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I'm holding back right now

We clearly have different ideas of restraint, civility and the shared notion of turning the head to expose the other cheek.

How would you feel if Zigbert addressed you in this way - whether true or not? Christian? An example?

You make me very sad at times Ttuuxxx . . .
Maybe I need to drink more beer?

I tried iceWM once and did not care for it. I installed it and it changed a lot of "default" settings I had. When I deleted it, I had to manually change a lot of files that it changed. I hated it for that and will never use it again. That's my choice.
@ ttuuxxx, why do you always feel the need to remind us how many hours and how much time you put into your projects. Why do we need to know?
You have done many things to improve puppy and I am sure it is appreciated by many (including myself) but why does it seem like you're making this a competition?
If you make something and put it out there, fine. But if someone does not like it or agree with it, fine also. Don't be so defensive.

My opinion for puppy:
KISS - Keep it Small + Simple. (like my Corgi's)

hey mick

did you know that if you removed say all the extra themes in my icewm and only included the 'Elegance' theme the total package size is 615kb which also includes/replaces in the default puppy

blinky
free memory applet
new shutdown menu plus icons
parcellite
new refresh menus
absvolume
of course icewm

so when you look at what you get for a 615kb pet package, I really don't think there is much bloat in that.

really if we removed what the Icewm package is providing like
JWM
JWM version of free memory applet
JWM version of blinky
JWM version of absvolume
Glipper

Then we would be getting rid of the doubles/ bloat and probably save around 200-300kb
depending how deep you remove.
ttuuxxx

Lobster & Trapster

first lobster, when I made those comments, thats because I actually had a good nights sleep for once, I got up and logged in and found 2 new pages on this thread, Keep in mind I went to bed happy that finally I managed to make WhoDo and pizzasgood happy and I figured all is well now.

Then i read Zigberts comments and about 1.5 pages later no positive response about IceWm was made. Well lets just say yes I was very upset. I think if you put as much effort into something like I did with that package you would be upset also.

Trapster
I remind people how much effort/time I put into puppy because my wife gets on my case all the time about the hours I put into this project.
Like when comments were placed about the default title bar, well I spent 21.5hrs in one day working on it until it was perfect again, I always thought the default one was great to start with but I aim to please. Wouldn't you be proud about that? plus all the wifes crap that came along with it. Things on here just don't happen in a blink of the eye when you read/download it, It takes time and effort, Both I give by choice. So if all you have to do is read what it actually took, your the lucky one
ttuuxxx

while we wait for the bbq&bir to settle, then on to a4 .. - personally I like blackbox and afterstep but ..
did someone say screenies?

http://img18.picoodle.com/img/img18/3/2 ... 145f63.png
http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/3/2 ... 41eddf.png
http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/3/2 ... c1c2aa.png
http://img19.picoodle.com/img/img19/3/2 ... 77f504.png

saving is good but spending . . . ahhhhh

straypup wrote:The requested info is as follows
Vendor=Obda ProductID=8189 Rev=2.00 Manufacturer=Realtek Product=RTL8187B WLAN Adapter

Well that device ID is not recognised by the standard "rtl8187" kernel module in Puppy 4.1.x, but it is recognised by the proprietary "r8187" module that I contributed two months ago here -
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 339#252339

alex12 wrote:my dongle, also rtl8187b, returns

Code: Select all

Vendor=050d ProdID=705e

That device ID is not recognised by either the standard or proprietary module. Obviously, that's a problem.
So I did some Googling, and found a list of additional RTL8187B devices which need to be recognised -
http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/RTL8180.html

I have now updated the proprietary r8187 wifi driver to recognise these additional device ID's.

No offense intended to anyone debating the relative merits of JWM and Icewm BUT this is supposed to be an Alpha3 bugs & fixes thread.

@ttuuxxx - Chill, Jeff, ok? I already responded to Sigmund's post way back when. He wasn't shooting at you, just trying to balance the ledger for the JWM devotees; that's all. Hey I now LIKE the bubbly title bar - it grows on you after a while. It's just probably a little too "different" for a default look is all. Like fine wine and strong cheese, some of your designs are an acquired taste.

@trapster - It may be time to try Icewm again - never is an awful long time. I had the same bad experience as you with an early Icewm. It wasn't the wm's fault, just the way it was packaged to produce the preferred effect. ttuuxxx's latest minimal version doesn't change any defaults and is easily removed.

Better still, give it a whirl in Alpha4 - especially that Ctrl+Alt+Space feature to get a command line in the task bar, and Ctrl+Alt+Del to get shutdown/reboot options etc. I'm still learning about this amazing little WM. JWM2.0 also raised its standards, and if it was being maintained as rigorously as it deserves, would be right up there too for functionality. Just my $AUD0.02c worth.

