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Posted: **Thu 29 May 2014, 06:32**

@Killapup, curious to know what the path is for you frugal files?

In the past, I have not seen issues with save-sessions being missed or disregarded on startup. in fact, what I have witnessed is that when multiple saves for a given distro is found, the system will show what it found waiting for a confirmation of which "save" to use.

And I have never witnessed the system saving to an alternate save session other than the one it originally booted from when shutting down. Thus, if it used a save-session in root at startup, it will continue to do so thru shutdown without ever changing its path.

I do not run frugal, but in my past tests, this has been my observations. If you are seeing something different from this , we need to look further to the root cause or for a change that is occurring in V5.7.

Hope this helps

Posted: **Thu 29 May 2014, 11:01**

Well, I did it

I think I cheated but it worked

I deleted the savefile in 5.7 and left the partition otherwise intact, then I installed 5.6 to another partition, made all the usual changes and made the savefile for it. I then copied this savefile to the 5.7 partition and voila

Now, the only issue is the shutdown problem...

So, I've tried to copy the rc.shutdown file from the 5.6 disk but when I open the .sfs it has to be installed or is read-only. How do I get around that one?? Is there any other way to get a shutdown file, does it have to be a slacko rc file??

Thanks,
Ray

Posted: **Fri 30 May 2014, 06:04**

killapup,

Good you are making some progress, but you should not have to do this to get a working save file.

Just because some hardware can have problems with the pae version of Slacko 5.7.
(it is only needed if you have 4GB or more of ram).

Could you make sure you are using the no-pae version.
http://ftp.nluug.nl/ftp/pub/os/Linux/di ... NO-pae.iso

Posted: **Fri 30 May 2014, 11:13**

bigpup wrote: Could you make sure you are using the no-pae version.
http://ftp.nluug.nl/ftp/pub/os/Linux/di ... NO-pae.iso

Thanks bigpup, no, with the no-pae version I get no wifi whatsoever and it still has the shutdown issue. I tried a second download of the no-pae version and it was exactly the same as the first one. Of course, I could have gotten 2 bad downloads, I'm pretty sure I used 2 different mirrors for both downloads. But on your suggestion, I'll download from the link provided and see how it goes.

Like I've said, this is completely unlike any of the Slackos I've used before and I've been using Slacko since 5.3

Thanks again, bigpup,
Ray

Posted: **Fri 30 May 2014, 13:59**

Hey bigpup,

I just tried the downloaded iso from the link you gave and there's no joy there, exactly the same result as all the others.

I'll stick with the pae version for now and hopefully I can overcome the shutdown issue, anyone have any ideas??

Ray

Posted: **Sat 31 May 2014, 07:23**

G'day all,

Well, I did it again, it might be a cheat (once again) but it worked. I have been trying to find a way to put the rc.shutdown from 5.6 into 5.7 but because it is read-only when viewing the contents of the .sfs, I haven't been able to do it yet.

But, in all of that investigating, I thought, why not install the 5.6.sfs?? So I did, and, while it may not be the most elegant solution, it works as a workaround. Of course, I have 2 sets of icons in the right-hand end of the tray but at least it shuts down as it should.

I think I'll redo my signature to include Slacko again

Ray

Posted: **Sat 31 May 2014, 23:45**

A visual bug. On older versions Frisbee changes it's own icon to a phone when i use Pupdial. On 5.7 the net icon doesn't show any info about data used (and here mobile internet is expensive

)

Fortunately, is not an issue that i will see often.

Posted: **Tue 03 Jun 2014, 04:32**

Thanks for Slacko-5.7, nice job.

Spent a few hours customizing 5.7-no-pae and removing built in apps, loaded the devx and all the apps reappear. The whiteout files are being deleted from /initrd/pup_rw. Didn't seem to effect any other changes. Luckily I had made savefile backups.

Edit: Loading GIMP does the same thing. Maybe it's the latest SFS-load-on-the-fly that is causing this?

Edit2: The same thing happens in X-slacko and X-precise, both were updated to the latest SFS-load. It also happens on unload. I'll post in that thread.

