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Posted: Wed 01 Aug 2012, 17:51
by sheldonisaac
Sylvander wrote:playdayz wrote:we have had along and fruitful run but IMHO you should stick with Slacko and begin to customize it to your liking and make suggestions about its future development, software you want, and puplets based on it.
I think that's what I'll do.
I really liked using Lupu, but hey-ho, that's how it goes I guess.
"Onward and upward!"
My needs/wants are simple.
214X on this older computer, Lucid Puppy 5.2.8-005 on others.
That should last the rest of my life.
Posted: Wed 01 Aug 2012, 20:53
by playdayz
214X on this older computer, Lucid Puppy 5.2.8-005 on others.
That should last the rest of my life.
On the same computer it should I agree. Sylvander got a new computer and Lucid did not work, so no help but go on to Slacko. Wishing you a long life--so I can see Lucid still used in 2050
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Google Chrome 21 for Lucid
http://diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy500/Googl ... -Lucid.pet
Flashplayer is built-in so no need to install it.
Posted: Fri 03 Aug 2012, 08:12
by James C
New full install of Lupu Libre 528.005 on my Mageia 2 machine. Zero problems.
sh-4.1# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Lucid , version 528
Chip description:
oem: NVIDIA
product: MCP61 - mcp61-86 Chip Rev
Driver used by Xorg:
nvidia
Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: Depth 24 Depth: "Display"
...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
sh-4.1# glxgears
10190 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2038.000 FPS
10978 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2195.600 FPS
10979 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2195.800 FPS
10988 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2197.600 FPS
10976 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2195.200 FPS
-Computer-
Processor : 2x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+
Memory : 3375MB (220MB used)
Operating System : Unknown distribution
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Fri 03 Aug 2012 03:13:27 AM CDT
-Display-
Resolution : 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Unknown
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
sh-4.1# free
total used free shared buffers
Mem: 3375292 359196 3016096 0 45556
Swap: 4300792 0 4300792
Total: 7676084 359196 7316888
sh-4.1#
Still gets the job done.......
Posted: Fri 03 Aug 2012, 08:55
by Lobster
Oh yeah. Awesome. Thanks Larry!
. . . wait a minute I am a Slacko user . . .
. . . only joshing
I was very impressed with Chrome first on Jemima's Puppeee
and then on various Raspberry Pi implementations.
There was some new fangled
only on Chrome option I wanted to try . . . can not remember what.
Anyway security enhancements, so tin hats should be happy
Posted: Fri 03 Aug 2012, 14:00
by playdayz
Google Chrome 21 for Lucid
Oh yeah. Awesome. Thanks Larry!
. . . wait a minute I am a Slacko user . . .
Version for Slacko too ->
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=80019
Posted: Sat 04 Aug 2012, 14:52
by ICPUG
Regarding the working of Lupu with recently MANUFACTURED PCs.
I think we found at the very beginning of the introduction of Intel I-core generation 2 PCs (Sandy Bridge?) that Lupu does not boot with the inbuilt Intel graphics. I seem to remember at the time that I said I was OK cos my latest PC is I-core generation 1!
It would seem from what is said here that I-core V2 with a separate Nvidia graphics card is OK, so it is just the all Intel case that is a problem.
I still love Lupu and will use it as long as I can where I can. I recently trialled Slacko 5.3.3 on my more ancient Laptop and was disappointed to find that the settings for the touchpad are still not set up to be as easy to get a touchpad working as it is in Lupu. I reported the problem and solution in earlier versions - easy to solve - nothing done.
Which computers do/don't work with LuPu
Posted: Sat 04 Aug 2012, 15:26
by sheldonisaac
Good morning, ICPUG.
ICPUG wrote:
(some snipping)
It would seem from what is said here that I-core V2 with a separate Nvidia graphics card is OK, so it is just the all Intel case that is a problem.
Hm, I will try to find out what my newer computers use.
I think the oldest may be the Dell Latitude D610 laptop - it has some kind of on-board Intel graphics. Oh, just remembered; it has a Centrino? processor?
And also the Dell 8300 desktop may have built-in Intel graphics; not sure at the moment whether I have a separate graphics card in it.
The Acer Aspire One netbook from a few years ago has an Atom N270 processor, and Intel graphics.
Lucid Puppy 5.2.8 works all all of them.
Posted: Sat 04 Aug 2012, 16:15
by Sylvander
Here's my new PC with the ASRock H61M-S mobo on which lupu-528.005 won't load.
It does indeed have a Sandybridge processor with "Integrated Intel HD Graphics".
Posted: Sat 04 Aug 2012, 19:45
by bigpup
I wonder what would happen if you tried to boot with option puppy pfix=nox.
Run Xorgwizard to use the Vesa graphics driver.
I am not 100% positive, but I think the big problem with the Intel graphics, built into the processor, is just a needed Linux driver that supports it.
Could also be an issue with the Linux kernel support.
I can say for sure, that a Intel i7 2600K Sandy Bridge, will run Lucid 528.005, if you
do not use the processor on chip graphics, but use a separate graphics card.
I have not tried to do it using the on processor graphics, but it seems to be industry standard to support Vesa standards, with any graphics chip.
Seems to me, logic would say, the on processor graphics would support Vesa? What driver runs the graphics before X-server starts?
Posted: Sat 04 Aug 2012, 20:32
by majorfoo
bigpup wrote:
I wonder what would happen if you tried to boot with option puppy pfix=nox.
Run Xorgwizard to use the Vesa graphics driver.
