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Posted: Mon 20 Jun 2011, 16:40
by darkcity
Okay, so now we can experiment ; -)
I was hoping for discussion and agreement, one wiki would be the best solution.
@Oui can you post some links of the DokuWiki's that have translation installed?
Posted: Sun 26 Jun 2011, 19:43
by darkcity
There another wikka here
http://pupweb.org/wikka/
looks out of date - suggestion merge info from pupweb to puppylinux.org?
translation tools
Posted: Sun 10 Jul 2011, 03:43
by raffy
oui wrote:it seems that both wikis as installed have not yet the internal translation's follow up being installed in some other dokuwiki's I know
(all pages have in all languages the same name excepted the 2 letters language code as showed above. the first name entry is the mother version independent in witch language this happens and as often this mother version will be changed, the fact of opening a translated version without the needed actualization starts a warning message requiring an actualization of the translation! I find this simple system wonderful!).
Old Dokuwikis did need an extra installation of both, writing colors, and include function, to be able to use them, with the translation's management 3 extra functions also if the are not included automatic in the new Dokuwikis (I don't know it).
Will look into this suggestion, oui, hopefully by next week, as am terribly busy now.
darkcity, pupweb.org/wikka has this in the header:
"This is the old puppylinux wikka wiki. The new one is at puppylinux.org/wikka"
Perhaps it is now time to close pupweb.org/wikka , as these has been sufficient time to migrate the contents to puppylinux.org/wikka ?
Posted: Sun 10 Jul 2011, 04:13
by Lobster
Perhaps it is now time to close pupweb.org/wikka , as these has been sufficient time to migrate the contents to puppylinux.org/wikka ?
This has not been done. I just moved the major pages as needed right at the beginning.
You could however provide a period of several months. If old wiki material is not moved, then we can assume no one wants it sufficiently.
A notice to that effect on the front of the old wiki would provide notice of this intention.
Thanks raffy
Posted: Sun 10 Jul 2011, 09:31
by darkcity
I can help shifting the information over to the new wikka. I suggest adding a Category to the old wiki CategoryMigratedToNewWiki . Then when information has been moved to the old wiki page can be tagged.
This would allow an easy way to check the progress of page transfer. I will need login to the old wiki add the category tag.
The current wiki has a few flaws-
-Language support
-Inconsistent style
-Many pages missing explanation of subject, going straight into a technical how to.
I have an idea for language support, but I need to find code that can access and modified the current URL address.
Posted: Sun 10 Jul 2011, 10:03
by Lobster
I can help shifting the information over to the new wikka. I suggest adding a Category to the old wiki CategoryMigratedToNewWiki . Then when information has been moved to the old wiki page can be tagged.
That is fine and very welcome
- camelcase is not needed on the new wiki
so names can be changed if clearer.
Some pages/projects are no longer relevant or need no place
- so not everything is required.
The code is practically the same - only URLS now have to be
like so [[
http://www.puppylinux.org/news/ NEWS]]
http://www.puppylinux.org/news/
is not automatically a link
Posted: Sun 10 Jul 2011, 10:15
by darkcity
Grand. I won't shift things if not relative, just add a comment to that effect.
How do I get a login to the old wiki?
By code I meant java/php code that could grab the browsers current URL, rather than WikiCode.
emailed the login info
Posted: Sun 10 Jul 2011, 14:14
by raffy
darkcity wrote:How do I get a login to the old wiki?
By code I meant java/php code that could grab the browsers current URL, rather than WikiCode.
Just emailed the access code to you. (Had to use email 'coz PM did not work for me.)
Hope you can describe more what needs to be done by the PHP code that you mentioned.
Posted: Sun 10 Jul 2011, 14:24
by darkcity
Thanks
Here's the idea, don't know how feasible it is - might require patching wikka
having a bar somewhere on the wiki page with lauguage links
[en] [fr] [de] [es] etc
click on a language other than english would append a something to the URL
from English-
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppyVersion
to
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppyVersion-fr
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppyVersion-de
from another language; minus the appended then add language code or none if english
if the page didn' t exist the wiki would prompt user to create it.
this way you can synchronize different language and make it obvious where language pages are missing.
Translation URL
Posted: Sat 16 Jul 2011, 06:09
by raffy
Perhaps
it should be placed on the page only when the translation is already available, because when a non-registered user clicks on a non-existent page, s/he will be instructed to register (and create that page). This has been confounding a lot of unregistered users.
Linking to a page in wikkawiki is automatic, so you can just write
PuppyVersionFr
or
PuppyVersionfr
and the link to that new page will be inserted automatically by wikkawiki (Note that using a punctuation like - or . does not help).
Posted: Sat 16 Jul 2011, 13:19
by darkcity
The idea is to help bilingual users identify which pages are needed and share info without having to structure the wiki themselves.
It would keep the different language wikis in the same structure - thus allowing easy transfer of information.
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The idea of linking to none existent pages is very import idea in wikis - it helps identify which pages need writing and encourages people to make new pages. The error message is wrong it should say -
the page you are linking to doesn't yet exist. Do you want to-
[(register and) create this page] or [continue reading current page]
error message
Posted: Sat 16 Jul 2011, 15:49
by raffy
darkcity wrote:The error message is wrong it should say -
the page you are linking to doesn't yet exist. Do you want to-
[(register and) create this page] or [continue reading current page]
Yes, right, I changed it to:
The page you tried to view does not yet exist in this Wiki. You may register and create this page or go back.
About Oui's language extension for dokuwiki, I've checked and it said that it works only for the 2009 version. I haven't used dokuwiki much. Let's hope that the said extension is now part of the newer versions.