Posted: **Sun 15 Jun 2014, 19:28**

first, i have to ask: what happened to the slacko-homepage? i couldnt reach it today. fault of my provider?
edit: found the answer, thx and good luck in solving that...

second, i had a problem reaching the chrome webstore for addons, getting some demand for a browser update. i found a thread in puppylinux.info forum, where a link was posted to ubuntu forum, where i read the solution: starting chrome with the flag --enable-extensions worked, also for me.
since im starting chrome per script, easy solution, very happy Smile
i hope, its something new or even helpful, maybe.
(using slacko 5.7 with chrome 35

cheers

Posted: **Sun 15 Jun 2014, 22:04**

I had a helluva time getting my video card (radeon 65xx series), touchpad (synaptics) and Xorg to play nicely together, The autoconfigure option kept trying to have 3 screens and use a different one on each video driver, but I didn't have any external monitor plugged in and the devices were really all the same. I finally edited my own and bypassed xwin/startx (just in case) by using:
X & sleep 2 && jwm -display :0
... Here is my xorg.conf that got me going

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Section "ServerLayout"
	Identifier     "X.org Configured"
	Screen      0  "Screen0" 0 0
	InputDevice    "Synaptics Mouse" "AlwaysCore" #serverlayoutsynaptics
	InputDevice    "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
	InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

Section "Files"
	ModulePath   "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/local"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/TTF"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/OTF"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/Type1"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/misc"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/CID"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/cyrillic"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc/"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/X11/fonts/Type1/"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/X11/fonts/TTF/"
EndSection

Section "Module"
	Load  "dbe"
	Load  "dri"
	Load  "dri2"
	Load  "extmod"
	Load  "glx"
	Load  "record"
	Load  "synaptics" #loadsynaptics
	SubSection  "extmod"
		Option    "omit xfree86-dga"   # don't initialise DGA extension
	EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier  "Keyboard0"
	Driver      "kbd"
	Option      "XkbRules" "xorg"
	Option      "XkbModel" "pc102" #xkbmodel0
	Option      "XkbLayout" "us" #xkeymap0
	#Option      "XkbVariant" "" #xkbvariant0
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier  "Mouse0"
	Driver      "mouse"
	Option	    "Protocol" "IMPS/2" #mouse0protocol
	Option	    "Device" "/dev/mouse"
	Option      "Emulate3Buttons"
	Option      "Emulate3Timeout" "50"
	Option      "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" #scrollwheel
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier "Synaptics Mouse"
	Driver "synaptics"
	Option "SHMConfig" "on"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
	Identifier "Screen0"
	Device     "Card0"
	Monitor    "Monitor0"
	SubSection "Display"
		Viewport   0 0
		Depth     1
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Viewport   0 0
		Depth     4
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Viewport   0 0
		Depth     8
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Viewport   0 0
		Depth     15
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Viewport   0 0
		Depth     16
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Viewport   0 0
		Depth     24
	EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "ServerFlags"
    Option "RandR" "on"
    Option "AutoAddDevices" "false"
    Option "DontZap" "false"
EndSection


Section "Monitor"
	Identifier   "Monitor0"
	VendorName   "Monitor Vendor"
	ModelName    "Monitor Model"
	HorizSync    35-81
	VertRefresh  59-76
	#UseModes     "Modes0" #monitor0usemodes
	Option      "PreferredMode" "1366x768" #monitor0prefmode
EndSection

	
Section "Modes"
	Identifier "Modes0"
	#modes0modeline0
EndSection

Section "Device"
	Identifier  "Card0"
	Driver      "modesetting"
	BusID       "PCI:0:1:0"
EndSection

Section "Device"
	Identifier  "Card1"
	Driver      "radeon"
	BusID       "PCI:0:1:0"
EndSection

Section "Device"
	Identifier  "Card2"
	Driver      "vesa"
	BusID       "PCI:0:1:0"
EndSection

Posted: **Tue 17 Jun 2014, 07:49**

Hey techno. Thanks for giving Slacko a spin.

Do you have any idea why it was trying to load 3 xorg drivers at once? BK's new xorgwizard no help? I think it tries to be a bit too much "one size fits all", however in saying that there it's what we have at the moment and probably won't get a lot of improvement in the next iteration.

After that though, we are thinking of using the FatDog style xinit scripts, but that might leave some older machines behind. We'll see.

--------------------------------

canin .. sorry my site was down over the weekend. It's back up now but there is still an issue with sub-domains. You can reach it at 01micko.com/slacko57

EDIT: well.. what do I know? The sub-domains are working now! (just got email from my host).

Posted: **Tue 17 Jun 2014, 11:41**

I have a laptop with radeon graphics, external monitor port and modeswitching was getting its own device and vesa was listed too. ... Audio was a pain too because my actual sound device is device 1 instead of 0. I had been using akita with no problems and miss some of scottman's tweaks and tools.