I
I had a similar problem trying to boot fatdog64-
Hp dm4-2070 laptop
Intel i5-2410m processor
Intergrated Intel HD Graphics 3000 w/1696mb shared memory
Jamesbond told me to try booting with using nomodeset This worked great. Booted straight to desktop
Don't if this would help in your situation but worth a try
option puppy pfix=nomodeset
Posted: Sat 04 Aug 2012, 20:50
by bigpup
majorfoo
Location: Wish I knew
I know that place. It is next to where you tell your wife you have been for the last 2 hours. Nowhere
Posted: Sat 04 Aug 2012, 21:02
by James C
Just using one of my old test boxes ...... full install of Lucid with a whole 128 mb of ram.Actually pretty usable.
-Computer-
Processor : Celeron (Mendocino)
Memory : 124MB (78MB used)
Operating System : Unknown distribution
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Sat 04 Aug 2012 02:46:33 PM CDT
-Display-
Resolution : 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Mesa DRI i810E 20050821 x86/MMX
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : ICH - Intel 82801AA-ICH
-Processor-
Name : Celeron (Mendocino)
Family, model, stepping : 6, 6, 5 (Pentium II/Pentium II Xeon/Celeron)
Vendor : Intel
-Configuration-
Cache Size : 128kb
Frequency : 498.29MHz
BogoMIPS : 996.57
Byte Order : Little Endian
-Version-
Kernel : Linux 2.6.33.2 (i686)
Compiled : #1 SMP Thu May 27 10:56:32 EST 2010
Posted: Sat 04 Aug 2012, 21:05
by majorfoo
bigpup wrote:majorfoo
Location: Wish I knew
I know that place. It is next to where you tell your wife you have been for the last 2 hours. Nowhere
The location is where I go to do nothing.
The only problem with doing nothing is that I never know when I am finished.
Posted: Sat 04 Aug 2012, 21:29
by Sylvander
To bigpup and majorfoo:
Tried both commands:
puppy pfix=nomodeset
And...
puppy pfix=nox
Both produced the identical result, which was...
The sfs file could not be found, so loading halted.
Posted: Sun 05 Aug 2012, 04:35
by bigpup
Sylvander wrote:To bigpup and majorfoo:
Tried both commands:
puppy pfix=nomodeset
And...
puppy pfix=nox
Both produced the identical result, which was...
The sfs file could not be found, so loading halted.
Thanks for trying.
This old Puppy may just not want to play with your new toys.
If you want to keep trying.
Saw a post talking about similar issue and it suggested, may be issue with support for your CD/DVD drive. It suggested boot with a USB flash drive install of Lucid.
Or do this suggested by rcrsn51:
1. Get a flash drive and copy the core Puppy files from the CD to the drive.
2. Boot off the CD with the flash drive plugged in.
3. At the short initial pause, type
May still need to use other boot options suggested.
Posted: Sun 05 Aug 2012, 09:34
by Sylvander
SUCCESS!
...Of sorts.
1. I'm posting this from lupu-528.005 [a version with pmedia=ataflash applied in the ISO].
2. Was too slow/inattentive to apply pmedia=usbflash, and...
It booted straight into the desktop.
So...
3. I copied a stored lupusave.3fs file to sit beside all the others on the Flash Drive...
Then...
Rebooted.
And...
4. Got my old familiar desktop and environment.
5. Odd thing though...
Only the filesystem, on the FAT32 partition, on the USB Flash Drive, shows on the desktop.
i.e. NONE of the filesystems on the internal SATA HDD, nor the CD-RW disk in the SATA DVD-RW drive.
Any idea why?
Pmount also sees/shows only the USB Flash Drive partition->filesystem.
Same with GParted.
Posted: Sun 05 Aug 2012, 12:01
by Brown Mouse
Sylvander
I may be wrong but I just wonder if some of your current booting problems could have something to do with your Motherboard using UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface).
Worth reading up on and something that could cause future problems for Linux users.
Posted: Sun 05 Aug 2012, 17:01
by bigpup
Sylvander wrote:
5. Odd thing though...
Only the filesystem, on the FAT32 partition, on the USB Flash Drive, shows on the desktop.
i.e. NONE of the filesystems on the internal SATA HDD, nor the CD-RW disk in the SATA DVD-RW drive.
Any idea why?
Pmount also sees/shows only the USB Flash Drive partition->filesystem.
Same with GParted.
Could try this, but not sure why or if it would work. Not sure why you would need to.
If you open the preferences tab in pmount
tick the box:
tick box to use mut
Posted: Sun 05 Aug 2012, 22:28
by Sylvander
bigpup wrote:If you open the preferences tab in pmount
tick the box:
tick box to use mut
Did that, but it made no difference.
Tried saving the change, and rebooted, but still no difference.
The change was remaining in place OK.
I eventually put it back the way it had been originally.
By-the-way...
I notice that when I click "Menu->Filesystem->Pmount", a yellow dialog flashes for a fraction of a second, then the Pmount dialog appears [not added on top, but instead].
Thanks for your help, it's appreciated.
Posted: Mon 06 Aug 2012, 00:30
by bigpup
I click "Menu->Filesystem->Pmount", a yellow dialog flashes for a fraction of a second, then the Pmount dialog appears
That yellow dialog is normal.
please wait probing hardware.
(on a slow computer you can read it)
Maybe Three headed Dog would work better. It has a newer kernel.
Still Lucid 528.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=70736
Not sure if an old save file from normal Lucid 528 would work OK with Three Headed Dog, but I think I remember someone doing it and it worked.