@Lobster - don't know what happened to the email, Ed, but I didn't get it. I haven't yet included the modified initrd.gz in Puppy-4.2 because I wanted to get all the packages stable first. If someone who knows would like to PM me with instructions to modify the initrd directly, I'll make the changes in my Unleashed tree for this release. Better be quick though. I'm getting an itchy trigger finger!

@Zigbert - I think we understand each other fairly well. Believe me when I say that you are not the cause of the brouhaha. You can't blame a bright spark for every inferno (very topical given the current situation down here - 35 dead and still counting). Sometimes bad stuff just happens.

Guys, I'm not GOD, a God, God-like or even a demi-god like Barry. All the same I now know just what it feels like to watch my "children" fighting among themselves when they could achieve so much more by cooperating (notice I didn't say "agreeing"). Please, can we just concentrate on making Puppy-4.2 "DeepThought" the best darn standard Puppy release ever? It goes without saying that I love you all regardless of who you are and how you behave but sometimes its really hard, you know?

Mmmmm cheese.... I got a gift card for Christmas that I haven't gotten around to using yet. Maybe tomorrow I'll see if I can find a store within walking distance and get me some queso. We're having really nice weather lately, and I could use a good walk.

Like when comments were placed about the default title bar, well I spent 21.5hrs in one day working on it until it was perfect again

Tell your wife sorry for me. Yeah, I didn't like the old one much. But not 21.5 hours worth! The new one does look better though.

WhoDo wrote: @Lobster - don't know what happened to the email, Ed, but I didn't get it.

it was a pm - here is the link again and you did mention that you would add it to alpha 4 also in a pm - not email - my mistake

here is a possible SFS solution . . .
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 534#272534

WhoDo wrote:

@trapster - It may be time to try Icewm again - never is an awful long time. I had the same bad experience as you with an early Icewm. It wasn't the wm's fault, just the way it was packaged to produce the preferred effect. ttuuxxx's latest minimal version doesn't change any defaults and is easily removed.

That is true, it was an earlier package that ttuuxxx did not make but it did leave a bad taste. I should (one of these days) try ttuuxx's version to see what all the fuss is about.

@ ttuuxxx -

I remind people how much effort/time I put into puppy because my wife gets on my case all the time about the hours I put into this project. Wink
Like when comments were placed about the default title bar, well I spent 21.5hrs in one day working on it until it was perfect again

Your perseverance is admirable!
(just don't neglet the wife too much )

Issue with top Ptray menu still to be resolved. Missing icons in drop down.

I altered the .jwmrc-tray-top for correct location of icons. All was well.

Then I tried the new Ptray. It does not start off with the correct icons in line and if clicked will blank the top bar again and revert to missing icons.

It replaces default .jwmrc-tray-top.

When you close pmusic and its playing a song, it continues to keep playing and when its finished it still doesn't exit, if you check it with pprocess its still active, this needs to be fixed or replaced.
ttuuxxx

This is a feature of pmusic.

Open pmusic again and stop playing.

Tom

Tom Raft wrote:This is a feature of pmusic.

Open pmusic again and stop playing.

Tom

well it should work like that by default, you shouldn't have to manually kill it with pprocess, or reopen it a second time to kill it, it should be killed when you close it down. and if you want that feature it should be part of the menu.
ttuuxxx

trapster wrote:I should (one of these days) try ttuuxx's version [of IceWM] to see what all the fuss is about.

To get a full idea of what the fuss is about, you should also take a look at the IceWM Themes Exchange: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=20702.

Took your advice and checked out icewm themes. Quite nice.

However when I switched back to jwm I discovered a bug.

/.etc/windowmanager is not updated to jwm. So after a reboot it starts everytime in icewm.

$CURRENTWM stays as icewm

tasmod wrote:/.etc/windowmanager is not updated to jwm. So after a reboot it starts everytime in icewm.

Yep. Fixed in latest release. See p1 of this thread for v5 of Icewm by ttuuxxx.

Ah, sorry missed that.

Alpha4 is here

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=38511

Eric

tempestuous-Thank you for the help. Tried to install both listed modules (one at a time) but couldn't get them working (probably my missing something or not following the right procedures (remember I learn by Mistake) D/L again and now have working ndis (bad burn I guess) On line with a3 now. Something tells me you will beat this 8187 problem that seems to hang over ALL versions of linux. Again thanks..guess ndis will continue to serve me as it has since 2.13 when I discovered Puppy