I would recommend an xvesa fallback. We are maintaining it on github as tinyxserver (only xvesa and xfbdev, though now I may dig up the Radeon one and add my device ID) goingnuts even made a multicall binary of xinit, xvesa, jwm &rxvt static built in <1mb which is nice if for instance libc or libX11 or 1 of its deps breaks... you could still get a working desktop with terminal assuming busybox is built static too.

I was hoping more people would be taking advantage of my simple icon tray by now to eliminate some of the heavy running background processes, but I guess I'll have to write a unified tray app with it, but I want it to be public domain so it may take a bit since I can't just port the existing applications (unless the devs release their code)

I've been playing with various tiny public domain decoders lately mp3, mp2 and ogg-vorbis. The players will be released to public domain soon... each <50kb static. I am hoping to get them under 32k to fit in most caches eventually.

Posted: **Tue 17 Jun 2014, 15:57**

Hmmm. Coming from a Biker with a GED, with a
Compaq CQ-57 running Slack0 5.7 .exe inside of Windows 7,
So if I report this wrong. Just ignore me, No biggy.

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# inxi -Fxz
System:    Host: biker Kernel: 3.10.32 i686 (32 bit gcc: 4.7.1) 
           Desktop: JWM git-905 
           Distro: Slacko Puppy Linux Linux 3.10.32 [ arch] 
Machine:   System: Hewlett-Packard (portable) product: Presario CQ57 Notebook PC v: 068C110003204910000620100
           Mobo: Hewlett-Packard model: 3577 v: 24.48
           Bios: Hewlett-Packard v: F.42 date: 11/07/2011
CPU:       Dual core AMD C-50 (-MCP-) cache: 1024 KB
           flags: (lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4a ssse3 svm) bmips: 3993 
           Clock Speeds: 1: 1000 MHz 2: 1000 MHz
Graphics:  Card: ATI Device 9804 bus-ID: 00:01.0
           Display Server: X.org 1.12.4 drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: vesa)
           tty size: 80x24 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Audio:     Card ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) 
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:14.2 
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k3.10.32
Network:   Card-1: Ralink Device 5390
           driver: rt2800pci v: 2.3.0 bus-ID: 07:00.0
           IF: wlan0 state: up speed: N/A duplex: N/A mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Realtek RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller
           driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: 2000 bus-ID: 06:00.0
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 250.1GB (23.8% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: WDC_WD2500BEVT size: 250.1GB
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 61.4C mobo: N/A gpu: 62.0 
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A 
Info:      Processes: 98 Uptime: 2:37 Memory: 285.4/1623.5MB 
           Init: SysVinit runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 4.7.1 
           Client: Shell (bash 4.1.01) inxi: 2.1.28

I installed moc
from PPM, updated PPM 1st. Salix repo moc verrsion.

It works. But. I start getting a freeze up of sorts. The cpu spikes in htop
to 100%. But. Only in split second pulsating intervals. I tried like hell to get
a screenshot showing the spike but missed it and then the freeze makes it hard to start all over again from scratch. I use Cntrl+Alt+Backspace
to restart JWM with xwin. mocp stays playing of course. But then I can use
Shift+q key to quit moc session in terminal.

Not sure if this is a moc inside of a Windows 7 issue. I say this because
a frugal or full Slack0 install never gave this problem. Only on the .exe
install I am running.

I'll maybe move on to using cmus instead on this unit. Just info report more than a "help me".

My screenys First one is moc not running/started yet. Second is moc running but I fail to show the cpu pulsating 100% spike in the shot (it is quick). Third is mocp running streaming radio station (which is what I usually use for lightweight streaming player)

Happy Trailz, Rok

Posted: **Tue 17 Jun 2014, 18:41**

technosaurus wrote: I was hoping more people would be taking advantage of my simple icon tray by now to eliminate some of the heavy running background processes...

Interesting... when having a play with Slacko 5.7 a few weeks ago (one danged sweet Pup!), one thing I did notice was a slightly higher idling CPU use compared to some other Pups & distros - maybe ~5-7%, IIRC. In further playing, I installed LxPanel from the PPM, and noticed the icon tray (Freemapplet - Retrovol??) had not loaded to the new LxPanel... and CPU use @ idle had dropped to basically nil... 0-1%. Seems there indeed may be some room for improvement in regards to the tray's resource usage.

