was need to squash the ins bug? If so which file did it?

Neither. Pizzasgood posted a link in the RC4 thread to where someone else (can't remember who) nominated the two files involved, and I just unpacked and copied them into my current version of Gtk+ (modifying the version title of course).

All of a sudden, my seamonkey mail won't download any more messages from my isp. I'm wondering if i hit a limit with too many messages in the inbox (225). Usually i empty the inbox each year but otherwise leave most messages in the box. Many messages are large (1/3 to 1.5 megs each.) This is only April so its only 1/3 of my normal quantity for Outlook Express - but for Puppy, everything is in memory. Is there a limit to seamonkey's ability to store messages? How can i check how much memory is used or if that is the problem?

Thanks