Bob

Posted: **Wed 18 Jun 2014, 05:41**

Iso-booting remastered with TedDog's ram2sfs. Just perfect for me No More popup windows asking for save the file at shutdown.
A little guide to Personalise Banksypup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mecZm9BrL00

Posted: **Wed 16 Jul 2014, 08:17**

Not sure if this has been posted before, too many pages to go through. The resize personal storage script is showing save file size as much smaller than it really is, smaller than free space even. Screen shot is for a 512mb save file.

Edit: This seems to work

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ACTUALSIZK=`du -b $HOMELOCATION | awk '{print $1}'` #total size of ${DISTRO_FILE_PREFIX}save.3fs
if [ ! $ACTUALSIZK ];then
   ACTUALSIZK=`cat /etc/rc.d/pupsave.conf | grep SIZEPFILE | awk -F'=' '{print $2}' `    
   ACTUALSIZK=`expr $ACTUALSIZK \* 1024`
fi
ACTUALSIZE=`expr $ACTUALSIZK \/ 1024 \/ 1024`

Edit2: If du fails and it uses pupsave.conf then it also fails after a resize as this doesn't get updated

Edit3: This updates pupsave.conf after a resize which should be updated regardless.

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case ${EXIT} in
  save)KILOBIG=$(($KILOBIG * 1024))
	echo "KILOBIG=$KILOBIG" > /initrd${PUP_HOME}/pupsaveresizenew.txt
	echo "PUPSAVEFILEX=$SAVEFILE" >> /initrd${PUP_HOME}/pupsaveresizenew.txt #131231
	OLDSAVE=`cat /etc/rc.d/pupsave.conf | grep SIZEPFILE | awk -F'=' '{print $2}' `
	NEWSAVE=$(( $KILOBIG + $OLDSAVE ))
	sed -i s'/SIZEPFILE='$OLDSAVE'/SIZEPFILE='$NEWSAVE'/' /etc/rc.d/pupsave.conf
   ;;
   *)
    exit
   ;;
esac

Posted: **Thu 17 Jul 2014, 12:02**

Hey Rg66

Confirmed. I think it has something to do with sparse files.

I see you've already found a solution, but might want to test also this one:

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--- /initrd/pup_ro2/usr/sbin/resizepfile.sh	2014-01-06 21:02:31.000000000 +0100
+++ /usr/sbin/resizepfile.sh	2014-07-17 13:50:25.156486816 +0200
@@ -49,11 +49,8 @@
 
 HOMELOCATION="/initrd${PUP_HOME}${SAVEFILE}"
 SIZEFREE=`df -m | grep "$PERSISTMNTPT" | tr -s " " | cut -f 4 -d " "` #free space in ${DISTRO_FILE_PREFIX}save.3fs
-ACTUALSIZK=`ls -sk $HOMELOCATION | tr -s " " | cut -f 1 -d " "` #total size of ${DISTRO_FILE_PREFIX}save.3fs
-if [ ! $ACTUALSIZK ];then
- ACTUALSIZK=`ls -sk $HOMELOCATION | tr -s " " | cut -f 2 -d " "`
-fi
-ACTUALSIZE=`expr $ACTUALSIZK \/ 1024`
+ACTUALSIZK=`stat -c %s $HOMELOCATION` #total size of ${DISTRO_FILE_PREFIX}save.3fs
+ACTUALSIZE=`expr $ACTUALSIZK \/ 1024 \/ 1024`
 APATTERN="/dev/${SAVEPART} "
 PARTSIZE=`df -m | grep "$APATTERN" | tr -s " " | cut -f 2 -d " "`
 PARTFREE=`df -m | grep "$APATTERN" | tr -s " " | cut -f 4 -d " "`

Greetings!

Posted: **Thu 17 Jul 2014, 13:39**

@SFR

That works, thanks. Stat -c and du -b give the same results so if there needs to be a fallback as the original had, I guess those two would do the job especially since ACTUALSIZE division is the same for both. Pupsave.conf is unreliable as pupsaveconfig sometimes overwrites the savesize info. I still think pupsave.conf should be updated after a resize though.

Posted: **Fri 18 Jul 2014, 08:28**

technosaurus wrote:I was hoping more people would be taking advantage of my simple icon tray by now to eliminate some of the heavy running background processes,

Think I've found the right link here

Posted: **Mon 21 Jul 2014, 01:22**

Does anyone know where I can find the source for kernel 3.10.32?

The SFS manager in Slacko 5.7.0 lists the source code as an .sfs twice, but in both cases the result is "404, file not found" and "link broken".

Thank you.

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